Is there an EV in your future?

[DGS49]

Guide to Every EV for Sale in U.S. for 2023

Use this quick guide to find the EV with the right efficiency, range, and price for you, from the practical Chevy Bolt to the exotic Porsche Taycan.

www.caranddriver.com

I have linked a recent summary of currently-available EV's in the U.S. Other models are slowly dribbling into the marketplace. Most are priced out of the range of most consumers, although with the combination of the possible (up to) $7,500 tax credit and the fuel cost savings, if your budget for your next ICE car was $X, then you might be able to budge 1.15*X for an EV, provided you are comfortable with your own charging infrastructure where you live.

I'm not sure how the EPA calculates MPGE (miles per gallon equivalent), but it doesn't really matter. The number is there for you to compare one car with another, not to calculate your energy cost, month to month. For most purposes, 100 is "good" and much less than that starts to compromise whether it is beneficial to get an EV at all.

While skeptics abound, there is no question that EV's are LIKELY to be less troublesome and longer-lasting than a comparable ICE car. There is no radiator, no exhaust system, no electronic nannies to keep you from destroying the planet, and so on. Electric motors are, according to many reports, lasting longer than warranted or expected. As the market matures, there will be both OEM's and aftermarket shops that will replace individual dead cells, to spare you the cost of a five-figure replacement cost when the time inevitably comes. Parenthetically, I was in Amsterdam a few years ago, and was surprised to see almost the entire taxi fleet driving Telsa Model S sedans. THEY were reporting battery life of at least 500k km (300k miles), before the fully-charged, indicated range dropped below 80% of new. After that, I understand that it drops rather quickly.

The Tesla Model 3 continues to outshine all other CARS in its class. The price, range, and features are superior to the others, even though there is no longer any tax credit available. The Mustang also looks good, as does the Ionic5. VW is selling a shitload of ID4's in Europe, although there is nothing on the spec sheet that makes the mouth water.

The value of used EV's (almost all Tesla) is artificially depressed by horror stories about the cost of battery replacement, but I suspect that this issue is overblown. If you get a $90k Model S for thirty grand, then have to spend ten thousand replacing the battery, you still have a great car at a great price. And as I say, there is an emerging market of shops who will replace only the dead cells for a fraction of the cost.

One issue that I've wondered about is the issue of TRACTION. A lot of American car buyers, especially in the former snow belt (diminished due to Climate Change) are neurotic about winter driving and believe they need AWD in every vehicle in order to command the road. But I wonder...if you have an EV with the MOTOR over the drive wheels, coupled with good all-season tires and all-speed traction control, that vehicle should do perfectly well in all conditions up to a foot of snow, in which case you should stay home anyway.

While I won't get a vote, I will encourage my wife to trade her 3-series for an EV when the time comes in a year or so.

Any other/conflicting thoughts?

 

[pknopp]

I'd get another. I had a Ford C-Max. Now granted that is barely an EV as the range is just over 20 miles on all electric but at the time my drive to work was 20 miles. I talked with the place I worked and they were going to install a car charger but that never happened.

Well it got rear ended and that was that for that car. I did get to take it and get it on a segment of Motorweek.

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[1srelluc]

Nope.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Guide to Every EV for Sale in U.S. for 2023

Use this quick guide to find the EV with the right efficiency, range, and price for you, from the practical Chevy Bolt to the exotic Porsche Taycan.

www.caranddriver.com

I have linked a recent summary of currently-available EV's in the U.S. Other models are slowly dribbling into the marketplace. Most are priced out of the range of most consumers, although with the combination of the possible (up to) $7,500 tax credit and the fuel cost savings, if your budget for your next ICE car was $X, then you might be able to budge 1.15*X for an EV, provided you are comfortable with your own charging infrastructure where you live.

I'm not sure how the EPA calculates MPGE (miles per gallon equivalent), but it doesn't really matter. The number is there for you to compare one car with another, not to calculate your energy cost, month to month. For most purposes, 100 is "good" and much less than that starts to compromise whether it is beneficial to get an EV at all.

While skeptics abound, there is no question that EV's are LIKELY to be less troublesome and longer-lasting than a comparable ICE car. There is no radiator, no exhaust system, no electronic nannies to keep you from destroying the planet, and so on. Electric motors are, according to many reports, lasting longer than warranted or expected. As the market matures, there will be both OEM's and aftermarket shops that will replace individual dead cells, to spare you the cost of a five-figure replacement cost when the time inevitably comes. Parenthetically, I was in Amsterdam a few years ago, and was surprised to see almost the entire taxi fleet driving Telsa Model S sedans. THEY were reporting battery life of at least 500k km (300k miles), before the fully-charged, indicated range dropped below 80% of new. After that, I understand that it drops rather quickly.

The Tesla Model 3 continues to outshine all other CARS in its class. The price, range, and features are superior to the others, even though there is no longer any tax credit available. The Mustang also looks good, as does the Ionic5. VW is selling a shitload of ID4's in Europe, although there is nothing on the spec sheet that makes the mouth water.

The value of used EV's (almost all Tesla) is artificially depressed by horror stories about the cost of battery replacement, but I suspect that this issue is overblown. If you get a $90k Model S for thirty grand, then have to spend ten thousand replacing the battery, you still have a great car at a great price. And as I say, there is an emerging market of shops who will replace only the dead cells for a fraction of the cost.

One issue that I've wondered about is the issue of TRACTION. A lot of American car buyers, especially in the former snow belt (diminished due to Climate Change) are neurotic about winter driving and believe they need AWD in every vehicle in order to command the road. But I wonder...if you have an EV with the MOTOR over the drive wheels, coupled with good all-season tires and all-speed traction control, that vehicle should do perfectly well in all conditions up to a foot of snow, in which case you should stay home anyway.

While I won't get a vote, I will encourage my wife to trade her 3-series for an EV when the time comes in a year or so.

Any other/conflicting thoughts?

I believe that there is good reason to expect that eventually, electrical cars will become practical for most people. At my age, I have very little confidence that I will live to see that point.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The value of used EV's (almost all Tesla) is artificially depressed by horror stories about the cost of battery replacement, but I suspect that this issue is overblown. If you get a $90k Model S for thirty grand, then have to spend ten thousand replacing the battery, you still have a great car at a great price. And as I say, there is an emerging market of shops who will replace only the dead cells for a fraction of the cost.

I have, on order, a much better vehicle than anything that Tesla makes. I expect to spend less than $60,000 for it, and I expect it to last much longer than a Tesla will, and not to ever require a single repair costing as much as a routine battery replacement for a Tesla.

How do you figure that a Tesla at $90,000 is “a great car at a great price”? Maybe a “great price”, meaning a very high price, but certainly not great in the sense of being a good value for the consumer.

 

[pknopp]

I have, on order, a much better vehicle than anything that Tesla makes. I expect to spend less than $60,000 for it, and I expect it to last much longer than a Tesla will, and not to ever require a single repair costing as much as a routine battery replacement for a Tesla.

How do you figure that a Tesla at $90,000 is “a great car at a great price”? Maybe a “great price”, meaning a very high price, but certainly not great in the sense of being a good value for the consumer.

A Model 3 is $50-60K before incentives.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

A Model 3 is $50-60K before incentives.

Still nowhere near as good a vehicle as I can get in an internal-combustion-engine vehicle in that price range. Still nowhere near as practical for my needs.

 

[pknopp]

Still nowhere near as good a vehicle as I can get in an internal-combustion-engine vehicle in that price range. Still nowhere near as practical for my needs.

Good is subjective and if it doesn't fit your needs, it doesn't.

 

[Sunni Man]

EV vehicles are a scam and to be avoided.
But if you have more money than brains.
Then you definitely should buy one. ...

 

[odanny]

I'm holding out for the Fisker Ocean.

Hopefully they debut at their target price of $39K

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[JLW]

I have a hybrid car as my primary car and two other vehicles. In the next few years I will trade them all in for EVs as new models come out.

 

[Muhammed]

Last year I made a couple of ebikes. First I made a fat tire MTB ebike for myself and then my wife wanted one. So I made her an ebike too.

I like the thing. Especially in the snow. It's really quiet. Unlike a loud ass snowmobile, I can ride it around the neighborhood in the middle of the night without drawing the ire of my neighbors. The 4 inch wide Kenda fat tires are rated from 5 psi to 35 psi. I get plenty of traction in the ice and snow. But it's looking like snow is about over until next winter.

I love riding it around silently in the snow in the middle of the night. And the battery management system units that I made seem to be performing much better than expected so far.

 

[JLW]

I made a couple of ebikes. First I made a fat tire MTB ebike for myself and then my wife wanted one. So I made her an ebike too.

I like the thing. Especially in the snow. The Kenda tires are rated from 5 psi to 35 psi. I get plenty of traction.

I have a fat tire e-bike as well. I use it quite a bit.

 

[pknopp]

I made a couple of ebikes. First I made a fat tire MTB ebike for myself and then my wife wanted one. So I made her an ebike too.

I like the thing. Especially in the snow. The 4 inch wide Kenda fat tires are rated from 5 psi to 35 psi. I get plenty of traction. But it's looking like snow is about over until next year.

I made myself one also. It's a folding bike. I can throw it in the back of my van.

 

[candycorn]

Probably not.

 

[Sunni Man]

In a few years use car lots will be full of EV cars they can't find buyers for.
When EV's get older with a lot of miles on them the repairs are really expensive. You'll have to take your EV to a dealership with their sky high prices, because most independent auto repair shops won't touch them due to the complicated electronics. Plus the parts to fix an EV are mega expensive.
Tesla refuses to sell repair parts or manuals to anyone. Period.
So if your Tesla breaks down. Be prepared to 2nd mortgage your home, because you'll have to take it to the Tesla dealership with their astronomical hourly repair rates or leave it sitting on your driveway as a monument to the global warming scam.

 

[pknopp]

If you're looking at battery replacement costs to prepare to replace it in the future, you have little to worry about. Tesla claims that the Model S and Model X retain 90% capacity even after 200,000 miles. Third-party research data from NimbleFins support this claim, with 150,000-mile models at 90% and 200,000-mile cars still maintaining over 80% capacity.

How Much Does it Cost to Replace a Tesla Battery? (And Can You Do it Yourself?)

 

[Sunni Man]

If you're looking at battery replacement costs to prepare to replace it in the future, you have little to worry about. Tesla claims that the Model S and Model X retain 90% capacity even after 200,000 miles. Third-party research data from NimbleFins support this claim, with 150,000-mile models at 90% and 200,000-mile cars still maintaining over 80% capacity.

There are plenty of YouTube videos of disgruntled EV owners complaining about their EV cars short battery life and the exorbitant cost to replace it.

 

[pknopp]

There are plenty of YouTube videos of disgruntled EV owners complaining about their EV cars short battery life and the exorbitant cost to replace it.

There are plenty of YouTube video's of people complaining about everything.

 

[Sunni Man]

There are plenty of YouTube video's of people complaining about everything.

Yea, it makes perfect sense to disregard the experiences of actual EV owners, and believe some third-party research like you posted from a bogus source nobody has heard of before. ....