Is Trump even eligible to receive a presidential pardon?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump exchanged pardons for people withholding legal testimony.

Which is actually much worse. As it was an obstruction of justice.

Bullshit! You have no proof of that! What testimony?

It's all contained and meticulously documented in the Mueller report.

On January 25, 2019, Stone was arrested at his Fort Lauderdale, Florida, home in connection with Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation and charged in an indictment with witness tampering, obstructing an official proceeding, and five counts of making false statements.
In November 2019 a jury convicted him on all seven felony counts

So? None of that has to do with Trump's pardon of him.

You make shit up to fit your deluded "theories".

 

[Indeependent]

Listen dumbass! He cannot pardon him from the impeachment! He CAN pardon him from any convictions for crimes AFTER he was removed from office. My God, you are as stupid as a brick!

The exception for cases of impeachment prior to the impeachment, as you noted, but after conviction is also guided by article 2 section 3

but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

If a president could pardon the impeached and convicted, then that violates the "SHALL" requirement. So clearly the only way to reconcile the two clauses is to exclude pardons for those impeached and convicted. And cases of impeachment begin long before conviction.

The usual attention span problem of Liberals...
You pulled a fragment of a paragraph out of context because it pleases your emotions.

 

[Care4all]

You're right, however I have seen a couple of legal pundits say that in the case of pardoning complicit cronies in order to silence them can be investigated if not overturned. And Rudy is in bigly trouble whether Donald pardons him or not in the State of NY.

Investigated YES, but the pardon itself is not subject to legal review or judgement. There was even a case made after Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, that an ex-president, could be impeached after leaving office. Since one of the judgments of the senate would be to prohibit him from ever holding another federal office.

I don't think it likely in todays political climate, but there is an argument in that an ex-president remains on the federal payroll.

if a bribe was committed, then the pardon can be denied.

if Trump and say Manafort, had a deal that he would stay silent on Trump's doings and not help the prosecution, for Trump to later pardon him is illegal. quid pro quo.

 

[meaner gene]

Bullshit! You have no proof of that! What testimony?

Are you intent on showing the entire board what a mental midget you are?

Trump dangled pardons to everyone charged by Mueller. He called those who signed Plea Agreements and who cooperated with the Mueller Investigation "rats", and threatened their families, and promised to take care of those who didn't turn state's evidence. He tried to permanent jail and muzzle Micheal Cohen, and others who refused his offers. Rick Gates, who did cooperate with the FBI, but didn't directly implicate Trump, has not been pardoned, but Stone, who lied to the FBI, Congress, and committed perjury in his trial, has been pardoned.

And Trump didn't pardon any of them until after it was too late to impeach him for it.

On July 10, 2020, days before Stone was scheduled to report to prison, Trump commuted his sentence.

Trump didn't pardon Stone until after the election

 

[DrLove]

You're right, however I have seen a couple of legal pundits say that in the case of pardoning complicit cronies in order to silence them can be investigated if not overturned. And Rudy is in bigly trouble whether Donald pardons him or not in the State of NY.

Investigated YES, but the pardon itself is not subject to legal review or judgement. There was even a case made after Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, that an ex-president, could be impeached after leaving office. Since one of the judgments of the senate would be to prohibit him from ever holding another federal office.

I don't think it likely in todays political climate, but there is an argument in that an ex-president remains on the federal payroll.

if a bribe was committed, then the pardon can be denied.

if Trump and say Manafort, had a deal that he would stay silent on Trump's doings and not help the prosecution, for Trump to later pardon him is illegal. quid pro quo.

Agree - Gene is correct on a number of fronts.
But Andrew Weissmann explains the problematic nature of dangled pardons.

Mueller Investigation's Lead Prosecutor On Trump's Pardons

NPR's Ari Shapiro talks with Andrew Weissmann, a former lead prosecutor in special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, about President Trump's pardons of loyalists caught in the probe.

www.npr.org

 

[meaner gene]

On January 25, 2019, Stone was arrested at his Fort Lauderdale, Florida, home in connection with Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation and charged in an indictment with witness tampering, obstructing an official proceeding, and five counts of making false statements.
In November 2019 a jury convicted him on all seven felony counts

So? None of that has to do with Trump's pardon of him.

You make shit up to fit your deluded "theories".

Are you really that dense?

Trump strongly hints at pardon of political adviser Roger Stone ...
www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2020/06/04

Jun 4, 2020 — President Trump strongly hinted Thursday at a pardon of friend and longtime political adviser Roger Stone, who has been ordered to report to ...

And that was followed by an actual pardon

 

[meaner gene]

but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

If a president could pardon the impeached and convicted, then that violates the "SHALL" requirement. So clearly the only way to reconcile the two clauses is to exclude pardons for those impeached and convicted. And cases of impeachment begin long before conviction.

The usual attention span problem of Liberals...
You pulled a fragment of a paragraph out of context because it pleases your emotions.

It's the basis for constitutional interpretation. That if there are two clauses of the constitution which if interpreted one way, could be in conflict. Thus they have to be interpreted in such a way as to eliminate the conflict.

And the "shall" clause if interpreted as allowing pardons would conflict with the presidents pardon powers.

 

[Indeependent]

This is what I want President Trump to do...
Pardon every murderer, rapist and drug dealer who lives in Los Angeles, Detroit, Chicago and New York City.
This will make every Liberal have orgasms until they are murdered by one of the newly released pardoned criminals.

 

[meaner gene]

But Andrew Weissmann explains the problematic nature of dangled pardons.

Mueller Investigation's Lead Prosecutor On Trump's Pardons

NPR's Ari Shapiro talks with Andrew Weissmann, a former lead prosecutor in special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, about President Trump's pardons of loyalists caught in the probe.

www.npr.org

Yet you won't get people like the Admiral to even admit that Trump dangled pardons.

 

[DrLove]

But Andrew Weissmann explains the problematic nature of dangled pardons.

Mueller Investigation's Lead Prosecutor On Trump's Pardons

NPR's Ari Shapiro talks with Andrew Weissmann, a former lead prosecutor in special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, about President Trump's pardons of loyalists caught in the probe.

www.npr.org

Yet you won't get people like the Admiral to even admit that Trump dangled pardons.

I'll take your word for it. Haven't read the Admiral in years. ;-)

 

[Dragonlady]

Actually Trump was successfully impeached.
They failed to convict.

Trump was raped by the Maoist traitors and the case was thrown out by the Senate.

Your attempted coup failed.

This is all reminscent of 1984. China is the new enemy, and all enemies must be tied to the Chinese as enemies of the state. Anyone disagreeing with Big Brother is in the pay of the Chinese.

 

[Dragonlady]

Bullshit! You have no proof of that! What testimony?

Are you intent on showing the entire board what a mental midget you are?

Trump dangled pardons to everyone charged by Mueller. He called those who signed Plea Agreements and who cooperated with the Mueller Investigation "rats", and threatened their families, and promised to take care of those who didn't turn state's evidence. He tried to permanent jail and muzzle Micheal Cohen, and others who refused his offers. Rick Gates, who did cooperate with the FBI, but didn't directly implicate Trump, has not been pardoned, but Stone, who lied to the FBI, Congress, and committed perjury in his trial, has been pardoned.

And Trump didn't pardon any of them until after it was too late to impeach him for it.

On July 10, 2020, days before Stone was scheduled to report to prison, Trump commuted his sentence.

Trump didn't pardon Stone until after the election

But now that they've accepted the pardons, they have fully admitted to their guilt, and have lost the right to claim the 5th Amendment. They have to answer questions regarding the crimes they were convicted of or face perjury charges.

Stone and Manafort can be forced to testify against Trump at trial, and without 5th Amendment protections, since they've already admitted to and been pardoned of the crimes, and if they lie, or try to obstruct in their testimony, they're subject to new charges.

This is the reason why Nixon didn't pardon any of his staffers and co-conspirators - so they couldn't be forced to testify against him.

 

[meaner gene]

But now that they've accepted the pardons, they have fully admitted to their guilt, and have lost the right to claim the 5th Amendment. They have to answer questions regarding the crimes they were convicted of or face perjury charges.

Stone and Manafort can be forced to testify against Trump at trial, and without 5th Amendment protections, since they've already admitted to and been pardoned of the crimes, and if they lie, or try to obstruct in their testimony, they're subject to new charges.

This is the reason why Nixon didn't pardon any of his staffers and co-conspirators - so they couldn't be forced to testify against him.

Good point. Pardons can be a double edged sword. It can keepl people from testifying against you before the pardon, but without that pardon power, they can no longer induce people to remain silent.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Bullshit! You have no proof of that! What testimony?

Are you intent on showing the entire board what a mental midget you are?

Trump dangled pardons to everyone charged by Mueller. He called those who signed Plea Agreements and who cooperated with the Mueller Investigation "rats", and threatened their families, and promised to take care of those who didn't turn state's evidence. He tried to permanent jail and muzzle Micheal Cohen, and others who refused his offers. Rick Gates, who did cooperate with the FBI, but didn't directly implicate Trump, has not been pardoned, but Stone, who lied to the FBI, Congress, and committed perjury in his trial, has been pardoned.

And Trump didn't pardon any of them until after it was too late to impeach him for it.

On July 10, 2020, days before Stone was scheduled to report to prison, Trump commuted his sentence.

Trump didn't pardon Stone until after the election

What part of "Presidential pardons are absolute" do you not get?

The President “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

You cannot impeach him over a pardon! You need to shut your cock holster!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

On January 25, 2019, Stone was arrested at his Fort Lauderdale, Florida, home in connection with Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation and charged in an indictment with witness tampering, obstructing an official proceeding, and five counts of making false statements.
In November 2019 a jury convicted him on all seven felony counts

So? None of that has to do with Trump's pardon of him.

You make shit up to fit your deluded "theories".

Are you really that dense?

Trump strongly hints at pardon of political adviser Roger Stone ...
www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2020/06/04

Jun 4, 2020 — President Trump strongly hinted Thursday at a pardon of friend and longtime political adviser Roger Stone, who has been ordered to report to ...

And that was followed by an actual pardon

So? You have nothing and keep repeating it!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

On January 25, 2019, Stone was arrested at his Fort Lauderdale, Florida, home in connection with Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation and charged in an indictment with witness tampering, obstructing an official proceeding, and five counts of making false statements.
In November 2019 a jury convicted him on all seven felony counts

So? None of that has to do with Trump's pardon of him.

You make shit up to fit your deluded "theories".

Are you really that dense?

Trump strongly hints at pardon of political adviser Roger Stone ...
www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2020/06/04

Jun 4, 2020 — President Trump strongly hinted Thursday at a pardon of friend and longtime political adviser Roger Stone, who has been ordered to report to ...

And that was followed by an actual pardon

6 months later dumbass!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

But Andrew Weissmann explains the problematic nature of dangled pardons.

Mueller Investigation's Lead Prosecutor On Trump's Pardons

NPR's Ari Shapiro talks with Andrew Weissmann, a former lead prosecutor in special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, about President Trump's pardons of loyalists caught in the probe.

www.npr.org

Yet you won't get people like the Admiral to even admit that Trump dangled pardons.

Define "dangled pardons". Your dick is probably so short it cannot dangle!

Saying you were going to pardon someone has zero impact because the cases are already resolved, you skid mark on the underwear of life!

 

[meaner gene]

What part of "Presidential pardons are absolute" do you not get?

The President “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

You cannot impeach him over a pardon! You need to shut your cock holster!

Even if the action itself is legal, the intent behind it can still be criminal. Pardon power is no different than the power as commander-in-chief. It's an absolute power subject to abuse.

Trump has the power to order the troops to surrender both themselves and their weapons to the enemy, and as a lawful order it has to be followed.

But congress can determine if doing so was an abuse of his power, and impeach him over it.

 

[meaner gene]

Trump strongly hints at pardon of political adviser Roger Stone ...
www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2020/06/04

Jun 4, 2020 — President Trump strongly hinted Thursday at a pardon of friend and longtime political adviser Roger Stone, who has been ordered to report to ...

And that was followed by an actual pardon

6 months later dumbass!

The delivery of the pardon was the Quid Pro Quo.

 

[meaner gene]

Define "dangled pardons". Your dick is probably so short it cannot dangle!

On January 25, 2019, Stone was arrested at his Fort Lauderdale, Florida, home in connection with Robert Mueller's Special Counsel investigation and charged in an indictment with witness tampering, obstructing an official proceeding, and five counts of making false statements.

Jun 4, 2020 — President Trump strongly hinted Thursday at a pardon of friend and longtime political adviser Roger Stone, who has been ordered to report to ...

Jul 10, 2020 — Trump Commutes Sentence of Roger Stone in Case He Long Denounced .

Dec 23, 2020 - 1 day ago — US President Donald Trump has pardoned his former campaign manager Paul Manafort, ex-adviser Roger Stone and the father of Mr Trump's .