Judge blocks Trumps EO to end birthright citizenship

[The Sage of Main Street]

Psst. Under Mexican law, a child born in El Paso to a Mexican is a Mexican

Bury Marbury

Under American law too, despite SCROTUS's opinion. The will of the people supersedes the Star Chamber's obsolete power-grab.

Only those who get a nasty and pathetic pleasure out of identifying with dictators support judicial review.

 

[Care4all]

If you are an Italian citizen, you can be conscripted.

I never said it was just for slaves, did I? And the contemporaneous writings, debates and laws make a good argument that they intended to exclude the children of those in the illegally

Wong's parents were permanent legal residents.

Women are not drafted and never were, in Italy.

No they were not really permanent....they left in 1890....he was forbidden to reenter in 1895. And there was no illegal vs legal at the time they resided here and opened a business, from what I've researched.

 

[Rawley]

Women are not drafted and never were, in Italy.

That could change tomorrow. And by your Italian citizenship, you'd be subject to conscription, as would your brother, had you one.

No they were not really permanent....they left in 1890

They were permanent residents here for more than 20 years.

....he was forbidden to reenter in 1895. And there was no illegal vs legal at the time they resided here and opened a business, from what I've researched.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Anyone who is in the US And can be arrested in the u s is subject to u s jurisdiction.

The supreme court has ruled in the past that the only exceptions are diplomats and enemy soldiers during an invasion.

Now I'm 100% certain that the SCOTUS will change this but until then the judge made the correct ruling.

Give Them an Inch, and They Think They Are Rulers

Getting a legal right through illegal means is a contradiction. SCROTUS should not have gotten away with committing that fallacy. Neither should it have gotten away with judicial review.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That makes zero sense. They are defending the laws as written by our policy makers. Maybe those writing laws should be more precise?

Slithy Toves Mumbling Jabberwocky

Legalese is purposely made easy to twist into any meaning lawyers want to give it. Even "innocent until proven guilty" is confused; innocence is a judgment. If it were written in a language of clear communication, it would be "not punishable until proven guilty."

"First offense" is made to sound like a non-criminal who made an uncharacteristic act. In real language, it means "first conviction."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

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[The Sage of Main Street]

Amen to that
Nor are you obligated to care for either
Great point

LULACtating

What if it is one of the law-making traitors' most-favored cows?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Slithy Toves Mumbling Jabberwocky

Legalese is purposely made easy to twist into any meaning lawyers want to give it. Even "innocent until proven guilty" is confused; innocence is a judgment. If it were written in a language of clear communication, it would be "not punishable until proven guilty."

"First offense" is made to sound like a non-criminal who made an uncharacteristic act. In real language, it means "first conviction."

You’re wrong. Innocent and not punished aren’t the same. Even those who are guilty aren’t always punished. You’re arguing just to argue

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Rawley is relying on woulda coulda shoulda.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

The answer to your question is these children born to Mexicans while living here, are US Citizens and under our, U.S. Jurisdiction, not Mexican.

You stupid ignorant jackass. You think the authors of the 14A meant LEGAL jurisdiction. They meant political jurisdiction, moron. Of course everyone inside our borders is under our legal jurisdiction. Foreigners cannot invade our country and rob banks and say, "I'm not a citizen so your laws don't apply to me." THINK

 

[Stann]

It is unconstitutional based on the historic reading of the amendment.

If it has been incorrectly applied all these years, then-

We have learned that settled law doesn't mean what some folks think that it means.

Wrong , it means exactly what it intended. Birthright citizenship is citizenship. No transgressions allowed.. This morning s a solid mainstay of our democratic Republic. Not subject to the whims and hatred of the time.

 

[Stann]

You stupid ignorant jackass. You think the authors of the 14A meant LEGAL jurisdiction. They meant political jurisdiction, moron. Of course everyone inside our borders is under our legal jurisdiction. Foreigners cannot invade our country and rob banks and say, "I'm not a citizen so your laws don't apply to me." THINK

You sound like the ignorant person this exchange.

 

[Stann]

First....I never said this is what I want, I'm saying it is what the 14th says and has been interpreted as by all the Courts, since the amendment passed around 150 years ago, and if we want to change it, then we need to amend the 14th.

I am a citizen of the united states due to being born here and my father is an American born citizen with family roots here in America since the early 1600s, and I'm also a citizen of Italy due to my mother being an Italian born citizen....and being born a year before her 5 year Visa waiting period was up before she was approved for her U.S. citizenship and becoming a U.S. citizen. Having duel citizenship does not make me or my older sister's allegiance lean towards Italy over the U.S. The U.S. is my country, and has been my entire life....though I did live in Italy for 3 years when in elementary school and Junior high school when my dad got transferred and Stationed there....while there I went to school on our Military Air Force base....American schooling, not Italian schools.

I and sis, have always been under the jurisdiction of the United States, and so has my mother from the moment she arrived on the Airplane with my dad....even though it took 5 years to get her citizenship after she arrived....and, we three have always held Italian citizenship as well, but are NOT subject to Italian jurisdiction....or Italian allegiance of any kind.

The answer to your question is these children born to Mexicans while living here, are US Citizens and under our, U.S. Jurisdiction, not Mexican.

Only foreign alien diplomats/ambassadors serving their foreign country in the united states for their foreign government and paid by their foreign gov't, are not under our U.S. jurisdiction, (nor would foreigners who served their foreign country at war with us, be under our jurisdiction)

We have Treaties we've signed that agree to these diplomatic immunity rules with foreign countries exempting them from our U.S. Jurisdiction that were in place prior to this 14th amendment, that covers our Diplomats when in foreign countries as well....

If we want to change the 14th A, it has to be done thru another constitutional amendment....that's where I stand.

With a 2/3 rds. Majority of Congress. And then a vote of the he people if I am not mistaken.

 

[Care4all]

You stupid ignorant jackass. You think the authors of the 14A meant LEGAL jurisdiction. They meant political jurisdiction, moron. Of course everyone inside our borders is under our legal jurisdiction. Foreigners cannot invade our country and rob banks and say, "I'm not a citizen so your laws don't apply to me." THINK

There is no such thing as political jurisdiction, silly one. And you need a bar of soap, to wash your mouth out, and some chill pills!

 

[Stann]

You stupid ignorant jackass. You think the authors of the 14A meant LEGAL jurisdiction. They meant political jurisdiction, moron. Of course everyone inside our borders is under our legal jurisdiction. Foreigners cannot invade our country and rob banks and say, "I'm not a citizen so your laws don't apply to me." THINK

Total emotional , non-thinking idiot. If trump is your leader you're in like company ( bad ).

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You stupid ignorant jackass. You think the authors of the 14A meant LEGAL jurisdiction. They meant political jurisdiction, moron. Of course everyone inside our borders is under our legal jurisdiction. Foreigners cannot invade our country and rob banks and say, "I'm not a citizen so your laws don't apply to me." THINK

It means what SCOTUS says it means, not you. For heaven's sake.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

With a 2/3 rds. Majority of Congress. And then a vote of the he people if I am not mistaken.

You are mistaken. The states, not congress or the people, vote on a constitutional amendment. 3/4 of the states must ratify.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

It means what SCOTUS says it means, not you. For heaven's sake.

SCOTUS has no authority to rewrite the constitution. THINK

 

[otto105]

You stupid ignorant jackass. You think the authors of the 14A meant LEGAL jurisdiction. They meant political jurisdiction, moron. Of course everyone inside our borders is under our legal jurisdiction. Foreigners cannot invade our country and rob banks and say, "I'm not a citizen so your laws don't apply to me." THINK

The first version of the 14th amendment stated just all people born in the US were US citizens.

 

[Stann]

You are mistaken. The states, not congress or the people, vote on a constitutional amendment. 3/4 of the states must ratify.

Thank you. So much for trump's attempt to change the constitution. No one in the right mind would vote for that. Too many great Americans are / were birthright citizens. That would be a travesty on principle alone.