Opinion Article: Don’t Freak Out When We Lose the Birthright Citizenship Case

[Care4all]

And when it blows back in their face they will cry it shouldn't count.




Pick better candidates and the issues all become moot. The people will support them.

If both sides pick better candidates, we still have the same electoral problems.

 

[AZrailwhale]

When you say something this retarded, I can't take you seriously. It makes me think you ate the lead paint as a child.

NYC has 10 million people. Chicago and LA have about 3 million each. 16 million voters aren't going to "run the country" in an electorate of 160 million.



Except- again, not really. What the Founding Slave Rapists were afraid of was that eventually Free States would vote to take away their slaves, which they did anyway.

There were no "big cities" back in 1787; most of the country's population was agrarian.

In 1787, Boston had a population of 269,000. Philadelphia had one of 40,000. New York 240,000. Charleston, 30,000. The total population of the USA in 1787 was 3,500,000 nearly a third of which were in four major cities with the balance of the majority in the slave states including three fifths of the slave population. Less than half the states would control the entire country without the electoral college that made all states equal.

 

[dblack]

The system has worked fine for around 250 years. Zero need to change it.

Even if it shuts up all the immigration whiners?

 

[AZrailwhale]

When you say something this retarded, I can't take you seriously. It makes me think you ate the lead paint as a child.

NYC has 10 million people. Chicago and LA have about 3 million each. 16 million voters aren't going to "run the country" in an electorate of 160 million.



Except- again, not really. What the Founding Slave Rapists were afraid of was that eventually Free States would vote to take away their slaves, which they did anyway.

There were no "big cities" back in 1787; most of the country's population was agrarian.

The population of Greater Los Angeles which is LA County, Ventura, Oxnard and Coastal Orange County is 22,471,140. Greater New York (the entire metro area) has a population of 23,737,000. Greater Chicago has a population of 9,440,000. That's a total of 55,648,140. That's more than a third of the entire electorate. Add in Greater San Francisco another 7,700,000. Sacramento, 2,269,000 and San Diego's 3,402,000. All of which vote majority democratic equals out to 69,019,140. Just shy of half of your 160,000,000 without counting all the other large, middle and small cities that reliably vote democratic.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Actually, it's a huge problem.

If you aren't lucky enough to live in one of the seven swing states, voting is kind of a pointless endeavor.

The reason they are swing states is because they are fairly evenly balanced between republicans and democrats, that isn't an immutable fact.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I think there will be a mass movement to get rid of the EC after Trump is gone.

To eliminate the EC you will need 37 states to ratify AFTER getting two thirds of both the House and Senate to initiate the Amendment. Good luck getting anywhere near that. You only have 19 blue states, even if all seven of the swing states support you, you would only have 26 states.

 

[BlindBoo]

The population of Greater Los Angeles which is LA County, Ventura, Oxnard and Coastal Orange County is 22,471,140. Greater New York (the entire metro area) has a population of 23,737,000. Greater Chicago has a population of 9,440,000. That's a total of 55,648,140. That's more than a third of the entire electorate. Add in Greater San Francisco another 7,700,000. Sacramento, 2,269,000 and San Diego's 3,402,000. All of which vote majority democratic equals out to 69,019,140. Just shy of half of your 160,000,000 without counting all the other large, middle and small cities that reliably vote democratic.

The vast majority of the U.S. population lived on rural farms or in small rural communities during the 1800s. In 1800, approximately 90% to 94% of Americans lived in rural areas and were primarily self-sufficient farmers. Whereas today, 80% of the population lives in Cities.

 

[candycorn]

Even if it shuts up all the immigration whiners?

Nothing will ever shut up a Trump supporter. You won’t have to look hard for allegations of voter fraud this November.

 

[JoeB131]

We ran arms that ended up in the hands of those who used them against us.

Yes, we did. What's your point?

 

[pknopp]

Yes, we did. What's your point?

If you are unable to grasp the point......

 

[JoeB131]

In 1787, Boston had a population of 269,000. Philadelphia had one of 40,000. New York 240,000. Charleston, 30,000. The total population of the USA in 1787 was 3,500,000 nearly a third of which were in four major cities with the balance of the majority in the slave states including three fifths of the slave population. Less than half the states would control the entire country without the electoral college that made all states equal.

So you suck at math? Besides the fact that those numbers barely add up to 1/3rd. (More like 1/5th), the problem with "Them city folks are going to dominate us with numbers" works on the assumption that those city folks vote in a monolithic block, which they don't.

To eliminate the EC you will need 37 states to ratify AFTER getting two thirds of both the House and Senate to initiate the Amendment. Good luck getting anywhere near that. You only have 19 blue states, even if all seven of the swing states support you, you would only have 26 states.

Actually, you don't even need to do that. The interstate compact just has to gather over 270 EVs to commit to whoever wins the popular vote.

The population of Greater Los Angeles which is LA County, Ventura, Oxnard and Coastal Orange County is 22,471,140. Greater New York (the entire metro area) has a population of 23,737,000. Greater Chicago has a population of 9,440,000. That's a total of 55,648,140. That's more than a third of the entire electorate. Add in Greater San Francisco another 7,700,000. Sacramento, 2,269,000 and San Diego's 3,402,000. All of which vote majority democratic equals out to 69,019,140. Just shy of half of your 160,000,000 without counting all the other large, middle and small cities that reliably vote democratic.

Now you are just making up numbers. (The only one you got kind of right is Chicago) "Greater Areas" include many suburban and exurban areas. Like for Chicago, that would include DuPage County, which is about as Republican as you can get. Again, your logic only works IF you assume them city folks are going to vote in a monolithic block, which they don't.

But let's address the elephant in the room. Yes, most of our population lives in Urban Centers, so if you had REAL democracy and not the sham that is the EC, the votes of city folks would be more important.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you suck at math? Besides the fact that those numbers barely add up to 1/3rd. (More like 1/5th), the problem with "Them city folks are going to dominate us with numbers" works on the assumption that those city folks vote in a monolithic block, which they don't.


Actually, you don't even need to do that. The interstate compact just has to gather over 270 EVs to commit to whoever wins the popular vote.



Now you are just making up numbers. (The only one you got kind of right is Chicago) "Greater Areas" include many suburban and exurban areas. Like for Chicago, that would include DuPage County, which is about as Republican as you can get. Again, your logic only works IF you assume them city folks are going to vote in a monolithic block, which they don't.

But let's address the elephant in the room. Yes, most of our population lives in Urban Centers, so if you had REAL democracy and not the sham that is the EC, the votes of city folks would be more important.

Like for Chicago, that would include DuPage County, which is about as Republican as you can get.

https://ballotpedia.org/DuPage_County,_Illinois,_elections,_2024

DURR

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We donr need an amendment only a ruling by the SC

So, we get another Roe v. Wade decision saying that Constitution doesn't say what it really says?

 

[Hafar1014]

So, we get another Roe v. Wade decision saying that Constitution doesn't say what it really says?

It says a in order to give birth to a citizen you cant be under any other jurisdiction. That means you have to be citizen in the first place to give birth to one. Its not a constitutional issue.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The population of Greater Los Angeles which is LA County, Ventura, Oxnard and Coastal Orange County is 22,471,140. Greater New York (the entire metro area) has a population of 23,737,000. Greater Chicago has a population of 9,440,000. That's a total of 55,648,140. That's more than a third of the entire electorate. Add in Greater San Francisco another 7,700,000. Sacramento, 2,269,000 and San Diego's 3,402,000. All of which vote majority democratic equals out to 69,019,140. Just shy of half of your 160,000,000 without counting all the other large, middle and small cities that reliably vote democratic.

With all due respect to your point, your stats are all wrong when you consider that population does not equal electorate. You are using an apple and watermelons comparison. 55,568,140 is not one third of the population, because many people cannot and do not vote, like children.

 

[BlindBoo]

It says a in order to give birth to a citizen you cant be under any other jurisdiction.

No, it says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." The exclusion was for Diplomats and Savages. Immigrants, even undocumented ones, and those who overstay their visa's are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Ask the people in the Concentration Warehouses.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So you suck at math? Besides the fact that those numbers barely add up to 1/3rd. (More like 1/5th), the problem with "Them city folks are going to dominate us with numbers" works on the assumption that those city folks vote in a monolithic block, which they don't.


Actually, you don't even need to do that. The interstate compact just has to gather over 270 EVs to commit to whoever wins the popular vote.



Now you are just making up numbers. (The only one you got kind of right is Chicago) "Greater Areas" include many suburban and exurban areas. Like for Chicago, that would include DuPage County, which is about as Republican as you can get. Again, your logic only works IF you assume them city folks are going to vote in a monolithic block, which they don't.

But let's address the elephant in the room. Yes, most of our population lives in Urban Centers, so if you had REAL democracy and not the sham that is the EC, the votes of city folks would be more important.

I’m not making up numbers, you are shorting numbers by just using residents within city limits. I’m using the real figures of metro areas.

 

[Hafar1014]

It says a in order to give birth to a citizen you cant be under any other jurisdiction. That means you have to be citizen in the first place to give birth to one.

No, it says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." The exclusion was for Diplomats and Savages. Immigrants, even undocumented ones, and those who overstay their visa's are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Ask the people in the Concentration Warehouses.

The phrase "not subject to any foreign power" or "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" refers to the concept of birthright citizenship, which was formally established by the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and subsequently enshrined in the 14th Amendment (1868).

You left out the foreign power words. Typical progressive misinformation. What does foreign power mean to you

 

[JoeB131]

I’m not making up numbers, you are shorting numbers by just using residents within city limits. I’m using the real figures of metro areas.

real figures from whom? If you have to go to a very generous interpretation of "Metro Area" to get the numbers you want, and ignore the fact that they don't vote monolithically.

 

[JoeB131]

Like for Chicago, that would include DuPage County, which is about as Republican as you can get.

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https://ballotpedia.org/DuPage_County,_Illinois,_elections,_2024

DURR

Um, dummy, it wasn't about how they voted in the General Election.

It's about who runs that county. Which until 2024, was the GOP.

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