Which description is more accurate? And why it matters.

berg80

Diamond Member
Oct 28, 2017
22,025
18,417
2,320
Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022

The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022

Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022

The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022

A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022

Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022

The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022

Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022

The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.
 
Last edited:
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
TRUMP WAS THE PRESDIENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU????
 
Last edited:
The first description, by President Trump, is a very accurate description of what the Trump family experienced at the hands of a politically motivated intelligence organization, with law enforcement powers.

The second description is a gobbledygook legalistic explanation to cover for how politically motivated that invasion was.
 
Last edited:
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
First of all, how do you know what Trump said to his lawyers? Second, is Donald Trump first person in history to ever legally resist a subpoena?
 
Last edited:
First of all, how do you know what Trump said to his lawyers? Second, is Donald Trump first person in history to ever move to quash a subpoena?
It comes from the lawyer's testimony to Smith during his investigation.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.

“I don’t want anybody looking through my boxes,” Mr. Trump told them, according to the indictment.

“What happens if we just don’t respond at all or don’t play ball with them?” he added.
 
It comes from the lawyer's testimony to Smith during his investigation.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.

“I don’t want anybody looking through my boxes,” Mr. Trump told them, according to the indictment.

“What happens if we just don’t respond at all or don’t play ball with them?” he added.
Oh my gosh! A client asked his lawyer a question about legal consequences of a pondered action!

How many people are already in prison for talking to their lawyers about legal consequences of pondered action? Thousands, I’ll bet!

Berg, I’ll give you some serious advice. You’re making yourself look pretty horrible venting your rage about your election loss. Best thing for you to do is to take a break for a while. If not, when you finally wind down from this tantrum, you will feel the need to delete this account and create another.
 
Chris Wray invaded Trump's home.
trump's home was searched after months and months of effort to get him to return the classified material. And based on the testimony given to Smith's team during his investigation indicating trump had no intention of complying with the subpoena.
 
Oh my gosh! A client asked his lawyer a question about legal consequences of a pondered action!
I want you to ponder this slowly. He didn't just ask his lawyers a question. He in fact did not comply with the subpoena.

Do you see how the facts got in the way of your spin?
 
If trump would have complied, it wouldnt have happened.
original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing,
that is the governments property.
as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump
Dont see how that is

Basically, its trumps fault. He could have fought the subpoena. He could have tried to do something besides just ignore it.
Did they politicize it? Yes, unfortunately. Our government is corrupt. Thats what happens when they can do whatever in the fuck they want.
 
First of all, how do you know what Trump said to his lawyers? Second, is Donald Trump first person in history to ever legally resist a subpoena?

No, he is not the first to defy a subpoena.

He ordered or encouraged most of his henchmen to do the same. Mainly in order to keep them from testifying under oath regarding Trump’s crimes, plots and illegeal activities. Stealing documents was just one of those.

Before Trump, and his lawlessness, defying supbbpoenas was practically unheard of, and routinely resulted in contempt charges.
 
I want you to ponder this slowly. He didn't just ask his lawyers a question. He in fact did not comply with the subpoena.

Do you see how the facts got in the way of your spin?
Is Donald Trump the first person ever to not comply with the subpoena that he is fighting? Or does everybody who fights a subpoena first turnover everything the subpoena asked for, thus rendering to fight completely moot?

Answer that question with facts.

Also, explain again why they had to go through Melia’s underwear drawer?
 
The first description, by President Trump, is a very accurate description of what the Trump family experienced at the hands of a politically motivated intelligence organization, with law enforcement powers.

The second description is a gobbledygook legalistic explanation to cover for how politically motivated that invasion was.
100% BS.

Typical victimhood,and nothing else.

Nobody made Trump ignore or defy the law.

He brought every bit of it on himself.
 
The entire premise for the search was bullshit. The FBI is still hanging onto Melania's underwear.

Made up BS post.

Trump stole the documents. He lied about it. Refused to return them. Defied a subpoena, and forced the warrant.

Trump had no authority to remove documents at all. your claim is false,
 

Forum List

Back
Top