It has become painfully obvious to me that Donald Trump literally BROKE THE LEFT in America

[Slade3200]

Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It’s understandable why people have had it with Trump. He just lies about everything. His supporters don’t care because it riles up the left which is why they love Trump. But in the real world lies and conspiracies are dangerous things. The Jan 6th riot and 2020 election have had false narratives around them for months that are now being parroted by leadership. That needs to be squashed and we need to strive for accountability and honesty not the current atmosphere of fight for power at all costs.

He's been gone for FOUR MONTHS but you wouldn't know it based on the nuts posting here about how he stole their lunch money or virginity...

He and Republican leadership are still propagating lies about the election. The Jan 6 investigation is an attempt by Dems to expose those lies and give Americans a factual narrative

He can say whatever he likes as a citizen with first amendment rights. However it has no influence over our current congress on ANY issue that matters. Dems have control and need to govern rather than playing nanananabooboo with Trump.

Nobody is calling for criminal charges to be filed against Trump for his lies but they are pushing back against them. And when leadership propagates those lies which results in undermining the public confidence in our elections the it’s an issue to be taken seriously.

I'm sort of in the middle here.. . .

The right is sure that Trump won.

The left says this is a lie.

When the corporate cabal is honest, and values the process over profits, integrity over politics, when they allow those who support Trump, to have their demands met for a full exposure of how the election was conducted, including having the source code revealed. . . as a bystander, I will be satisfied.

. . . but? Calling something a "lie," until it is proven so? I am not convinced. I remember when the right called all of the left's criticisms of the 2000 and 2004's election irregularities, "lies," and again, nothing was done about it. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The only difference? Their candidate is not backing down.

So, excuse me if I don't just accept the propaganda of the corporatacracy and the establishment.

Trump? He's acts the fool, sure. But Biden and his corporate masters are tyrants. I don't trust or believe any of them.

It’s a lie just for the fact that it hasn’t been proven yet is being sold as a stolen election that Trump won. So even if that statement is true and there was some kind of hack or vast conspiracy that swung the election, those calling it stolen, like it’s fact, without the evidence to prove those claims, are lying.

The fraud claims were given a chance. Over 60 judges were presented cases and not one was legit enough to even warrant a trial. Our intel agencies including Barr all said the election was legit and there is no evidence of a stolen election. We know Trump. We know he lies. We saw him set up the “rigged election” narrative in 2016 when he thought he was going to lose. We saw him try and set up a voting fraud commission to show that he actually won the popular vote. It failed. Now we predicted and saw him use the same playbook for the 2020 election. Nothing will ever satisfy the crazy here. You can look at source code or do recounts and audits in every county and there will still be seeds of doubt planted and claims of a stolen election.

You seem like a fair minded person. You’ve got to see the game being played here... right?

You keep repeating yourself and the Democrats and RINOs keep doing everything they can to block audits and investigations. The guilt might as well be tattooed on their foreheads.

You have your third count going on in AZ right now. After it flops you’ll move on to something else that I will mock you about

What makes you think it is going to flop? There must be something there when so many are trying so hard to stop it. A child could figure that out. Do you know any that could help explain it to you?

Because the election process has safeguards and Trump is a horrific liar. The game he is playing is obvious. AZ will flop but I have no doubt you will find some lame excuse

Our biggest concern? Should be if it doesn't flop.

. . . if it doesn't flop, it means one of two things.

A) The election had no integrity.

B) The Deep State is screwing with everyone, on the left AND the right, to make it so that they will put in new, even more draconian control over our elections and all of our lives to control who leads us. . . IOW, they are purposely creating all this chaos.


Who the hell can be sure which it is. . . as no one can be trusted.

You realize the election is a compilation of many hundred independent districts with in 50 different states,right? It’s not one processes that the cabal can control.
Per your concerns, yes it would be a concern if something serious shows up in the recount. I seriously doubt anything will.

Will you have concerns if nothing shows up but perhaps some Minor insignificant discrepancies? Would you be concerned about the tremendous effort being put forth to undermine the public confidence in our elections?

Yes, I realize the election is composed of multiple jurisdictions, but they are all run under the respective supervision of the various authorities of centralized state authorities. Thus, just 50 bureaucracies running things.

I had a friend point out.. . that yeah, it is concerning, even if nothing shows up with shit like this. . it IS still concerning, isn't it?

... aren't you concerned?

There is a tremendous amount of effort being put forth to make folks question this election, just like they made folks believe "Russia," had something to do with the election of Trump. What does that say to you?

All I can say, is what I have recommended to other lefties or folks who believe in state/establishment/corporate media narratives. Go to YouTube or Google the documentary by the Emmy award winning documentarian David Earnhardt, Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections (2008). Learn from it, and think about its implications in our current paradigm, and about the motives of the elites, the oligarchs, and the establishment's goals. Don't be so naive. It is about process, not politics.


ORDO AB CHAO.

The effort to cast doubt into this election is all centered around Trumps ego. Trump doesn’t admit defeat, we allow know this. He always sets up a fall guy to blame, We know this. How can so many be so stupid to run with this stuff? You think people who trust the government are naive?! Come on.

Im not a big government person and I am absolutely skeptical of those in power. But I’m not going to ride this wave of lies. If it was an honest accounting of our elections process I’d be all about it. I have no doubt there is corruption and holes in that system that need to be fixed. I actually think the whole system from
Campaigning on up needs to be rebuilt. But what’s going on now is about Trump and it’s based on lies. I don’t think any good Americans should tolerate it.

You have a TEE VEE and watch it, don't you?

I am not focused on the personalities, nor do I believe the narratives, of either side.

If you believe this is only about Trump? You haven't done as I asked.

I respect your inclination to believe the narratives you are told about the folks in our national drama. . . but I don't buy them. Not on either side. Lots of folks had a lot to profit by Trump's loss, many many billionaire oligarchs and global corporations. OTH? Those global corporations could easily create a boogie man for the public to redirect their rage at the system towards. . . very successfully I might add.

If you want to think Trump lies, that is fine. I have no argument with that. . . he does have a penchant to exaggerate, stretch the truth, and outright fib, but then? I don't think he is any different in that regard from any other politician. The corporate media just likes to harp on his manipulation of the facts a lot more.

It is clear to me you haven't done as I asked. No further conversation on this point is necessary.

When Trump first came down that escalator and announced he was running? I had a feeling of what was coming. . . . and I was not wrong. None of this surprises me.

For me, it is about the forest, not individual trees.

I havent had a chance to watch the piece you recommended but I will when I have some time and I’d be happy to discuss it with you. Regarding your other statements. Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician I’ve ever encountered and that’s why he is scrutinized so hard. He deserves it and brings it upon himself.

you also aren’t alone in your skepticism of government and the media. Do you actually think I hear a person on TV say something and I just accept it as truth and fact?! Hell no. I’m skeptical of anything and everything that I don’t see with my own two eyes. My opinions are based on my own assessment of the situation based on what I see and hear from a variety of sources and I’m always open minded to new facts or ideas. In this case, Trumps tactics are just so obvious as he acts this way all the time. It was very predictable. The sad thing is watching all these people, my fellow countrymen, buy into it. I knew we were dumb as a collective but I didn’t think we were this dumb

 

[MisterBeale]

Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician I’ve ever encountered

How do you know?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It’s understandable why people have had it with Trump. He just lies about everything. His supporters don’t care because it riles up the left which is why they love Trump. But in the real world lies and conspiracies are dangerous things. The Jan 6th riot and 2020 election have had false narratives around them for months that are now being parroted by leadership. That needs to be squashed and we need to strive for accountability and honesty not the current atmosphere of fight for power at all costs.

He's been gone for FOUR MONTHS but you wouldn't know it based on the nuts posting here about how he stole their lunch money or virginity...

He and Republican leadership are still propagating lies about the election. The Jan 6 investigation is an attempt by Dems to expose those lies and give Americans a factual narrative

He can say whatever he likes as a citizen with first amendment rights. However it has no influence over our current congress on ANY issue that matters. Dems have control and need to govern rather than playing nanananabooboo with Trump.

Nobody is calling for criminal charges to be filed against Trump for his lies but they are pushing back against them. And when leadership propagates those lies which results in undermining the public confidence in our elections the it’s an issue to be taken seriously.

I'm sort of in the middle here.. . .

The right is sure that Trump won.

The left says this is a lie.

When the corporate cabal is honest, and values the process over profits, integrity over politics, when they allow those who support Trump, to have their demands met for a full exposure of how the election was conducted, including having the source code revealed. . . as a bystander, I will be satisfied.

. . . but? Calling something a "lie," until it is proven so? I am not convinced. I remember when the right called all of the left's criticisms of the 2000 and 2004's election irregularities, "lies," and again, nothing was done about it. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The only difference? Their candidate is not backing down.

So, excuse me if I don't just accept the propaganda of the corporatacracy and the establishment.

Trump? He's acts the fool, sure. But Biden and his corporate masters are tyrants. I don't trust or believe any of them.

It’s a lie just for the fact that it hasn’t been proven yet is being sold as a stolen election that Trump won. So even if that statement is true and there was some kind of hack or vast conspiracy that swung the election, those calling it stolen, like it’s fact, without the evidence to prove those claims, are lying.

The fraud claims were given a chance. Over 60 judges were presented cases and not one was legit enough to even warrant a trial. Our intel agencies including Barr all said the election was legit and there is no evidence of a stolen election. We know Trump. We know he lies. We saw him set up the “rigged election” narrative in 2016 when he thought he was going to lose. We saw him try and set up a voting fraud commission to show that he actually won the popular vote. It failed. Now we predicted and saw him use the same playbook for the 2020 election. Nothing will ever satisfy the crazy here. You can look at source code or do recounts and audits in every county and there will still be seeds of doubt planted and claims of a stolen election.

You seem like a fair minded person. You’ve got to see the game being played here... right?

You keep repeating yourself and the Democrats and RINOs keep doing everything they can to block audits and investigations. The guilt might as well be tattooed on their foreheads.

You have your third count going on in AZ right now. After it flops you’ll move on to something else that I will mock you about

What makes you think it is going to flop? There must be something there when so many are trying so hard to stop it. A child could figure that out. Do you know any that could help explain it to you?

Because the election process has safeguards and Trump is a horrific liar. The game he is playing is obvious. AZ will flop but I have no doubt you will find some lame excuse

Our biggest concern? Should be if it doesn't flop.

. . . if it doesn't flop, it means one of two things.

A) The election had no integrity.

B) The Deep State is screwing with everyone, on the left AND the right, to make it so that they will put in new, even more draconian control over our elections and all of our lives to control who leads us. . . IOW, they are purposely creating all this chaos.


Who the hell can be sure which it is. . . as no one can be trusted.

You realize the election is a compilation of many hundred independent districts with in 50 different states,right? It’s not one processes that the cabal can control.
Per your concerns, yes it would be a concern if something serious shows up in the recount. I seriously doubt anything will.

Will you have concerns if nothing shows up but perhaps some Minor insignificant discrepancies? Would you be concerned about the tremendous effort being put forth to undermine the public confidence in our elections?

Yes, I realize the election is composed of multiple jurisdictions, but they are all run under the respective supervision of the various authorities of centralized state authorities. Thus, just 50 bureaucracies running things.

I had a friend point out.. . that yeah, it is concerning, even if nothing shows up with shit like this. . it IS still concerning, isn't it?

... aren't you concerned?

There is a tremendous amount of effort being put forth to make folks question this election, just like they made folks believe "Russia," had something to do with the election of Trump. What does that say to you?

All I can say, is what I have recommended to other lefties or folks who believe in state/establishment/corporate media narratives. Go to YouTube or Google the documentary by the Emmy award winning documentarian David Earnhardt, Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections (2008). Learn from it, and think about its implications in our current paradigm, and about the motives of the elites, the oligarchs, and the establishment's goals. Don't be so naive. It is about process, not politics.


ORDO AB CHAO.

The effort to cast doubt into this election is all centered around Trumps ego. Trump doesn’t admit defeat, we allow know this. He always sets up a fall guy to blame, We know this. How can so many be so stupid to run with this stuff? You think people who trust the government are naive?! Come on.

Im not a big government person and I am absolutely skeptical of those in power. But I’m not going to ride this wave of lies. If it was an honest accounting of our elections process I’d be all about it. I have no doubt there is corruption and holes in that system that need to be fixed. I actually think the whole system from
Campaigning on up needs to be rebuilt. But what’s going on now is about Trump and it’s based on lies. I don’t think any good Americans should tolerate it.

There are lots of problems with our system and the fact that you put them on the back burner BECAUSE OF TRUMP shows that you're not serious about addressing them. Trump is gone but our broken system remains.

Focus ffs

I’m not serious about addressing anything that propagates lies to the public. That does more damage than good. If we can have an honest accounting of the situation then I’d be very happy to address it. But to go along with Trumps crap just makes you a useful idiot

Well since I don't follow Trump, have any idea what he is doing and have stated I don't want him to run in 24 that make YOU the fucking idiot for making unfounded assumptions.
YOU are proving not to be a serious person. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP is all you seem to have.

Pathetic

 

[progressive hunter]

Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It’s understandable why people have had it with Trump. He just lies about everything. His supporters don’t care because it riles up the left which is why they love Trump. But in the real world lies and conspiracies are dangerous things. The Jan 6th riot and 2020 election have had false narratives around them for months that are now being parroted by leadership. That needs to be squashed and we need to strive for accountability and honesty not the current atmosphere of fight for power at all costs.

He's been gone for FOUR MONTHS but you wouldn't know it based on the nuts posting here about how he stole their lunch money or virginity...

He and Republican leadership are still propagating lies about the election. The Jan 6 investigation is an attempt by Dems to expose those lies and give Americans a factual narrative

He can say whatever he likes as a citizen with first amendment rights. However it has no influence over our current congress on ANY issue that matters. Dems have control and need to govern rather than playing nanananabooboo with Trump.

Nobody is calling for criminal charges to be filed against Trump for his lies but they are pushing back against them. And when leadership propagates those lies which results in undermining the public confidence in our elections the it’s an issue to be taken seriously.

I'm sort of in the middle here.. . .

The right is sure that Trump won.

The left says this is a lie.

When the corporate cabal is honest, and values the process over profits, integrity over politics, when they allow those who support Trump, to have their demands met for a full exposure of how the election was conducted, including having the source code revealed. . . as a bystander, I will be satisfied.

. . . but? Calling something a "lie," until it is proven so? I am not convinced. I remember when the right called all of the left's criticisms of the 2000 and 2004's election irregularities, "lies," and again, nothing was done about it. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The only difference? Their candidate is not backing down.

So, excuse me if I don't just accept the propaganda of the corporatacracy and the establishment.

Trump? He's acts the fool, sure. But Biden and his corporate masters are tyrants. I don't trust or believe any of them.

It’s a lie just for the fact that it hasn’t been proven yet is being sold as a stolen election that Trump won. So even if that statement is true and there was some kind of hack or vast conspiracy that swung the election, those calling it stolen, like it’s fact, without the evidence to prove those claims, are lying.

The fraud claims were given a chance. Over 60 judges were presented cases and not one was legit enough to even warrant a trial. Our intel agencies including Barr all said the election was legit and there is no evidence of a stolen election. We know Trump. We know he lies. We saw him set up the “rigged election” narrative in 2016 when he thought he was going to lose. We saw him try and set up a voting fraud commission to show that he actually won the popular vote. It failed. Now we predicted and saw him use the same playbook for the 2020 election. Nothing will ever satisfy the crazy here. You can look at source code or do recounts and audits in every county and there will still be seeds of doubt planted and claims of a stolen election.

You seem like a fair minded person. You’ve got to see the game being played here... right?

You keep repeating yourself and the Democrats and RINOs keep doing everything they can to block audits and investigations. The guilt might as well be tattooed on their foreheads.

You have your third count going on in AZ right now. After it flops you’ll move on to something else that I will mock you about

What makes you think it is going to flop? There must be something there when so many are trying so hard to stop it. A child could figure that out. Do you know any that could help explain it to you?

Because the election process has safeguards and Trump is a horrific liar. The game he is playing is obvious. AZ will flop but I have no doubt you will find some lame excuse

Our biggest concern? Should be if it doesn't flop.

. . . if it doesn't flop, it means one of two things.

A) The election had no integrity.

B) The Deep State is screwing with everyone, on the left AND the right, to make it so that they will put in new, even more draconian control over our elections and all of our lives to control who leads us. . . IOW, they are purposely creating all this chaos.


Who the hell can be sure which it is. . . as no one can be trusted.

You realize the election is a compilation of many hundred independent districts with in 50 different states,right? It’s not one processes that the cabal can control.
Per your concerns, yes it would be a concern if something serious shows up in the recount. I seriously doubt anything will.

Will you have concerns if nothing shows up but perhaps some Minor insignificant discrepancies? Would you be concerned about the tremendous effort being put forth to undermine the public confidence in our elections?

Yes, I realize the election is composed of multiple jurisdictions, but they are all run under the respective supervision of the various authorities of centralized state authorities. Thus, just 50 bureaucracies running things.

I had a friend point out.. . that yeah, it is concerning, even if nothing shows up with shit like this. . it IS still concerning, isn't it?

... aren't you concerned?

There is a tremendous amount of effort being put forth to make folks question this election, just like they made folks believe "Russia," had something to do with the election of Trump. What does that say to you?

All I can say, is what I have recommended to other lefties or folks who believe in state/establishment/corporate media narratives. Go to YouTube or Google the documentary by the Emmy award winning documentarian David Earnhardt, Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections (2008). Learn from it, and think about its implications in our current paradigm, and about the motives of the elites, the oligarchs, and the establishment's goals. Don't be so naive. It is about process, not politics.


ORDO AB CHAO.

The effort to cast doubt into this election is all centered around Trumps ego. Trump doesn’t admit defeat, we allow know this. He always sets up a fall guy to blame, We know this. How can so many be so stupid to run with this stuff? You think people who trust the government are naive?! Come on.

Im not a big government person and I am absolutely skeptical of those in power. But I’m not going to ride this wave of lies. If it was an honest accounting of our elections process I’d be all about it. I have no doubt there is corruption and holes in that system that need to be fixed. I actually think the whole system from
Campaigning on up needs to be rebuilt. But what’s going on now is about Trump and it’s based on lies. I don’t think any good Americans should tolerate it.

There are lots of problems with our system and the fact that you put them on the back burner BECAUSE OF TRUMP shows that you're not serious about addressing them. Trump is gone but our broken system remains.

Focus ffs

I’m not serious about addressing anything that propagates lies to the public. That does more damage than good. If we can have an honest accounting of the situation then I’d be very happy to address it. But to go along with Trumps crap just makes you a useful idiot

Well since I don't follow Trump, have any idea what he is doing and have stated I don't want him to run in 24 that make YOU the fucking idiot for making unfounded assumptions.
YOU are proving not to be a serious person. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP is all you seem to have.

Pathetic

it was understandable while he was POTUS but at this point we can declare TDS a true mental illness,,

 

[Magnus]

Frankly, I am all for forgetting the orange douche bag. But he won't go away. He keeps trying to get back in the news whining about his loss and his trumptard followers are no better.

Good, then you have no business on this thread. Bye.

Sure, I do. I am here to laugh at you trumptards. Hahahahahahahahaha

Then you admit you contribute nothing. Think about that.

Poor trumptard. Still smarting over the whopping Biden gave your orange douche bag.

Not for long.

Not for long? LOL. Belt in, trumptard. It is going to be a loooong 8 years. And I will be here making fun of you trumptards the whole time.

Think about that.

 

[Slade3200]

Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician I’ve ever encountered

How do you know?

Because I’ve observed... like him or not I’m kind of shocked you wouldn’t see that as obvious

 

[Slade3200]

Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It’s understandable why people have had it with Trump. He just lies about everything. His supporters don’t care because it riles up the left which is why they love Trump. But in the real world lies and conspiracies are dangerous things. The Jan 6th riot and 2020 election have had false narratives around them for months that are now being parroted by leadership. That needs to be squashed and we need to strive for accountability and honesty not the current atmosphere of fight for power at all costs.

He's been gone for FOUR MONTHS but you wouldn't know it based on the nuts posting here about how he stole their lunch money or virginity...

He and Republican leadership are still propagating lies about the election. The Jan 6 investigation is an attempt by Dems to expose those lies and give Americans a factual narrative

He can say whatever he likes as a citizen with first amendment rights. However it has no influence over our current congress on ANY issue that matters. Dems have control and need to govern rather than playing nanananabooboo with Trump.

Nobody is calling for criminal charges to be filed against Trump for his lies but they are pushing back against them. And when leadership propagates those lies which results in undermining the public confidence in our elections the it’s an issue to be taken seriously.

I'm sort of in the middle here.. . .

The right is sure that Trump won.

The left says this is a lie.

When the corporate cabal is honest, and values the process over profits, integrity over politics, when they allow those who support Trump, to have their demands met for a full exposure of how the election was conducted, including having the source code revealed. . . as a bystander, I will be satisfied.

. . . but? Calling something a "lie," until it is proven so? I am not convinced. I remember when the right called all of the left's criticisms of the 2000 and 2004's election irregularities, "lies," and again, nothing was done about it. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The only difference? Their candidate is not backing down.

So, excuse me if I don't just accept the propaganda of the corporatacracy and the establishment.

Trump? He's acts the fool, sure. But Biden and his corporate masters are tyrants. I don't trust or believe any of them.

It’s a lie just for the fact that it hasn’t been proven yet is being sold as a stolen election that Trump won. So even if that statement is true and there was some kind of hack or vast conspiracy that swung the election, those calling it stolen, like it’s fact, without the evidence to prove those claims, are lying.

The fraud claims were given a chance. Over 60 judges were presented cases and not one was legit enough to even warrant a trial. Our intel agencies including Barr all said the election was legit and there is no evidence of a stolen election. We know Trump. We know he lies. We saw him set up the “rigged election” narrative in 2016 when he thought he was going to lose. We saw him try and set up a voting fraud commission to show that he actually won the popular vote. It failed. Now we predicted and saw him use the same playbook for the 2020 election. Nothing will ever satisfy the crazy here. You can look at source code or do recounts and audits in every county and there will still be seeds of doubt planted and claims of a stolen election.

You seem like a fair minded person. You’ve got to see the game being played here... right?

You keep repeating yourself and the Democrats and RINOs keep doing everything they can to block audits and investigations. The guilt might as well be tattooed on their foreheads.

You have your third count going on in AZ right now. After it flops you’ll move on to something else that I will mock you about

What makes you think it is going to flop? There must be something there when so many are trying so hard to stop it. A child could figure that out. Do you know any that could help explain it to you?

Because the election process has safeguards and Trump is a horrific liar. The game he is playing is obvious. AZ will flop but I have no doubt you will find some lame excuse

Our biggest concern? Should be if it doesn't flop.

. . . if it doesn't flop, it means one of two things.

A) The election had no integrity.

B) The Deep State is screwing with everyone, on the left AND the right, to make it so that they will put in new, even more draconian control over our elections and all of our lives to control who leads us. . . IOW, they are purposely creating all this chaos.


Who the hell can be sure which it is. . . as no one can be trusted.

You realize the election is a compilation of many hundred independent districts with in 50 different states,right? It’s not one processes that the cabal can control.
Per your concerns, yes it would be a concern if something serious shows up in the recount. I seriously doubt anything will.

Will you have concerns if nothing shows up but perhaps some Minor insignificant discrepancies? Would you be concerned about the tremendous effort being put forth to undermine the public confidence in our elections?

Yes, I realize the election is composed of multiple jurisdictions, but they are all run under the respective supervision of the various authorities of centralized state authorities. Thus, just 50 bureaucracies running things.

I had a friend point out.. . that yeah, it is concerning, even if nothing shows up with shit like this. . it IS still concerning, isn't it?

... aren't you concerned?

There is a tremendous amount of effort being put forth to make folks question this election, just like they made folks believe "Russia," had something to do with the election of Trump. What does that say to you?

All I can say, is what I have recommended to other lefties or folks who believe in state/establishment/corporate media narratives. Go to YouTube or Google the documentary by the Emmy award winning documentarian David Earnhardt, Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections (2008). Learn from it, and think about its implications in our current paradigm, and about the motives of the elites, the oligarchs, and the establishment's goals. Don't be so naive. It is about process, not politics.


ORDO AB CHAO.

The effort to cast doubt into this election is all centered around Trumps ego. Trump doesn’t admit defeat, we allow know this. He always sets up a fall guy to blame, We know this. How can so many be so stupid to run with this stuff? You think people who trust the government are naive?! Come on.

Im not a big government person and I am absolutely skeptical of those in power. But I’m not going to ride this wave of lies. If it was an honest accounting of our elections process I’d be all about it. I have no doubt there is corruption and holes in that system that need to be fixed. I actually think the whole system from
Campaigning on up needs to be rebuilt. But what’s going on now is about Trump and it’s based on lies. I don’t think any good Americans should tolerate it.

There are lots of problems with our system and the fact that you put them on the back burner BECAUSE OF TRUMP shows that you're not serious about addressing them. Trump is gone but our broken system remains.

Focus ffs

I’m not serious about addressing anything that propagates lies to the public. That does more damage than good. If we can have an honest accounting of the situation then I’d be very happy to address it. But to go along with Trumps crap just makes you a useful idiot

Well since I don't follow Trump, have any idea what he is doing and have stated I don't want him to run in 24 that make YOU the fucking idiot for making unfounded assumptions.
YOU are proving not to be a serious person. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP is all you seem to have.

Pathetic

Haha, YOU brought up the comparison of Clinton Gore with what Trump was doing. Get real Gramps, you’re trying too hard

 

[MisterBeale]

Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician I’ve ever encountered

How do you know?

Because I’ve observed... like him or not I’m kind of shocked you wouldn’t see that as obvious

At university. . . one of my multidisciplinary emphasis of study was into the philosophical nature of what we can call. . . erm, "knowledge." (Epistemology, Ontology, Paradigm.)

The very fact that you have, "observed," through, whatever sources you believe are credible, which, generally, are aimed to persons with an eighth grade education or lower, and target folks emotional centers. . .

Without doing a whole lot of investigative work, (I will assume?) about the stake-holders which present you with information, this should be your first warning sign about your perceived consensus reality. "You've observed?" How?

Now, I AM NOT saying, not for one instant, the he doesn't play fast and loose with the truth. But?

The lies of all these other oligarch pols?



Get out of here already. That was the point of this whole operation. It was to have you trust the CFR media again. It was to have the MSM politicians make the establishment profitable again. These MSM sources don't expose their lies, they never have, they never will. But I have always looked into THAT corruption.

. . . and Trump was never good for their bottom line. Time magazine (a CFR member publication,) all but admitted to that.

 

[Slade3200]

Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician I’ve ever encountered

How do you know?

Because I’ve observed... like him or not I’m kind of shocked you wouldn’t see that as obvious

At university. . . one of my multidisciplinary emphasis of study was into the philosophical nature of what we can call. . . erm, "knowledge." (Epistemology, Ontology, Paradigm.)

The very fact that you have, "observed," through, whatever sources you believe are credible, which, generally, are aimed to persons with an eighth grade education or lower, and target folks emotional centers. . .

Without doing a whole lot of investigative work, (I will assume?) about the stake-holders which present you with information, this should be your first warning sign about your perceived consensus reality. "You've observed?" How?

Now, I AM NOT saying, not for one instant, the he doesn't play fast and loose with the truth. But?

The lies of all these other oligarch pols?



Get out of here already. That was the point of this whole operation. It was to have you trust the CFR media again. It was to have the MSM politicians make the establishment profitable again. These MSM sources don't expose their lies, they never have, they never will. But I have always looked into THAT corruption.

. . . and Trump was never good for their bottom line. Time magazine (a CFR member publication,) all but admitted to that.

Well you what they say about assumptions...

You assume I’m trusting media analysis and what they tell me is happening. You assume wrong. I observe what people say, I see their body language, how they answer questions, how they recall events and how they follow up with past statements. Media has nothing to do with Trump being a horrific liar. Watch any of his speeches and you will lose count of tracking the falsehoods. Yes he is far worse that other politicians by shear volume and magnitude and constancy and degree

 

[MisterBeale]

Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician I’ve ever encountered

How do you know?

Because I’ve observed... like him or not I’m kind of shocked you wouldn’t see that as obvious

At university. . . one of my multidisciplinary emphasis of study was into the philosophical nature of what we can call. . . erm, "knowledge." (Epistemology, Ontology, Paradigm.)

The very fact that you have, "observed," through, whatever sources you believe are credible, which, generally, are aimed to persons with an eighth grade education or lower, and target folks emotional centers. . .

Without doing a whole lot of investigative work, (I will assume?) about the stake-holders which present you with information, this should be your first warning sign about your perceived consensus reality. "You've observed?" How?

Now, I AM NOT saying, not for one instant, the he doesn't play fast and loose with the truth. But?

The lies of all these other oligarch pols?



Get out of here already. That was the point of this whole operation. It was to have you trust the CFR media again. It was to have the MSM politicians make the establishment profitable again. These MSM sources don't expose their lies, they never have, they never will. But I have always looked into THAT corruption.

. . . and Trump was never good for their bottom line. Time magazine (a CFR member publication,) all but admitted to that.

Well you what they say about assumptions...

You assume I’m trusting media analysis and what they tell me is happening. You assume wrong. I observe what people say, I see their body language, how they answer questions, how they recall events and how they follow up with past statements. Media has nothing to do with Trump being a horrific liar. Watch any of his speeches and you will lose count of tracking the falsehoods. Yes he is far worse that other politicians by shear volume and magnitude and constancy and degree

Him being an entertainer, a clown, and an American demagogue have no bearing on the mammoth deceptions of the establishment, the corporations and other politicians we have had.

If you can perceive his lies, his bad acting, and his demagoguery? It does not make you special, it makes you easily distracted from the man behind the curtain which is the root of the problem, and always has been.

. . and the beat will go on.

 

[Slade3200]

Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician I’ve ever encountered

How do you know?

Because I’ve observed... like him or not I’m kind of shocked you wouldn’t see that as obvious

At university. . . one of my multidisciplinary emphasis of study was into the philosophical nature of what we can call. . . erm, "knowledge." (Epistemology, Ontology, Paradigm.)

The very fact that you have, "observed," through, whatever sources you believe are credible, which, generally, are aimed to persons with an eighth grade education or lower, and target folks emotional centers. . .

Without doing a whole lot of investigative work, (I will assume?) about the stake-holders which present you with information, this should be your first warning sign about your perceived consensus reality. "You've observed?" How?

Now, I AM NOT saying, not for one instant, the he doesn't play fast and loose with the truth. But?

The lies of all these other oligarch pols?



Get out of here already. That was the point of this whole operation. It was to have you trust the CFR media again. It was to have the MSM politicians make the establishment profitable again. These MSM sources don't expose their lies, they never have, they never will. But I have always looked into THAT corruption.

. . . and Trump was never good for their bottom line. Time magazine (a CFR member publication,) all but admitted to that.

Well you what they say about assumptions...

You assume I’m trusting media analysis and what they tell me is happening. You assume wrong. I observe what people say, I see their body language, how they answer questions, how they recall events and how they follow up with past statements. Media has nothing to do with Trump being a horrific liar. Watch any of his speeches and you will lose count of tracking the falsehoods. Yes he is far worse that other politicians by shear volume and magnitude and constancy and degree

Him being an entertainer, a clown, and an American demagogue have no bearing on the mammoth deceptions of the establishment, the corporations and other politicians we have had.

If you can perceive his lies, his bad acting, and his demagoguery? It does not make you special, it makes you easily distracted from the man behind the curtain which is the root of the problem, and always has been.

. . and the beat will go on.

I agree with you about one thing there... Trump was a bad actor and a massive distraction. Glad to see him gone and hope he stays out of the political picture. Also happy to keep scrutinizing the establishment and those pulling the strings.

 

[MisterBeale]

Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician I’ve ever encountered

How do you know?

Because I’ve observed... like him or not I’m kind of shocked you wouldn’t see that as obvious

At university. . . one of my multidisciplinary emphasis of study was into the philosophical nature of what we can call. . . erm, "knowledge." (Epistemology, Ontology, Paradigm.)

The very fact that you have, "observed," through, whatever sources you believe are credible, which, generally, are aimed to persons with an eighth grade education or lower, and target folks emotional centers. . .

Without doing a whole lot of investigative work, (I will assume?) about the stake-holders which present you with information, this should be your first warning sign about your perceived consensus reality. "You've observed?" How?

Now, I AM NOT saying, not for one instant, the he doesn't play fast and loose with the truth. But?

The lies of all these other oligarch pols?



Get out of here already. That was the point of this whole operation. It was to have you trust the CFR media again. It was to have the MSM politicians make the establishment profitable again. These MSM sources don't expose their lies, they never have, they never will. But I have always looked into THAT corruption.

. . . and Trump was never good for their bottom line. Time magazine (a CFR member publication,) all but admitted to that.

Well you what they say about assumptions...

You assume I’m trusting media analysis and what they tell me is happening. You assume wrong. I observe what people say, I see their body language, how they answer questions, how they recall events and how they follow up with past statements. Media has nothing to do with Trump being a horrific liar. Watch any of his speeches and you will lose count of tracking the falsehoods. Yes he is far worse that other politicians by shear volume and magnitude and constancy and degree

Him being an entertainer, a clown, and an American demagogue have no bearing on the mammoth deceptions of the establishment, the corporations and other politicians we have had.

If you can perceive his lies, his bad acting, and his demagoguery? It does not make you special, it makes you easily distracted from the man behind the curtain which is the root of the problem, and always has been.

. . and the beat will go on.

I agree with you about one thing there... Trump was a bad actor and a massive distraction. Glad to see him gone and hope he stays out of the political picture. Also happy to keep scrutinizing the establishment and those pulling the strings.

Doubt it.

Biden's first few months in office have been worse than Trump's whole four years. . . and few have noticed or cared.

It's like all this establishment pent up rage is being released. . . and collectively, the whole nation so worn out, they just don't give a shit.

 

[Slade3200]

Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician I’ve ever encountered

How do you know?

Because I’ve observed... like him or not I’m kind of shocked you wouldn’t see that as obvious

At university. . . one of my multidisciplinary emphasis of study was into the philosophical nature of what we can call. . . erm, "knowledge." (Epistemology, Ontology, Paradigm.)

The very fact that you have, "observed," through, whatever sources you believe are credible, which, generally, are aimed to persons with an eighth grade education or lower, and target folks emotional centers. . .

Without doing a whole lot of investigative work, (I will assume?) about the stake-holders which present you with information, this should be your first warning sign about your perceived consensus reality. "You've observed?" How?

Now, I AM NOT saying, not for one instant, the he doesn't play fast and loose with the truth. But?

The lies of all these other oligarch pols?



Get out of here already. That was the point of this whole operation. It was to have you trust the CFR media again. It was to have the MSM politicians make the establishment profitable again. These MSM sources don't expose their lies, they never have, they never will. But I have always looked into THAT corruption.

. . . and Trump was never good for their bottom line. Time magazine (a CFR member publication,) all but admitted to that.

Well you what they say about assumptions...

You assume I’m trusting media analysis and what they tell me is happening. You assume wrong. I observe what people say, I see their body language, how they answer questions, how they recall events and how they follow up with past statements. Media has nothing to do with Trump being a horrific liar. Watch any of his speeches and you will lose count of tracking the falsehoods. Yes he is far worse that other politicians by shear volume and magnitude and constancy and degree

Him being an entertainer, a clown, and an American demagogue have no bearing on the mammoth deceptions of the establishment, the corporations and other politicians we have had.

If you can perceive his lies, his bad acting, and his demagoguery? It does not make you special, it makes you easily distracted from the man behind the curtain which is the root of the problem, and always has been.

. . and the beat will go on.

I agree with you about one thing there... Trump was a bad actor and a massive distraction. Glad to see him gone and hope he stays out of the political picture. Also happy to keep scrutinizing the establishment and those pulling the strings.

Doubt it.

Biden's first few months in office have been worse than Trump's whole four years. . . and few have noticed or cared.

It's like all this establishment pent up rage is being released. . . and collectively, the whole nation so worn out, they just don't give a shit.

Agreed, most people don’t really care. That’s because what the clowns in Washington do doesn’t really matter that much. Best for people to chill out and focus on their own day to day where the real shit happens

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It’s understandable why people have had it with Trump. He just lies about everything. His supporters don’t care because it riles up the left which is why they love Trump. But in the real world lies and conspiracies are dangerous things. The Jan 6th riot and 2020 election have had false narratives around them for months that are now being parroted by leadership. That needs to be squashed and we need to strive for accountability and honesty not the current atmosphere of fight for power at all costs.

He's been gone for FOUR MONTHS but you wouldn't know it based on the nuts posting here about how he stole their lunch money or virginity...

He and Republican leadership are still propagating lies about the election. The Jan 6 investigation is an attempt by Dems to expose those lies and give Americans a factual narrative

He can say whatever he likes as a citizen with first amendment rights. However it has no influence over our current congress on ANY issue that matters. Dems have control and need to govern rather than playing nanananabooboo with Trump.

Nobody is calling for criminal charges to be filed against Trump for his lies but they are pushing back against them. And when leadership propagates those lies which results in undermining the public confidence in our elections the it’s an issue to be taken seriously.

I'm sort of in the middle here.. . .

The right is sure that Trump won.

The left says this is a lie.

When the corporate cabal is honest, and values the process over profits, integrity over politics, when they allow those who support Trump, to have their demands met for a full exposure of how the election was conducted, including having the source code revealed. . . as a bystander, I will be satisfied.

. . . but? Calling something a "lie," until it is proven so? I am not convinced. I remember when the right called all of the left's criticisms of the 2000 and 2004's election irregularities, "lies," and again, nothing was done about it. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The only difference? Their candidate is not backing down.

So, excuse me if I don't just accept the propaganda of the corporatacracy and the establishment.

Trump? He's acts the fool, sure. But Biden and his corporate masters are tyrants. I don't trust or believe any of them.

It’s a lie just for the fact that it hasn’t been proven yet is being sold as a stolen election that Trump won. So even if that statement is true and there was some kind of hack or vast conspiracy that swung the election, those calling it stolen, like it’s fact, without the evidence to prove those claims, are lying.

The fraud claims were given a chance. Over 60 judges were presented cases and not one was legit enough to even warrant a trial. Our intel agencies including Barr all said the election was legit and there is no evidence of a stolen election. We know Trump. We know he lies. We saw him set up the “rigged election” narrative in 2016 when he thought he was going to lose. We saw him try and set up a voting fraud commission to show that he actually won the popular vote. It failed. Now we predicted and saw him use the same playbook for the 2020 election. Nothing will ever satisfy the crazy here. You can look at source code or do recounts and audits in every county and there will still be seeds of doubt planted and claims of a stolen election.

You seem like a fair minded person. You’ve got to see the game being played here... right?

You keep repeating yourself and the Democrats and RINOs keep doing everything they can to block audits and investigations. The guilt might as well be tattooed on their foreheads.

You have your third count going on in AZ right now. After it flops you’ll move on to something else that I will mock you about

What makes you think it is going to flop? There must be something there when so many are trying so hard to stop it. A child could figure that out. Do you know any that could help explain it to you?

Because the election process has safeguards and Trump is a horrific liar. The game he is playing is obvious. AZ will flop but I have no doubt you will find some lame excuse

Our biggest concern? Should be if it doesn't flop.

. . . if it doesn't flop, it means one of two things.

A) The election had no integrity.

B) The Deep State is screwing with everyone, on the left AND the right, to make it so that they will put in new, even more draconian control over our elections and all of our lives to control who leads us. . . IOW, they are purposely creating all this chaos.


Who the hell can be sure which it is. . . as no one can be trusted.

You realize the election is a compilation of many hundred independent districts with in 50 different states,right? It’s not one processes that the cabal can control.
Per your concerns, yes it would be a concern if something serious shows up in the recount. I seriously doubt anything will.

Will you have concerns if nothing shows up but perhaps some Minor insignificant discrepancies? Would you be concerned about the tremendous effort being put forth to undermine the public confidence in our elections?

Yes, I realize the election is composed of multiple jurisdictions, but they are all run under the respective supervision of the various authorities of centralized state authorities. Thus, just 50 bureaucracies running things.

I had a friend point out.. . that yeah, it is concerning, even if nothing shows up with shit like this. . it IS still concerning, isn't it?

... aren't you concerned?

There is a tremendous amount of effort being put forth to make folks question this election, just like they made folks believe "Russia," had something to do with the election of Trump. What does that say to you?

All I can say, is what I have recommended to other lefties or folks who believe in state/establishment/corporate media narratives. Go to YouTube or Google the documentary by the Emmy award winning documentarian David Earnhardt, Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections (2008). Learn from it, and think about its implications in our current paradigm, and about the motives of the elites, the oligarchs, and the establishment's goals. Don't be so naive. It is about process, not politics.


ORDO AB CHAO.

The effort to cast doubt into this election is all centered around Trumps ego. Trump doesn’t admit defeat, we allow know this. He always sets up a fall guy to blame, We know this. How can so many be so stupid to run with this stuff? You think people who trust the government are naive?! Come on.

Im not a big government person and I am absolutely skeptical of those in power. But I’m not going to ride this wave of lies. If it was an honest accounting of our elections process I’d be all about it. I have no doubt there is corruption and holes in that system that need to be fixed. I actually think the whole system from
Campaigning on up needs to be rebuilt. But what’s going on now is about Trump and it’s based on lies. I don’t think any good Americans should tolerate it.

There are lots of problems with our system and the fact that you put them on the back burner BECAUSE OF TRUMP shows that you're not serious about addressing them. Trump is gone but our broken system remains.

Focus ffs

I’m not serious about addressing anything that propagates lies to the public. That does more damage than good. If we can have an honest accounting of the situation then I’d be very happy to address it. But to go along with Trumps crap just makes you a useful idiot

Well since I don't follow Trump, have any idea what he is doing and have stated I don't want him to run in 24 that make YOU the fucking idiot for making unfounded assumptions.
YOU are proving not to be a serious person. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP is all you seem to have.

Pathetic

Haha, YOU brought up the comparison of Clinton Gore with what Trump was doing. Get real Gramps, you’re trying too hard

Yes, I entertained your OFF TOPIC RESPONSE, but at the end of the discussion you posted NOTHING relevant to the topic.
All you have are off topic diversions because you can't refute the op. Seems you are broken as well.

 

[Slade3200]

Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It’s understandable why people have had it with Trump. He just lies about everything. His supporters don’t care because it riles up the left which is why they love Trump. But in the real world lies and conspiracies are dangerous things. The Jan 6th riot and 2020 election have had false narratives around them for months that are now being parroted by leadership. That needs to be squashed and we need to strive for accountability and honesty not the current atmosphere of fight for power at all costs.

He's been gone for FOUR MONTHS but you wouldn't know it based on the nuts posting here about how he stole their lunch money or virginity...

He and Republican leadership are still propagating lies about the election. The Jan 6 investigation is an attempt by Dems to expose those lies and give Americans a factual narrative

He can say whatever he likes as a citizen with first amendment rights. However it has no influence over our current congress on ANY issue that matters. Dems have control and need to govern rather than playing nanananabooboo with Trump.

Nobody is calling for criminal charges to be filed against Trump for his lies but they are pushing back against them. And when leadership propagates those lies which results in undermining the public confidence in our elections the it’s an issue to be taken seriously.

I'm sort of in the middle here.. . .

The right is sure that Trump won.

The left says this is a lie.

When the corporate cabal is honest, and values the process over profits, integrity over politics, when they allow those who support Trump, to have their demands met for a full exposure of how the election was conducted, including having the source code revealed. . . as a bystander, I will be satisfied.

. . . but? Calling something a "lie," until it is proven so? I am not convinced. I remember when the right called all of the left's criticisms of the 2000 and 2004's election irregularities, "lies," and again, nothing was done about it. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The only difference? Their candidate is not backing down.

So, excuse me if I don't just accept the propaganda of the corporatacracy and the establishment.

Trump? He's acts the fool, sure. But Biden and his corporate masters are tyrants. I don't trust or believe any of them.

It’s a lie just for the fact that it hasn’t been proven yet is being sold as a stolen election that Trump won. So even if that statement is true and there was some kind of hack or vast conspiracy that swung the election, those calling it stolen, like it’s fact, without the evidence to prove those claims, are lying.

The fraud claims were given a chance. Over 60 judges were presented cases and not one was legit enough to even warrant a trial. Our intel agencies including Barr all said the election was legit and there is no evidence of a stolen election. We know Trump. We know he lies. We saw him set up the “rigged election” narrative in 2016 when he thought he was going to lose. We saw him try and set up a voting fraud commission to show that he actually won the popular vote. It failed. Now we predicted and saw him use the same playbook for the 2020 election. Nothing will ever satisfy the crazy here. You can look at source code or do recounts and audits in every county and there will still be seeds of doubt planted and claims of a stolen election.

You seem like a fair minded person. You’ve got to see the game being played here... right?

You keep repeating yourself and the Democrats and RINOs keep doing everything they can to block audits and investigations. The guilt might as well be tattooed on their foreheads.

You have your third count going on in AZ right now. After it flops you’ll move on to something else that I will mock you about

What makes you think it is going to flop? There must be something there when so many are trying so hard to stop it. A child could figure that out. Do you know any that could help explain it to you?

Because the election process has safeguards and Trump is a horrific liar. The game he is playing is obvious. AZ will flop but I have no doubt you will find some lame excuse

Our biggest concern? Should be if it doesn't flop.

. . . if it doesn't flop, it means one of two things.

A) The election had no integrity.

B) The Deep State is screwing with everyone, on the left AND the right, to make it so that they will put in new, even more draconian control over our elections and all of our lives to control who leads us. . . IOW, they are purposely creating all this chaos.


Who the hell can be sure which it is. . . as no one can be trusted.

You realize the election is a compilation of many hundred independent districts with in 50 different states,right? It’s not one processes that the cabal can control.
Per your concerns, yes it would be a concern if something serious shows up in the recount. I seriously doubt anything will.

Will you have concerns if nothing shows up but perhaps some Minor insignificant discrepancies? Would you be concerned about the tremendous effort being put forth to undermine the public confidence in our elections?

Yes, I realize the election is composed of multiple jurisdictions, but they are all run under the respective supervision of the various authorities of centralized state authorities. Thus, just 50 bureaucracies running things.

I had a friend point out.. . that yeah, it is concerning, even if nothing shows up with shit like this. . it IS still concerning, isn't it?

... aren't you concerned?

There is a tremendous amount of effort being put forth to make folks question this election, just like they made folks believe "Russia," had something to do with the election of Trump. What does that say to you?

All I can say, is what I have recommended to other lefties or folks who believe in state/establishment/corporate media narratives. Go to YouTube or Google the documentary by the Emmy award winning documentarian David Earnhardt, Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections (2008). Learn from it, and think about its implications in our current paradigm, and about the motives of the elites, the oligarchs, and the establishment's goals. Don't be so naive. It is about process, not politics.


ORDO AB CHAO.

The effort to cast doubt into this election is all centered around Trumps ego. Trump doesn’t admit defeat, we allow know this. He always sets up a fall guy to blame, We know this. How can so many be so stupid to run with this stuff? You think people who trust the government are naive?! Come on.

Im not a big government person and I am absolutely skeptical of those in power. But I’m not going to ride this wave of lies. If it was an honest accounting of our elections process I’d be all about it. I have no doubt there is corruption and holes in that system that need to be fixed. I actually think the whole system from
Campaigning on up needs to be rebuilt. But what’s going on now is about Trump and it’s based on lies. I don’t think any good Americans should tolerate it.

There are lots of problems with our system and the fact that you put them on the back burner BECAUSE OF TRUMP shows that you're not serious about addressing them. Trump is gone but our broken system remains.

Focus ffs

I’m not serious about addressing anything that propagates lies to the public. That does more damage than good. If we can have an honest accounting of the situation then I’d be very happy to address it. But to go along with Trumps crap just makes you a useful idiot

Well since I don't follow Trump, have any idea what he is doing and have stated I don't want him to run in 24 that make YOU the fucking idiot for making unfounded assumptions.
YOU are proving not to be a serious person. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP is all you seem to have.

Pathetic

Haha, YOU brought up the comparison of Clinton Gore with what Trump was doing. Get real Gramps, you’re trying too hard

Yes, I entertained your OFF TOPIC RESPONSE, but at the end of the discussion you posted NOTHING relevant to the topic.
All you have are off topic diversions because you can't refute the op. Seems you are broken as well.

My response was direct to your statement... so if it was off topic the it was because you opened that door.

 

[Ben Thomson]

Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It has become painfully obvious to me that Donald Trump literally BROKE THE GOP in America​

 

[LA RAM FAN]

And yet again...

EXHIBIT A

You still don't get it, Gramps.

It's about people like you, not him.

Believe whatever helps your feelz.

Who the fuck are you to say "people like you"? You are a nobody who does not even think for himself. Get the fuck out of town.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It has become painfully obvious to me that Donald Trump literally BROKE THE GOP in America​

Yeah he broke the GOP alright the fact he is the greatest GOP president sense Calvin Coolidge who same as coolidge,served the people instead of the corporations. He broke the normal corrupt Gop presidency we have had from all those corrupt GOP presidents for decades now the fact unlike bush and the other normal corrupt gops like him,Romney,graham and murkowski,he is not a globalist as they are who are in bed with Biden and the dem party to destroy America so that is correct,he broke the normal corrupt GOP party we have hador decades now that has been here to destroy America.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It’s understandable why people have had it with Trump. He just lies about everything. His supporters don’t care because it riles up the left which is why they love Trump. But in the real world lies and conspiracies are dangerous things. The Jan 6th riot and 2020 election have had false narratives around them for months that are now being parroted by leadership. That needs to be squashed and we need to strive for accountability and honesty not the current atmosphere of fight for power at all costs.

He's been gone for FOUR MONTHS but you wouldn't know it based on the nuts posting here about how he stole their lunch money or virginity...

He and Republican leadership are still propagating lies about the election. The Jan 6 investigation is an attempt by Dems to expose those lies and give Americans a factual narrative

He can say whatever he likes as a citizen with first amendment rights. However it has no influence over our current congress on ANY issue that matters. Dems have control and need to govern rather than playing nanananabooboo with Trump.

Nobody is calling for criminal charges to be filed against Trump for his lies but they are pushing back against them. And when leadership propagates those lies which results in undermining the public confidence in our elections the it’s an issue to be taken seriously.

I'm sort of in the middle here.. . .

The right is sure that Trump won.

The left says this is a lie.

When the corporate cabal is honest, and values the process over profits, integrity over politics, when they allow those who support Trump, to have their demands met for a full exposure of how the election was conducted, including having the source code revealed. . . as a bystander, I will be satisfied.

. . . but? Calling something a "lie," until it is proven so? I am not convinced. I remember when the right called all of the left's criticisms of the 2000 and 2004's election irregularities, "lies," and again, nothing was done about it. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The only difference? Their candidate is not backing down.

So, excuse me if I don't just accept the propaganda of the corporatacracy and the establishment.

Trump? He's acts the fool, sure. But Biden and his corporate masters are tyrants. I don't trust or believe any of them.

It’s a lie just for the fact that it hasn’t been proven yet is being sold as a stolen election that Trump won. So even if that statement is true and there was some kind of hack or vast conspiracy that swung the election, those calling it stolen, like it’s fact, without the evidence to prove those claims, are lying.

The fraud claims were given a chance. Over 60 judges were presented cases and not one was legit enough to even warrant a trial. Our intel agencies including Barr all said the election was legit and there is no evidence of a stolen election. We know Trump. We know he lies. We saw him set up the “rigged election” narrative in 2016 when he thought he was going to lose. We saw him try and set up a voting fraud commission to show that he actually won the popular vote. It failed. Now we predicted and saw him use the same playbook for the 2020 election. Nothing will ever satisfy the crazy here. You can look at source code or do recounts and audits in every county and there will still be seeds of doubt planted and claims of a stolen election.

You seem like a fair minded person. You’ve got to see the game being played here... right?

You keep repeating yourself and the Democrats and RINOs keep doing everything they can to block audits and investigations. The guilt might as well be tattooed on their foreheads.

You have your third count going on in AZ right now. After it flops you’ll move on to something else that I will mock you about

What makes you think it is going to flop? There must be something there when so many are trying so hard to stop it. A child could figure that out. Do you know any that could help explain it to you?

Because the election process has safeguards and Trump is a horrific liar. The game he is playing is obvious. AZ will flop but I have no doubt you will find some lame excuse

Our biggest concern? Should be if it doesn't flop.

. . . if it doesn't flop, it means one of two things.

A) The election had no integrity.

B) The Deep State is screwing with everyone, on the left AND the right, to make it so that they will put in new, even more draconian control over our elections and all of our lives to control who leads us. . . IOW, they are purposely creating all this chaos.


Who the hell can be sure which it is. . . as no one can be trusted.

You realize the election is a compilation of many hundred independent districts with in 50 different states,right? It’s not one processes that the cabal can control.
Per your concerns, yes it would be a concern if something serious shows up in the recount. I seriously doubt anything will.

Will you have concerns if nothing shows up but perhaps some Minor insignificant discrepancies? Would you be concerned about the tremendous effort being put forth to undermine the public confidence in our elections?

Yes, I realize the election is composed of multiple jurisdictions, but they are all run under the respective supervision of the various authorities of centralized state authorities. Thus, just 50 bureaucracies running things.

I had a friend point out.. . that yeah, it is concerning, even if nothing shows up with shit like this. . it IS still concerning, isn't it?

... aren't you concerned?

There is a tremendous amount of effort being put forth to make folks question this election, just like they made folks believe "Russia," had something to do with the election of Trump. What does that say to you?

All I can say, is what I have recommended to other lefties or folks who believe in state/establishment/corporate media narratives. Go to YouTube or Google the documentary by the Emmy award winning documentarian David Earnhardt, Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections (2008). Learn from it, and think about its implications in our current paradigm, and about the motives of the elites, the oligarchs, and the establishment's goals. Don't be so naive. It is about process, not politics.


ORDO AB CHAO.

The effort to cast doubt into this election is all centered around Trumps ego. Trump doesn’t admit defeat, we allow know this. He always sets up a fall guy to blame, We know this. How can so many be so stupid to run with this stuff? You think people who trust the government are naive?! Come on.

Im not a big government person and I am absolutely skeptical of those in power. But I’m not going to ride this wave of lies. If it was an honest accounting of our elections process I’d be all about it. I have no doubt there is corruption and holes in that system that need to be fixed. I actually think the whole system from
Campaigning on up needs to be rebuilt. But what’s going on now is about Trump and it’s based on lies. I don’t think any good Americans should tolerate it.

There are lots of problems with our system and the fact that you put them on the back burner BECAUSE OF TRUMP shows that you're not serious about addressing them. Trump is gone but our broken system remains.

Focus ffs

I’m not serious about addressing anything that propagates lies to the public. That does more damage than good. If we can have an honest accounting of the situation then I’d be very happy to address it. But to go along with Trumps crap just makes you a useful idiot

Well since I don't follow Trump, have any idea what he is doing and have stated I don't want him to run in 24 that make YOU the fucking idiot for making unfounded assumptions.
YOU are proving not to be a serious person. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP is all you seem to have.

Pathetic

Haha, YOU brought up the comparison of Clinton Gore with what Trump was doing. Get real Gramps, you’re trying too hard

Yes, I entertained your OFF TOPIC RESPONSE, but at the end of the discussion you posted NOTHING relevant to the topic.
All you have are off topic diversions because you can't refute the op. Seems you are broken as well.

He always deflects when he is backed up against the wall unable to refute facts knowing he has been proven wrong.

 

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Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.

Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....

And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?

It’s understandable why people have had it with Trump. He just lies about everything. His supporters don’t care because it riles up the left which is why they love Trump. But in the real world lies and conspiracies are dangerous things. The Jan 6th riot and 2020 election have had false narratives around them for months that are now being parroted by leadership. That needs to be squashed and we need to strive for accountability and honesty not the current atmosphere of fight for power at all costs.

He's been gone for FOUR MONTHS but you wouldn't know it based on the nuts posting here about how he stole their lunch money or virginity...

He and Republican leadership are still propagating lies about the election. The Jan 6 investigation is an attempt by Dems to expose those lies and give Americans a factual narrative

He can say whatever he likes as a citizen with first amendment rights. However it has no influence over our current congress on ANY issue that matters. Dems have control and need to govern rather than playing nanananabooboo with Trump.

Nobody is calling for criminal charges to be filed against Trump for his lies but they are pushing back against them. And when leadership propagates those lies which results in undermining the public confidence in our elections the it’s an issue to be taken seriously.

I'm sort of in the middle here.. . .

The right is sure that Trump won.

The left says this is a lie.

When the corporate cabal is honest, and values the process over profits, integrity over politics, when they allow those who support Trump, to have their demands met for a full exposure of how the election was conducted, including having the source code revealed. . . as a bystander, I will be satisfied.

. . . but? Calling something a "lie," until it is proven so? I am not convinced. I remember when the right called all of the left's criticisms of the 2000 and 2004's election irregularities, "lies," and again, nothing was done about it. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The only difference? Their candidate is not backing down.

So, excuse me if I don't just accept the propaganda of the corporatacracy and the establishment.

Trump? He's acts the fool, sure. But Biden and his corporate masters are tyrants. I don't trust or believe any of them.

It’s a lie just for the fact that it hasn’t been proven yet is being sold as a stolen election that Trump won. So even if that statement is true and there was some kind of hack or vast conspiracy that swung the election, those calling it stolen, like it’s fact, without the evidence to prove those claims, are lying.

The fraud claims were given a chance. Over 60 judges were presented cases and not one was legit enough to even warrant a trial. Our intel agencies including Barr all said the election was legit and there is no evidence of a stolen election. We know Trump. We know he lies. We saw him set up the “rigged election” narrative in 2016 when he thought he was going to lose. We saw him try and set up a voting fraud commission to show that he actually won the popular vote. It failed. Now we predicted and saw him use the same playbook for the 2020 election. Nothing will ever satisfy the crazy here. You can look at source code or do recounts and audits in every county and there will still be seeds of doubt planted and claims of a stolen election.

You seem like a fair minded person. You’ve got to see the game being played here... right?

You keep repeating yourself and the Democrats and RINOs keep doing everything they can to block audits and investigations. The guilt might as well be tattooed on their foreheads.

You have your third count going on in AZ right now. After it flops you’ll move on to something else that I will mock you about

What makes you think it is going to flop? There must be something there when so many are trying so hard to stop it. A child could figure that out. Do you know any that could help explain it to you?

Because the election process has safeguards and Trump is a horrific liar. The game he is playing is obvious. AZ will flop but I have no doubt you will find some lame excuse

Our biggest concern? Should be if it doesn't flop.

. . . if it doesn't flop, it means one of two things.

A) The election had no integrity.

B) The Deep State is screwing with everyone, on the left AND the right, to make it so that they will put in new, even more draconian control over our elections and all of our lives to control who leads us. . . IOW, they are purposely creating all this chaos.


Who the hell can be sure which it is. . . as no one can be trusted.

You realize the election is a compilation of many hundred independent districts with in 50 different states,right? It’s not one processes that the cabal can control.
Per your concerns, yes it would be a concern if something serious shows up in the recount. I seriously doubt anything will.

Will you have concerns if nothing shows up but perhaps some Minor insignificant discrepancies? Would you be concerned about the tremendous effort being put forth to undermine the public confidence in our elections?

Yes, I realize the election is composed of multiple jurisdictions, but they are all run under the respective supervision of the various authorities of centralized state authorities. Thus, just 50 bureaucracies running things.

I had a friend point out.. . that yeah, it is concerning, even if nothing shows up with shit like this. . it IS still concerning, isn't it?

... aren't you concerned?

There is a tremendous amount of effort being put forth to make folks question this election, just like they made folks believe "Russia," had something to do with the election of Trump. What does that say to you?

All I can say, is what I have recommended to other lefties or folks who believe in state/establishment/corporate media narratives. Go to YouTube or Google the documentary by the Emmy award winning documentarian David Earnhardt, Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections (2008). Learn from it, and think about its implications in our current paradigm, and about the motives of the elites, the oligarchs, and the establishment's goals. Don't be so naive. It is about process, not politics.


ORDO AB CHAO.

The effort to cast doubt into this election is all centered around Trumps ego. Trump doesn’t admit defeat, we allow know this. He always sets up a fall guy to blame, We know this. How can so many be so stupid to run with this stuff? You think people who trust the government are naive?! Come on.

Im not a big government person and I am absolutely skeptical of those in power. But I’m not going to ride this wave of lies. If it was an honest accounting of our elections process I’d be all about it. I have no doubt there is corruption and holes in that system that need to be fixed. I actually think the whole system from
Campaigning on up needs to be rebuilt. But what’s going on now is about Trump and it’s based on lies. I don’t think any good Americans should tolerate it.

There are lots of problems with our system and the fact that you put them on the back burner BECAUSE OF TRUMP shows that you're not serious about addressing them. Trump is gone but our broken system remains.

Focus ffs

I’m not serious about addressing anything that propagates lies to the public. That does more damage than good. If we can have an honest accounting of the situation then I’d be very happy to address it. But to go along with Trumps crap just makes you a useful idiot

Well since I don't follow Trump, have any idea what he is doing and have stated I don't want him to run in 24 that make YOU the fucking idiot for making unfounded assumptions.
YOU are proving not to be a serious person. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP is all you seem to have.

Pathetic

Haha, YOU brought up the comparison of Clinton Gore with what Trump was doing. Get real Gramps, you’re trying too hard

Yes, I entertained your OFF TOPIC RESPONSE, but at the end of the discussion you posted NOTHING relevant to the topic.
All you have are off topic diversions because you can't refute the op. Seems you are broken as well.

He always deflects when he is backed up against the wall unable to refute facts knowing he has been proven wrong.

How did I deflect?!