Van Jones: "Men are hurting. Feminist culture tells you 'dont cry cause you're the problem anyway'. masculine culture tell you 'dont cry cause...'

[AzogtheDefiler]

Not inherently. Pedophilia just means you're attracted to minors, not that you've ever acted on it.

Europe has not said trans = make believe. A few countries in Europe are treating gender dysphoria under stricter, clinical trial regulations.

1) you’re defending NAMBLA, typical lib

2) For all intents and purposes they have.

Again, how does a biological male “feel like a woman”? He has no idea what a real woman feels. It’s 100% make believe.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes, it does you just don't see it or read it because you don't read the bills and their sponsors. One is about to be voted on by the Senate concerning SS payments to people on pensions, then the budget, which is done bi-partisan every year.

This again. You’re always begging for handouts. It’s frankly pathetic

 

[marvin martian]

That's not anyone's science which is why you can't link to any.

You pussied out last time, so I'll try again:

Is a man who puts on a dress, and demands you call him a woman, actually a woman?

Simple yes or no will do...

 

[shockedcanadian]

I don't know what the marriage/divorce laws are in Canada but yes, a vindictive, manipulative, irresponsible, unfaithful woman can make a man's life absolutely hell. (And vice versa.)

And the economic and emotional and psychological consequences of a failed marriage are real for both men and and women and are not always just. Whether man or woman though, the best policy for toxic relationships is to end them and separate yourself from your tormenter as much as is possible.

As for support services for men, they are out there. You just have to look for them. If addictions is in the equation, AA and/or Al-anon has restored many to sanity. A good local minister or priest can be a good sounding board to help talk things out. There are other support groups around including divorce support groups.

You are right that society usually expects men to be more stoic and 'strong' than it expects of woman. But otherwise the dynamics aren't all that different. However, woke-ism beginning with the women's rights movements in the 1970's has increasingly denigrated men and tried to make them unnecessary in societal equations. I believe this to be practically and ethically and morally wrong. I believe the world needs strong men as much as it ever did and that men and women usually bring different kinds of strengths to offer.

Do not be shy about getting whatever help you need my friend. Nobody should have to endure personal crises alone.

I wish you were right, but I've searched, it doesn't exist here. It's criminal. I repeat again for you all, "do not become like us"

 

[Foxfyre]

I wish you were right, but I've searched, it doesn't exist here. It's criminal. I repeat again for you all, "do not become like us"

Where are you in Canada?

 

[Woodznutz]

..."boys don't cry".

He said this at a NY Times event with a panel of Dem and GOP politicians and media.

As he said beyond this, "you can't talk about how scared you are (as a man)...at least Trump allows you to have an emotion besides shame".

This is was a powerful quote. As a man who lived my entire life internalizing everything, even the most painful of circumstances. Placing everything on my shoulders and then when I needed help, simple help and support, it didn't exist.

Imagine that there are literally dozens of resources for women if they have been assaulted by their mate, there were ZERO resources for men. Even though, evidence going back 50 years suggests that women assault men as much as men do.

This is why when we hear stories about Trump being accused of something against a woman and having to pay for an NDA. We hear the accusations against Kavanaugh etc, most men do not just reflexively believe it because we know how some operate especially in politics. This is the epitome of evil and you can be sure many knew it was false. My own wife threatened me multiple times if I ever reached out to speak the truth and I had been firmly been paralyzed by this threat.

Trump won because of men. Not only did men vote in large numbers but they convinced their wives and girlfriends to vote also on top of Trump being surrounded by Tusi, RFK etc.

Now as Van Jones has his son facing some of the same auto-bs men face, NOW he understands.

Prior to "no fault divorce" a cause had to be presented to the court and was often "mental cruelty" inflicted on the wife by the husband. Such was the case in the much-publicized divorce of George Montgomery and Dinah shore despite the real reason being her adulterous behavior. George was going to bring the suit but deferred to the traditional reason for the sake of the family and her career.

My own divorce was similar and happened just before no fault became law. I was 'guilty' of mental cruelty although in reality I was the one suffering and was actually glad to be rid of her. She got custody of our kids and proceeded to inflict the same cruelty on them. They suffer to this day from it.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Prior to "no fault divorce" a cause had to be presented to the court and was often "mental cruelty" inflicted on the wife by the husband. Such was the case in the much-publicized divorce of George Montgomery and Dinah shore despite the real reason being her adulterous behavior. George was going to bring the suit but deferred to the traditional reason for the sake of the family and her career.

My own divorce was similar and happened just before no fault became law. I was 'guilty' of mental cruelty although in reality I was the one suffering and was actually glad to be rid of her. She got custody of our kids and proceeded to inflict the same cruelty on them. They suffer to this day from it.

Sorry to hear that. Women and men can be evil in divorce. I hope your children find peace. Hopefully you can chat with them and explain that it isn't their fault.

I know I speak with very little information about your situation but I know for myself, I've had to get out of my comfort zone and forgive some I didn't think would be possible. Time heals I suppose.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Where are you in Canada?

Outside Toronto ironically. There should be a world of resources right?

In fact, there was a recent one promoted by the feds and it was big news. The catch? It was ONLY for women. Why?

It's frighteningly biased here and it is a big reason why the shift is going to the right, even as our right isn't like yours. We are more fascist than libertarian.

 

[Woodznutz]

Sorry to hear that. Women and men can be evil in divorce. I hope your children find peace. Hopefully you can chat with them and explain that it isn't their fault.

I know I speak with very little information about your situation but I know for myself, I've had to get out of my comfort zone and forgive some I didn't think would be possible. Time heals I suppose.

She was a self-absorbed, self-pitying alcoholic who thought the world should revolve around her. She died alone of 'unknown causes' but I believe she committed suicide.

 

[Curried Goats]

And there's the crux of the matter. Science, ala biology, is very clear about male and female.

Is it though? What about the intersexed?

Social constructs are fluid and change to fit whatever advantage one is seeking at the time. Example, science says a pre-born baby is a human being, very clear and easily understood. Abortion advocates, however, employ social constructs to obfuscate the reality of what an abortion does, calling the unborn human anything under the sun EXCEPT a human being.

As an abortion advocate this seems like a strawman man to me. I have no problem calling a pre born baby a human being or whatever other term you want. I don't see what this has to do with whether it's rights should supercede the rights of the woman they are currently gestating inside of. Seeing as how rights themselves are a social construct however, this is simply my subjective opinion.

Likewise, science says that an effeminate appearing teenaged boy is a male, very clear and easily understood. Trans activists, however, employe social constructs to pretend that boy is in a fact a girl just because he says he wants to be one and use those constructs to obfuscate the reality of what puberty blockers, hormone injections and surgeries do to a developing teen-aged body and the permanent, life-long effects on the same.

No one is obfuscating the goal of puberty blockers, hormone treatments or reassignment surgery. Those are pretty self explanatory in their naming. Also I don't know what science you're referring to. The science I've seen shows the physiology of the brains of trans people shifted towards gender they identify with. There appears to be biological correspondence with trans identities.

Sure, once a person reaches adulthood and is considered mature enough to make such decisions for themselves, they can make themselves look however they want, but until a 12-year-old is allowed to get a tattoo of their favorite Disney character, they should not be allowed to permanently mess with their bodies like that.

The science that says brains don't fully mature until around the mid 20s is in reference to the part of the brain that deals with short term decision making and risk assessment. Basically our brains are wired to take more risks when we're younger so we can develop the ability to better assess risk verse reward through trial and error. That same brain science however says that minors can make informed, long term decisions, like in regards to healthcare, when given all the information and guidance by adults and professionals.

 

[shockedcanadian]

She was a self-absorbed, self-pitying alcoholic who thought the world should revolve around her. She died alone of 'unknown causes' but I believe she committed suicide.

My wife had (has? I don't know anymore) a major gambling addiction. It really made it all far worse.

 

[Woodznutz]

My wife had (has? I don't know anymore) a major gambling addiction. It really made it all far worse.

I don't think we can admit to ourselves how screwed up women are. I say that as an observer not as a misogynist.

 

[Curried Goats]

1) you’re defending NAMBLA, Healthcare,

Nope. I don't think adults should have relationships with minors, I just recognize that not all people who unfortunately develop an attraction for children will act on it. Sexual attraction isn't something anyone can control from homosexuality, or asexuality or even pedophilia. They can decide not to act on those attractions though and in the case of minors they should.

2) For all intents and purposes they have.

Wrong again. No respected medical organization thinks trans identities are a mental illness. Some counties in Europe might disagree on access to treatment but none have said what you claim which is why you can only claim not show with any sort of evidence.

Again, how does a biological male “feel like a woman”? He has no idea what a real woman feels. It’s 100% make believe.

You don't know how anyone else feels except yourself. You don't have some magical feeling connection with other men. Your feelings are a result of your biological responses and no one else's, just like everybody else.

 

[Foxfyre]

Outside Toronto ironically. There should be a world of resources right?

In fact, there was a recent one promoted by the feds and it was big news. The catch? It was ONLY for women. Why?

It's frighteningly biased here and it is a big reason why the shift is going to the right, even as our right isn't like yours. We are more fascist than libertarian.

Now admittedly information on the internet can be wrong, outdated, misleading, or whatever and caution is always warranted. But have you looked into this?

A Men's Group in Toronto: The Top 3 Men's Support Groups in Toronto

Are you looking for a men’s group in Toronto? If you're looking for the best support groups in Toronto then you have come to the right place.

mensgroup.com

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Nope. I don't think adults should have relationships with minors, I just recognize that not all people who unfortunately develop an attraction for children will act on it. Sexual attraction isn't something anyone can control from homosexuality, or asexuality or even pedophilia. They can decide not to act on those attractions though and in the case of minors they should.

Wrong again. No respected medical organization thinks trans identities are a mental illness. Some counties in Europe might disagree on access to treatment but none have said what you claim which is why you can only claim not show with any sort of evidence.

You don't know how anyone else feels except yourself. You don't have some magical feeling connection with other men. Your feelings are a result of your biological responses and no one else's, just like everybody else.

Nice dodge. How does anyone feel like something they aren’t? Do tell. I am genuinely curious.

Facts don’t care about your feelings. I can relate to other men as I am one. Not quite to women. You would not understand.

Trans = Make Believe

So would you let a NAMBLA enthusiast babysit your kids? Hmmmm?


You’re so full of it

 

[Curried Goats]

Nice dodge. How does anyone feel like something they aren’t? Do tell. I am genuinely curious.

Facts don’t care about your feelings. I can relate to other men as I am one. Not quite to women. You would not understand.

Trans = Make Believe

So would you let a NAMBLA enthusiast babysit your kids? Hmmmm?


You’re so full of it

Who says anyone is feeling like they aren't? That's your ignorant premise. Your feelings are a result of biology, and the biology of trans people shows a shift to the gender they identify with. They identify the way they do because of their biology, just as you do.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Thank God this generation wasn't around in 1939.

 

[hadit]

Is it though? What about the intersexed?

A very rare condition that does not inform on the vast majority of those who seek to transition. Again, biology says, "this is male, this is female".

As an abortion advocate this seems like a strawman man to me. I have no problem calling a pre born baby a human being or whatever other term you want. I don't see what this has to do with whether it's rights should supercede the rights of the woman they are currently gestating inside of. Seeing as how rights themselves are a social construct however, this is simply my subjective opinion.

No one is obfuscating the goal of puberty blockers, hormone treatments or reassignment surgery. Those are pretty self explanatory in their naming. Also I don't know what science you're referring to. The science I've seen shows the physiology of the brains of trans people shifted towards gender they identify with. There appears to be biological correspondence with trans identities.

The science that says brains don't fully mature until around the mid 20s is in reference to the part of the brain that deals with short term decision making and risk assessment. Basically our brains are wired to take more risks when we're younger so we can develop the ability to better assess risk verse reward through trial and error. That same brain science however says that minors can make informed, long term decisions, like in regards to healthcare, when given all the information and guidance by adults and professionals.

IMO, the societal construct that forbids a 12-year-old from getting a tattoo of a Disney princess on her body should also forbid that same 12-year-old from permanently altering her body to appear more masculine.

 

[marvin martian]

Nope. I don't think adults should have relationships with minors, I just recognize that not all people who unfortunately develop an attraction for children will act on it. Sexual attraction isn't something anyone can control from homosexuality, or asexuality or even pedophilia. They can decide not to act on those attractions though and in the case of minors they should.

Wrong again. No respected medical organization thinks trans identities are a mental illness. Some counties in Europe might disagree on access to treatment but none have said what you claim which is why you can only claim not show with any sort of evidence.

You don't know how anyone else feels except yourself. You don't have some magical feeling connection with other men. Your feelings are a result of your biological responses and no one else's, just like everybody else.

^^^Beware deviants trying to normalize pedophilia, like this one. The left's obsession with sexually torturing children needs to be completely eradicated, by any means necessary.

 

[Curried Goats]

A very rare condition that does not inform on the vast majority of those who seek to transition. Again, biology says, "this is male, this is female".

Trans people are also rare. Rarer than the intersexed who are about as prevalent as red heads. Also biology doesn't say anything. We study biology and then we group what we study into categories. We do that. Biology doesn't care if someone has an extra X chromosome, mix matched genitalia, red hair, a sexual attraction to the same sex or brain physiology shifted towards the opposite sex. You do for some reason.

IMO, the societal construct that forbids a 12-year-old from getting a tattoo of a Disney princess on her body should also forbid that same 12-year-old from permanently altering her body to appear more masculine.

It may be your honest opinion but that doesn't make it a scientifically sound one. Tattoos and health care aren't the same thing.