Israel's Legal & Ethical Right To Exist

[abi]

Usual duck.

How was Palestine a state in the early or mid 20s?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Usual duck.

How was Palestine a state in the early or mid 20s?

Post WWI treaties created successor states in that region, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Palestine. Each one was defined by international borders. The treaty of Lausanne ceded territory to those states and stipulated that the normal residents would be the citizens of their respective states. The Palestinian Citizenship Order of 1925 gave the Palestinians citizenship in Palestine.

 

[abi]

The Palestinian Citizenship Order of 1925 gave the Palestinians citizenship in Palestine.

Palestinian Citizenship Order, 1925 - Wikipedia

Awesome, thank-you, thank-you.

 

[abi]

Each one was defined by international borders.

Is there a map showing this?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Each one was defined by international borders.

Is there a map showing this?

This is a 1946 map of Palestine that also shows the proposed partition plan that did not happen.

Note the symbol for the international borders in the legend.

 

[abi]

This is a 1946 map of Palestine that also shows the proposed partition plan that did not happen.

Note the symbol for the international borders in the legend.

Awesome, so, based on the treaties alone, were those international borders ever recognized by the international community? By the zionists? Anyone?

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is a 1946 map of Palestine that also shows the proposed partition plan that did not happen.

Note the symbol for the international borders in the legend.

Awesome, so, based on the treaties alone, were those international borders ever recognized by the international community? By the zionists? Anyone?

They were. Israel is always defined by armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries. Those are de-facto borders.

The 1949 UN Armistice Agreements referenced the International borders to determine the location of some of the armistice lines.

Article V
1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949​

 

[Hollie]

Usual duck.

How was Palestine a state in the early or mid 20s?

Post WWI treaties created successor states in that region, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Palestine. Each one was defined by international borders. The treaty of Lausanne ceded territory to those states and stipulated that the normal residents would be the citizens of their respective states. The Palestinian Citizenship Order of 1925 gave the Palestinians citizenship in Palestine.

After all the various times you have attempted to promote this fraud and failed, you finally found a gullible audience.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Usual duck.

How was Palestine a state in the early or mid 20s?

Post WWI treaties created successor states in that region, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Palestine. Each one was defined by international borders. The treaty of Lausanne ceded territory to those states and stipulated that the normal residents would be the citizens of their respective states. The Palestinian Citizenship Order of 1925 gave the Palestinians citizenship in Palestine.

After all the various times you have attempted to promote this fraud and failed, you finally found a gullible audience.

I am just using official sources.

What do you have?

 

[Shusha]

Usual duck.

How was Palestine a state in the early or mid 20s?

Post WWI treaties created successor states in that region, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Palestine. Each one was defined by international borders. The treaty of Lausanne ceded territory to those states and stipulated that the normal residents would be the citizens of their respective states. The Palestinian Citizenship Order of 1925 gave the Palestinians citizenship in Palestine.

The Treaty of Lausanne did NOT cede territory to Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan or "Palestine". That is a blatant lie and you know it since we discussed this not more than a month ago, and I posted the proof as direct quotes from the Treaty itself. It is astounding to me that you can be proven wrong (again and again) and yet still come here and post the same lies.

The Palestinian Citizenship Order, did indeed confirm all residents as citizens, based on the nationality requirement in the Mandate. These residents included all of the Jewish immigrants. The purpose of all this was to build a Jewish National Home based on the Jewish people's inherent right to re-constitute their nation based on an historical right.

 

[P F Tinmore]

These residents included all of the Jewish immigrants. The purpose of all this was to build a Jewish National Home based on the Jewish people's inherent right to re-constitute their nation based on an historical right.

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLeGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine".

 

[Linkiloo]

Who cares about these historical discussions anyway? Just let the islamists live in this fantasy world where Israel doesn't have a right to exist and watch the Palestinians remain poor (except for their corrupt leaders), uneducated and miserable. The Palestinians really need friends like this.

 

[rylah]

These residents included all of the Jewish immigrants. The purpose of all this was to build a Jewish National Home based on the Jewish people's inherent right to re-constitute their nation based on an historical right.

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLeGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine".

I'm not sure it was Hamas or Fatah that issued that oath, neither the citizenship order.
The govt of Palestine in 1924 was the British Mandate.

Q. How many people in Palestine, do You assume, actually made that oath? How many Arabs and Jews swore to be loyal to Britain?

 

[P F Tinmore]

These residents included all of the Jewish immigrants. The purpose of all this was to build a Jewish National Home based on the Jewish people's inherent right to re-constitute their nation based on an historical right.

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLeGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine".

I'm not sure it was Hamas or Fatah that issued that oath, neither the citizenship order.
The govt of Palestine in 1924 was the British Mandate.

Q. How many people in Palestine, do You assume, actually made that oath? How many Arabs and Jews swore to be loyal to Britain?

They weren't British citizens. They were Palestinian citizens.

 

[rylah]

These residents included all of the Jewish immigrants. The purpose of all this was to build a Jewish National Home based on the Jewish people's inherent right to re-constitute their nation based on an historical right.

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLeGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine".

I'm not sure it was Hamas or Fatah that issued that oath, neither the citizenship order.
The govt of Palestine in 1924 was the British Mandate.

Q. How many people in Palestine, do You assume, actually made that oath? How many Arabs and Jews swore to be loyal to Britain?

They weren't British citizens. They were Palestinian citizens.

Of a British Mandate...You seem to flipflop too much.
Arabs and Jews fought against the British govt in Palestine.

Q. How many people, do You assume, actually made that oath?

 

[P F Tinmore]

These residents included all of the Jewish immigrants. The purpose of all this was to build a Jewish National Home based on the Jewish people's inherent right to re-constitute their nation based on an historical right.

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLeGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine".

I'm not sure it was Hamas or Fatah that issued that oath, neither the citizenship order.
The govt of Palestine in 1924 was the British Mandate.

Q. How many people in Palestine, do You assume, actually made that oath? How many Arabs and Jews swore to be loyal to Britain?

They weren't British citizens. They were Palestinian citizens.

Of a British Mandate...You seem to flipflop too much.
Arabs and Jews fought against the British govt in Palestine.

Q. How many people, do You assume, actually made that oath?

Britain was the trustee for Palestine. Trustees administer but do not own anything.

Good question. Many Jews never got citizenship and colonial settlers got theirs fraudulently.

 

[rylah]

These residents included all of the Jewish immigrants. The purpose of all this was to build a Jewish National Home based on the Jewish people's inherent right to re-constitute their nation based on an historical right.

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLeGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine".

I'm not sure it was Hamas or Fatah that issued that oath, neither the citizenship order.
The govt of Palestine in 1924 was the British Mandate.

Q. How many people in Palestine, do You assume, actually made that oath? How many Arabs and Jews swore to be loyal to Britain?

They weren't British citizens. They were Palestinian citizens.

Of a British Mandate...You seem to flipflop too much.
Arabs and Jews fought against the British govt in Palestine.

Q. How many people, do You assume, actually made that oath?

Britain was the trustee for Palestine. Trustees administer but do not own anything.

Good question. Many Jews never got citizenship and colonial settlers got theirs fraudulently.

Exactly my point, the number of passports issued was insignificant.
Nobody made that oath except for those, I assume, who had the motive to get a British travel passport. And the number of passports issued was insignificant.

I'll exaggerate to make a point - no Palestinian Arab or Palestinian Jew ever made that oath.
Both people fought the British govt in Palestine for their own reasons, after Ottoman capitulation both people saw it as irrelevant.

* Your fixation on Jews is showing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLeGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine".

I'm not sure it was Hamas or Fatah that issued that oath, neither the citizenship order.
The govt of Palestine in 1924 was the British Mandate.

Q. How many people in Palestine, do You assume, actually made that oath? How many Arabs and Jews swore to be loyal to Britain?

They weren't British citizens. They were Palestinian citizens.

Of a British Mandate...You seem to flipflop too much.
Arabs and Jews fought against the British govt in Palestine.

Q. How many people, do You assume, actually made that oath?

Britain was the trustee for Palestine. Trustees administer but do not own anything.

Good question. Many Jews never got citizenship and colonial settlers got theirs fraudulently.

Exactly my point, the number of passports issued was insignificant.
Nobody made that oath except for those, I assume, who had the motive to get a British travel passport. And the number of passports issued was insignificant.

I'll exaggerate to make a point - no Palestinian Arab or Palestinian Jew ever made that oath.
Both people fought the British govt in Palestine for their own reasons, after Ottoman capitulation both people saw it as irrelevant.

* Your fixation on Jews is showing.

The oath was only for immigrants.

 

[rylah]

I'm not sure it was Hamas or Fatah that issued that oath, neither the citizenship order.
The govt of Palestine in 1924 was the British Mandate.

Q. How many people in Palestine, do You assume, actually made that oath? How many Arabs and Jews swore to be loyal to Britain?

They weren't British citizens. They were Palestinian citizens.

Of a British Mandate...You seem to flipflop too much.
Arabs and Jews fought against the British govt in Palestine.

Q. How many people, do You assume, actually made that oath?

Britain was the trustee for Palestine. Trustees administer but do not own anything.

Good question. Many Jews never got citizenship and colonial settlers got theirs fraudulently.

Exactly my point, the number of passports issued was insignificant.
Nobody made that oath except for those, I assume, who had the motive to get a British travel passport. And the number of passports issued was insignificant.

I'll exaggerate to make a point - no Palestinian Arab or Palestinian Jew ever made that oath.
Both people fought the British govt in Palestine for their own reasons, after Ottoman capitulation both people saw it as irrelevant.

* Your fixation on Jews is showing.

The oath was only for immigrants.

I don't think so:

(1) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August 1924 shall
become Palestine citizens.

Q. How many Arabs and Jews received the Mandate passport or made the oath?

 

[P F Tinmore]

They weren't British citizens. They were Palestinian citizens.

Of a British Mandate...You seem to flipflop too much.
Arabs and Jews fought against the British govt in Palestine.

Q. How many people, do You assume, actually made that oath?

Britain was the trustee for Palestine. Trustees administer but do not own anything.

Good question. Many Jews never got citizenship and colonial settlers got theirs fraudulently.

Exactly my point, the number of passports issued was insignificant.
Nobody made that oath except for those, I assume, who had the motive to get a British travel passport. And the number of passports issued was insignificant.

I'll exaggerate to make a point - no Palestinian Arab or Palestinian Jew ever made that oath.
Both people fought the British govt in Palestine for their own reasons, after Ottoman capitulation both people saw it as irrelevant.

* Your fixation on Jews is showing.

The oath was only for immigrants.

I don't think so:

(1) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August 1924 shall
become Palestine citizens.

Q. How many Arabs and Jews received the Mandate passport or made the oath?

Natural citizens including Muslims, Christians, and Jews did not have to take the oath.