justoffal
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But very complicated for Lefty
James Hansen Wishes he Wasn’t So Right about Global Warming
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But very complicated for Lefty
justoffal
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It's not so funny for people who get sucked into solar panel contracts. Whether they buy or lease with leasing being the worst deal The payments for the equipment often exceed $70,000 for a home installation. Even if a person spent $5,000 a year on their electric bill (highly unlikely) it would take them 14 years to break even.
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They look at the cost for 1 hour, ignoring the fact that we actually need it for 24 hours.
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justoffal
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Yep..... Truthfully the future probably lies in a combination of the old and new. Until massive sources of energy such as fission and fusion become commercially viable hydrocarbons cannot be erased from the equation. Not unless we want to start reading books by candlelight.
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Depends on the size and the KW range.
50k is about right for a 15kw installation.
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- Incentives and Rebates:
The 30% federal tax credit is a significant factor in reducing the overall cost.
- 5 kW system: $15,350 before tax credit, $10,745 after tax credit
- 6 kW system: $18,420 before tax credit, $12,894 after tax credit
- 7 kW system: $21,490 before tax credit, $15,043 after tax credit
- 8 kW system: $24,560 before tax credit, $17,192 after tax credit
Generally, you need at least double what your usage is to ensure you have enough. Plus, if you don't have a battery bank, it's pretty useless at night.
I have 65kw installed, with a 65kw battery bank to back it up.
VERY expensive!
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Wow! 65 kw?? Nice! You off grid? I'm going to guess you were getting close to 100k on that one.
I am on grid, but we lose power whenever there is a major storm, which, at 7000 feet in the mountains happens yearly.
Plus, we are in earthquake country, so when there is a big one, we are potentially weeks from having power restored, so I built our system with that in mind.
And yeah, it is over 100k.
So you are saying Exxon was wrong too? Because the geologic record shows a planet that cycles between long periods of frigid temperatures and short intervals of warm temperatures like today.
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Exxon’s Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels’ Role in Global Warming Decades Ago
Top executives were warned of possible catastrophe from greenhouse effect, then led efforts to block solutions.
May 2, 2024"...At a meeting in Exxon Corporation’s headquarters, a senior company scientist named James F. Black addressed an audience of powerful oilmen. Speaking without a text as he flipped through detailed slides, Black delivered a sobering message: carbon dioxide from the world’s use of fossil fuels would warm the planet and could eventually endanger humanity.
“In the first place, there is general Scientific Agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels,” Black told Exxon’s Management Committee, according to a written version he recorded later.
It was July 1977 when Exxon’s leaders received this blunt assessment, well before most of the world had heard of the looming climate crisis.
A year later, Black, a top technical expert in Exxon’s Research & Engineering division, took an updated version of his presentation to a broader audience.
He warned Exxon scientists and managers that independent researchers estimated a doubling of the carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (4 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit), and as much as 10 degrees Celsius (18 degrees Fahrenheit) at the poles. Rainfall might get heavier in some regions, and other places might turn to desert."..."
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Exxon’s Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels’ Role in Global Warming Decades Ago - Inside Climate News
Top executives were warned of possible catastrophe from greenhouse effect, then led efforts to block solutions.
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So you are saying Exxon was wrong too? Because the geologic record shows a planet that cycles between long periods of frigid temperatures and short intervals of warm temperatures like today.Exxon’s Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels’ Role in Global Warming Decades Ago
Top executives were warned of possible catastrophe from greenhouse effect, then led efforts to block solutions.
May 2, 2024
"...At a meeting in Exxon Corporation’s headquarters, a senior company scientist named James F. Black addressed an audience of powerful oilmen. Speaking without a text as he flipped through detailed slides, Black delivered a sobering message: carbon dioxide from the world’s use of fossil fuels would warm the planet and could eventually endanger humanity.
“In the first place, there is general Scientific Agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels,” Black told Exxon’s Management Committee, according to a written version he recorded later.
It was July 1977 when Exxon’s leaders received this blunt assessment, well before most of the world had heard of the looming climate crisis.
A year later, Black, a top technical expert in Exxon’s Research & Engineering division, took an updated version of his presentation to a broader audience.
He warned Exxon scientists and managers that independent researchers estimated a doubling of the carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (4 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit), and as much as 10 degrees Celsius (18 degrees Fahrenheit) at the poles. Rainfall might get heavier in some regions, and other places might turn to desert."..."
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Exxon’s Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels’ Role in Global Warming Decades Ago - Inside Climate News
Top executives were warned of possible catastrophe from greenhouse effect, then led efforts to block solutions.
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Given that you know less than nothing about climate, what does that make you?
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The same "science" that says women can have penises?
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