Lake Meade original water intake valve is visible for the first time since 1971

Too many people living in the desert ... we'll be running out of drinking water long before the globe warms ...

A sobering read is "Cadillac Desert". It's a history of the SW's politics and dealings related to water. You're 100% right that there's too many people living in that part of the US to be sustainable in terms of water. And we've known that for decades now.

Climate change will only hasten the real problems that are going to show up.
 
Keep letting more and more illegals into Nevada and Southern CA and we'll see, won't we?
You, uh.., think the illegals are changing the climate? Really? Well, that's one I hadn't heard before.
 
A sobering read is "Cadillac Desert". It's a history of the SW's politics and dealings related to water. You're 100% right that there's too many people living in that part of the US to be sustainable in terms of water. And we've known that for decades now.

Climate change will only hasten the real problems that are going to show up.

Climate isn't changing along the desert belt ... it will be sunny and warm almost all the time ... some people like that kind of weather ...
 
Climate isn't changing along the desert belt ... it will be sunny and warm almost all the time ... some people like that kind of weather ...

Climate change will impact the desert SW as well.

It is possible that the various multi-year droughts that are currently happening there are a sign of this. The decreased snowfall in the Sierras may very well become a more common effect and the impact to America's agriculture will be devastating given how much of it we've put in the Central Valley. They are already overpumping their wells because surface water is getting scarce. Once those aquifers are depleted they will be effectively gone forever (the recharge rates on those aquifers are in the thousands of years and some may be collapsed and unable to be recharged).
 
California has historically had droughts. The land in the central valley is basically desert that is irrigated from the far northern part of the State via a federal water plan that includes a canal and a system of man made lakes. The system is becoming incapable because of population increases over the years and increased agriculture. It’s time to build desalinization plants and pipe the water over to the central valley instead of building a useless rail system.
 
California has historically had droughts. The land in the central valley is basically desert that is irrigated from the far northern part of the State via a federal water plan that includes a canal and a system of man made lakes. The system is becoming incapable because of population increases over the years and increased agriculture. It’s time to build desalinization plants and pipe the water over to the central valley instead of building a useless rail system.

Climate change is also going to have an impact on the Central Valley. Climate change may already be changing precipitation patterns in the Sierra's which supplies the surface water for the Central Valley.

The idea of desalination plants sounds good but they just shuttered San Onofre a couple years back. One of the "dreams" was to use the electricity generated by San Onofre to run desal plants as I recall.
 
Keep letting more and more illegals into Nevada and Southern CA and we'll see, won't we?
I get both arguements. Many good points on both sides.

But hopefully someone is working on a solution & what will happen when Mead DOES run dry or too low to provide hydropower & drinking water to millions of people.

It ain't looking good for Mead so they better get moving.
 
Climate change will impact the desert SW as well.

It is possible that the various multi-year droughts that are currently happening there are a sign of this. The decreased snowfall in the Sierras may very well become a more common effect and the impact to America's agriculture will be devastating given how much of it we've put in the Central Valley. They are already overpumping their wells because surface water is getting scarce. Once those aquifers are depleted they will be effectively gone forever (the recharge rates on those aquifers are in the thousands of years and some may be collapsed and unable to be recharged).

If the desert climate changes ... it will change into something other than desert ... as noted, these areas have always been drought-prone ... it's a desert ...

decreased snowfall in the Sierras

Evidence please ... snowfall goes up and down, but total precipitation remains steady ... and rainwater stores just as easily as snowmelt ... what has changed is far more land under irrigation ... more land + same amount of water = water shortages ...

You're trying to blame carbon dioxide for what is really just mismanagement ... or greed ... I remember when The I-5 was finished running down th ewest sid eof the San Joaquin Valley .. that was all open prairie, not even fenced off yet ... travel that section today and it's farm after farm after thirsty farm ... too many people, not enough water ... that has nothing to do with climate ...
 
Climate change is also going to have an impact on the Central Valley. Climate change may already be changing precipitation patterns in the Sierra's which supplies the surface water for the Central Valley.

The idea of desalination plants sounds good but they just shuttered San Onofre a couple years back. One of the "dreams" was to use the electricity generated by San Onofre to run desal plants as I recall.

Which precipitation patterns are changing? ...
 
Climate change is also going to have an impact on the Central Valley. Climate change may already be changing precipitation patterns in the Sierra's which supplies the surface water for the Central Valley.

The idea of desalination plants sounds good but they just shuttered San Onofre a couple years back. One of the "dreams" was to use the electricity generated by San Onofre to run desal plants as I recall.
San Anofre was a nuclear facility. I am talking about desalinization plants off shore. Then build a closed aqueduct (pipe) to the Central Valley. They can use less water from Far Northern CA.
 
San Anofre was a nuclear facility. I am talking about desalinization plants off shore. Then build a closed aqueduct (pipe) to the Central Valley. They can use less water from Far Northern CA.

Expensive ... and what do we do with the extra salt? ... [giggle] ... dump it back into the ocean? ... what could possibly go wrong? ...
 
Expensive ... and what do we do with the extra salt? ... [giggle] ... dump it back into the ocean? ... what could possibly go wrong? ...
It's called brine.............and it should be deposited in salt mines if the volume is massive....

But all ships on the ocean.........dump it into the ocean..........WE HAVEN'T DIED FROM IT YET HAVE WE.,,,,,,
 
Expensive ... and what do we do with the extra salt? ... [giggle] ... dump it back into the ocean? ... what could possibly go wrong? ...
CA is already scheduled to spend 105 Billion on a useless bullet train that won't be needed when people move away because of drought. There are new processes that use ammonia and carbon dioxide on the waste brine to create baking soda and no brine. This would be most effective in seas largely enclosed like the Red and Mediterranean seas (where most desalinization plants exist). The Pacific ocean is not largely enclosed so the waste brine would have little effect but, that same process could be used.
 
It's called brine.............and it should be deposited in salt mines if the volume is massive....

But all ships on the ocean.........dump it into the ocean..........WE HAVEN'T DIED FROM IT YET HAVE WE.,,,,,,

Volume, my friend, volume ... think of just one golf course and compare that to a ship's usage ... plus the ship will be some place else tomorrow, the golf course in in the same place ...

We dumped spent nuclear fuel rods in the ocean ... no one's died yet ... is that your logic? ...
 
CA is already scheduled to spend 105 Billion on a useless bullet train that won't be needed when people move away because of drought. There are new processes that use ammonia and carbon dioxide on the waste brine to create baking soda and no brine. This would be most effective in seas largely enclosed like the Red and Mediterranean seas (where most desalinization plants exist). The Pacific ocean is not largely enclosed so the waste brine would have little effect but, that same process could be used.

Do you have a citation? ... isn't this new process more expensive? ... distilling water can be done with solar energy by the cup-full ... but we need water by the millions of acre-feet ...
 

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