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Lake Meade original water intake valve is visible for the first time since 1971
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While I do agree it is especially dumb to think we can change the climate, it is just as foolish to compare hydrocarbons to water.We pipe oil all over the nation... if we can do that we can pump water out west.... the dumb thing is thinking we have the power to change the climate....
Water is a critical, ecological resource, that maintains ecosystems. If you mess with it on a huge scale, you will dramatically alter ecosystems. If you are not aware of this, study what the environment of that area looked like before they built the Hoover Damn. Or, better yet, look into what happened when they built the Three Gorges Damn.
If you even try to take large amounts of water from Texas or the Mid-West, you will dramatically alter those ecosystems, just to try to stave off the inevitable in an area whose climate is changing because of population and economic stress on resource use, and a changing climate.
There is no such thing as a "hydrocarbon cycle," you either use them, or you don't. OTH, if you start moving large amounts of water around the planet? You are messing with the very forces of nature, and, like a wrote, destroying entire ecological niches. Deplete aquafers in one area of the nation? Farmers will suffer, and the planet may starve. Drain the Great Lakes basin, you may cause climat upset, weather change, a lower of lake levels, and tourism impacts in another part of the nation. . . . it all has ripple affects.
There have been laws passed in various places, that won't even allow what you have proposed. And when the Federal Government has tried to get involved, it has even gone to Federal Courts before, and has been held, that diversion of water destroys said ecosystems and unconstitutionally deprives citizens of their property values and rights.
GREAT LAKES—ST. LAWRENCE RIVER BASIN WATER RESOURCES
COMPACT
Great Lakes Compact - Wikipedia
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There are dams and reservoirs all over the world... we are part of the eco system too and if we need water for crops out west we need to make it happen not just sit back and complain and pass stupid laws that only make us poorer....While I do agree it is especially dumb to think we can change the climate, it is just as foolish to compare hydrocarbons to water.
Water is a critical, ecological resource, that maintains ecosystems. If you mess with it on a huge scale, you will dramatically alter ecosystems. If you are not aware of this, study what the environment of that area looked like before they built the Hoover Damn. Or, better yet, look into what happened when they built the Three Gorges Damn.
If you even try to take large amounts of water from Texas or the Mid-West, you will dramatically alter those ecosystems, just to try to stave off the inevitable in an area whose climate is changing because of population and economic stress on resource use, and a changing climate.
There is no such thing as a "hydrocarbon cycle," you either use them, or you don't. OTH, if you start moving large amounts of water around the planet? You are messing with the very forces of nature, and, like a wrote, destroying entire ecological niches. Deplete aquafers in one area of the nation? Farmers will suffer, and the planet may starve. Drain the Great Lakes basin, you may cause climat upset, weather change, a lower of lake levels, and tourism impacts in another part of the nation. . . . it all has ripple affects.
There have been laws passed in various places, that won't even allow what you have proposed. And when the Federal Government has tried to get involved, it has even gone to Federal Courts before, and has been held, that diversion of water destroys said ecosystems and unconstitutionally deprives citizens of their property values and rights.
GREAT LAKES—ST. LAWRENCE RIVER BASIN WATER RESOURCES
COMPACT
Great Lakes Compact - Wikipedia
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Texas gets so much water that they flood every summer... more retainment is a plus for Texas and CA and AZ....
Lakes reservoirs and pipelines..... It can be done... I don't think its a dumb idea at all....
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And there are dams and reservoirs all over California.There are dams and reservoirs all over the world... we are part of the eco system too and if we need water for crops out west we need to make it happen not just sit back and complain and pass stupid laws that only make us poorer....
Texas gets so much water that they flood every summer... more retainment is a plus for Texas and CA and AZ....
Lakes reservoirs and pipelines..... It can be done... I don't think its a dumb idea at all....
I see no reason to send water out to leftist, globalist politicians, when part of this disaster was engineered in the first place. THEY WANT to create a crisis. The billionaires in Cali are pawns of the WEF. I see no reason the rest of the nation should be held hostage to the idiocy of the California voter.
Let their industries die, I don't give a fuck. NOT MY PROBLEM. They have shit government, and keep putting up with it.
Facing Dry Year, CA State Water Board is Draining California Reservoirs
CA reservoirs were designed to provide a steady five year supply for all users, and were filled to the top in June 2019By Katy Grimes, May 21, 2021 2:20 am
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US faces fresh water shortages due to climate change, research says
Shortages will affect supplies for urban areas and agriculture, especially in the more arid southern states.
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There aren't enough... Very smart people have been calling for a doubling of reservoirs in CA for years.... To watch all the rain and snow melt flow into the ocean and not try to collect it is a sin....And there are dams and reservoirs all over California
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Climate Change Lockdowns?
Climate lockdowns? Poor paranoid little Trumpettes! :lol: Just like the oligarchs did with COVID? The same folks that prepared for the pandemic have already run the drills and the simulations. . . . SO? Don't be surprised when it is rolled out. :dunno: WATER WARS: Manufactured Drought to...
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Climate Change Lockdowns?
Climate lockdowns? Poor paranoid little Trumpettes! :lol: Just like the oligarchs did with COVID? The same folks that prepared for the pandemic have already run the drills and the simulations. . . . SO? Don't be surprised when it is rolled out. :dunno: WATER WARS: Manufactured Drought to...
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It doesn't matter how many you have, if the government and regulatory agencies are purposely emptying them.There aren't enough... Very smart people have been calling for a doubling of reservoirs in CA for years.... To watch all the rain and snow melt flow into the ocean and not try to collect it is a sin....
You clearly did not read my link.
“You’re looking at our largest reservoirs less than two years ago. They were absolutely teeming with water from 107% to 145% of average!” Diener says. “Our reservoirs held enough water for everyone who relies on them for their water supply, for 7 years. We are barely into our second dry year. WHERE DID IT GO?”
“Where did it go” indeed. According to the California Legislative Analyst’s Office, statewide water use averages 85 gallons per person per day. But it’s always urban/residential water users ordered to conserve water: let lawns turn brown and landscaping die, limit showers and baths, wash clothing and dishes less frequently, and other absurd “helpful tips.”
Diener also asks, “How can this year be the driest year on record when it has more than 7 months left? That’s just fake news and crisis creation.”
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". . . Deja vu: In 2018, we addressed the California Water Resources Control Board and lawmakers’ charges of its misplaced priorities:
As chairwoman of the California Water Resources Control Board, Felicia Marcus oversees a massive state bureaucracy with a $1 billion annual budget.
In a prescient op ed today (2018) in the Modesto Bee, Assemblyman Adam Gray (D-Merced) had some harsh words for Marcus and her radical environmental cohorts. “Despite her promises to the contrary, she and her board have used their immense authority to jeopardize – not protect – the economy and drinking water supplies of the Northern San Joaquin Valley.”
Gray says, “The State Water Board claims it needs the water to help restore fish populations, but an earlier version of their own report suggested their plan would result in little more than an additional 1,000 fish per year.”
“Irrigation districts in Merced, Turlock and Modesto have all proposed responsible alternatives that call for a combination of increased water flows, habitat restoration and predation controls,” Gray said. “Unsurprisingly, the State Water Board has rejected those proposals out of hand while continuing to preach a preference for voluntary settlements.”
“The truth is, the board will never be happy until it gets our water – no matter the consequence to our economy or our drinking water supplies,” Gray added.
California’s residents, farmers and ranchers find themselves in this untenable situation once again.
Diener explains Gov. Newsom’s water-related budget proposals:
Gov. Gavin Newsom’s recent $5.1 billion drought response package will not be used to create water abundance either. Instead, about $1 billion dollars will be used to pay off now unaffordable water bills that were made too expensive by intentionally creating water scarcity. When water restrictions are imposed, supplier revenues fall. They have fixed costs to deliver water and must raise rates as a result. #UseLessPayMore. . . . "
San Francisco Sues State to Retain Access to Vital Water Supply
San Francisco Sues State to Retain Access to Vital Water Supply
The city of San Francisco doesn’t want to part with its share of the valuable Sierra Nevada water supply but the state may insist. The two are back at it again in court and it’s up to a judge to de…
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