Judge blocks Trumps EO to end birthright citizenship

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You have to ask them because they pretty much all do it.

Really? How many illegals do you know? I think you made it up or listened to someone else who made it up.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Really? How many illegals do you know? I think you made it up or listened to someone else who made it up.

I am from Southern California. I know more illegals than citizens. The Mexican consulates in this country have mobile vans. They will park in an area and take car if illegals like a food truck hands out burgers. Average cost of a Mexican birth certificate is $15.00

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am from Southern California. I know more illegals than citizens. The Mexican consulates in this country have mobile vans. They will park in an area and take car if illegals like a food truck hands out burgers. Average cost of a Mexican birth certificate is $15.00

Why do they need them? You still haven't explained that yet. What is the purpose?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Why do they need them? You still haven't explained that yet?

Why not? They are Mexican. They vote in Mexican elections. They go back and forth all the time. It's identification. Surely you can't really believe that Mexicans, Hondurans and everyone else similarly situated REALLY becomes American with no desire to keep ties to their homeland. Ask them their nationality. Not one in a thousand will say American.

 

[Rawley]

One could just as easily, that being present in the US and not under the control of a foreign government means they are under our jurisdiction.

Psst. Under Mexican law, a child born in El Paso to a Mexican is a Mexican

 

[Care4all]

It was meant for slaves. Does not apply to criminal aliens.

The amendment was added AFTER THE CIVIL WAR.

IT WAS NOT MEANT FOR GUATEMALAN WOMEN TO SNEAK ACROSS THE BORDER AND PUSH ONE OUT.

You lefties know this, but you want new slaves.

Then why in the heck didn't the writers of the 14th amendment simply say that it was meant solely for slaves instead of ALL PERSONS born on our soil?

 

[Rawley]

Then why in the heck didn't the writers of the 14th amendment simply say that it was meant solely for slaves instead of ALL PERSONS born on our soil?

Because they didn't say it was for "ALL PERSONS born on our soil" If they wanted what you want. they would have written it "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States

 

[Care4all]

Because they didn't say it was for "ALL PERSONS born on our soil" If they wanted what you want. they would have written it "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States

They had to use under the jurisdiction, because Indians on reservations and foreign alien diplomats and ambassadors and family were NOT under our jurisdiction.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

Felon47 alone cannot amend the Constitution. No such power rests in the executive branch. Way over reaching.

Judges cannot amend the constitution either. But they do it all the time. That's how we got roe v wade and you libs cheered.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

The judge that called it unconstitutional was appointed by Reagan.....

Reagan was an illegal alien lover. He gave citizenship to 4 million of these monsters. Ronnie also gave us MLK day. Ronnie was a traitor and a white-hating racist.

I'm conservative but i hate ronnie. He was a hollywood actor and very good at fooling people. Say one thing, do tother.

 

[Rawley]

They had to use under the jurisdiction, because Indians on reservations and foreign alien diplomats and ambassadors and family were NOT under our jurisdiction.

You said "ALL"

FYI Children born on us soil to a Mexican are citizens of Mexico. Are they subject to US jurisdiction or subject Mexican jurisdiction?

Mexican nationality law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Judges cannot amend the constitution either. But they do it all the time. That's how we got roe v wade and you libs cheered.

Stupid whataboutism and wrong at that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why not? They are Mexican. They vote in Mexican elections. They go back and forth all the time. It's identification. Surely you can't really believe that Mexicans, Hondurans and everyone else similarly situated REALLY becomes American with no desire to keep ties to their homeland. Ask them their nationality. Not one in a thousand will say American.

It would be interesting to see some stats. My guess is they don't exist.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This might offer some explanation

From Exclusion to Inclusion: The Story of Dual Citizenship in Mexico. - Doble Nacionalidad Express

The story of dual citizenship in Mexico is a testament to how the nation has evolved to adapt to a more globalized world.

doblenacionalidadexpress.com

 

[Care4all]

You said "ALL"

FYI Children born on us soil to a Mexican are citizens of Mexico. Are they subject to US jurisdiction or subject Mexican jurisdiction?

Mexican nationality law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

First....I never said this is what I want, I'm saying it is what the 14th says and has been interpreted as by all the Courts, since the amendment passed around 150 years ago, and if we want to change it, then we need to amend the 14th.

I am a citizen of the united states due to being born here and my father is an American born citizen with family roots here in America since the early 1600s, and I'm also a citizen of Italy due to my mother being an Italian born citizen....and being born a year before her 5 year Visa waiting period was up before she was approved for her U.S. citizenship and becoming a U.S. citizen. Having duel citizenship does not make me or my older sister's allegiance lean towards Italy over the U.S. The U.S. is my country, and has been my entire life....though I did live in Italy for 3 years when in elementary school and Junior high school when my dad got transferred and Stationed there....while there I went to school on our Military Air Force base....American schooling, not Italian schools.

I and sis, have always been under the jurisdiction of the United States, and so has my mother from the moment she arrived on the Airplane with my dad....even though it took 5 years to get her citizenship after she arrived....and, we three have always held Italian citizenship as well, but are NOT subject to Italian jurisdiction....or Italian allegiance of any kind.

The answer to your question is these children born to Mexicans while living here, are US Citizens and under our, U.S. Jurisdiction, not Mexican.

Only foreign alien diplomats/ambassadors serving their foreign country in the united states for their foreign government and paid by their foreign gov't, are not under our U.S. jurisdiction, (nor would foreigners who served their foreign country at war with us, be under our jurisdiction)

We have Treaties we've signed that agree to these diplomatic immunity rules with foreign countries exempting them from our U.S. Jurisdiction that were in place prior to this 14th amendment, that covers our Diplomats when in foreign countries as well....

If we want to change the 14th A, it has to be done thru another constitutional amendment....that's where I stand.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Care4all explains it so clearly and succinctly, yet you boneheads stare vacant eyed at her as if the interior of your skulls are empty.

 

[Rawley]

First....I never said this is what I want, I'm saying it is what the 14th says and has been interpreted as by all the Courts, since the amendment passed around 150 years ago, and if we want to change it, then we need to amend the 14th.

Nope. The Supreme court can correct the interpretation of the Supreme Court from 100 years ago.

I am a citizen of the united states due to being born here and my father is an American born citizen with family roots here in America since the early 1600s, and also a citizen of Italy due to my mother being an Italian born citizen....and being born a year before her 5 year Visa waiting period was up before she was approved for her U.S. citizenship and becoming a U.S. citizen.

Nope. You are a citizen of the US. You were born here and your father was a US citizen. You applied for Italian citizenship based on your mother's blood.

Having duel citizenship does not make me or my older sister's allegiance lean towards Italy over the U.S. The U.S. is my country, and has been my entire life....though I did live in Italy for 3 years when in elementary school and Junior high school when my dad got transferred and Stationed there....while there I went to school on our Military Air Force base....American schooling, not Italian schools.

I and sis, have always been under the jurisdiction of the United States, and so has my mother from the moment she arrived on the Airplane with my dad....even though it took 5 years to get her citizenship after she arrived....and, we three have always held Italian citizenship as well, but are NOT subject to Italian jurisdiction....or Italian allegiance of any kind.

Sure you are. If you applied for and were granted Italian citizenship, you can be drafted by Italy to fight in their wars. Didn't they tell you that?

The answer to your question is these children born to Mexicans while living here, are US Citizens and under our, U.S. Jurisdiction, not Mexican.

That is your interpretation of the 14th.

Only foreign alien diplomats/ambassadors serving their foreign country in the united states for their foreign government and paid by their foreign gov't, are not under our U.S. jurisdiction, (nor would foreigners who served their foreign country at war with us, be under our jurisdiction)

We have Treaties we've signed that agree to these diplomatic immunity rules with foreign countries exempting them from our U.S. Jurisdiction that were in place prior to this 14th amendment, that covers our Diplomats when in foreign countries as well....

If we want to change the 14th A, it has to be done thru another constitutional amendment....that's where I stand.

Your opinion.

FYI - Once again, I thank you for your reasoned discussion, rare among your ideological cohorts.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Rawley's opinions about the 14th are only that, and none of them have any status in case law.

 

[Road Runner]

 

[Rawley]

Care4all explains it so clearly and succinctly, yet you boneheads stare vacant eyed at her as if the interior of your skulls are empty.

How about joining the substantive discussion instead of spewing mindless insults? For a change?