Which description is more accurate? And why it matters.

[TimFitz]

Is Donald Trump the first person ever to not comply with the subpoena that he is fighting? Or does everybody who fights a subpoena first turnover everything the subpoena asked for, thus rendering to fight completely moot?

Answer that question with facts.

Also, explain again why they had to go through Melia’s underwear drawer?

He lost that battle, and still defied the law.

 

[DGS49]

There were legitimate questions, legal and Constitutional, about the demand for return of documents. It is a legally tenable position that Trump implicitly declassified the documents when he had them removed from the White House. Don't forget, he did this while he was still in office, and had absolute power to declassify literally any document that he chose to declassify. And there was no need to document the declassification because Trump WAS the declassifying entity.

Had the DoJ not been compromised, they would have sued Trump for the return of the documents, and had the legitimate questions answered appropriately before anything was removed. The docs could have been securely held during the pendency of the litigation.

However, the DoJ chose to treat Trump, a former President of the United Fucking States of America, like a petty criminal.

Get it?

 

[Polishprince]

trump's home was searched after months and months of effort to get him to return the classified material. And based on the testimony given to Smith's team during his investigation indicating trump had no intention of complying with the subpoena.

No excuse to go through the First Lady's underwear at all.

Further, Smith is an unqualified, and unconfirmed, hack who had no business being involved.

And there is no reason to send armed FBI goons. Unarmed agents would have shown respect to Mrs. Trump.

BTW, they didn't find anything, so the FBI was wrong.

 

[berg80]

If trump would have complied, it wouldnt have happened.

that is the governments property.

Dont see how that is

Basically, its trumps fault. He could have fought the subpoena. He could have tried to do something besides just ignore it.
Did they politicize it? Yes, unfortunately. Our government is corrupt. Thats what happens when they can do whatever in the fuck they want.

How was his refusal to comply with a subpoena politicized? He didn't comply, they responded to his non compliance. How you get from there to "our government is corrupt" is not a reflection of the series of events. It's a reflection of your devotion to trump.

 

[Seymour Flops]

100% BS.

Typical victimhood,and nothing else.

Nobody made Trump ignore or defy the law.

He brought every bit of it on himself.

If all that is true, why did the American people, a.k.a. the ultimate jury, find him not guilty and fully fit to lead the nation?

 

[TNHarley]

How was his refusal to comply with a subpoena politicized?

I was referring to the execution of the warrant.

He didn't comply, they responded to his non compliance.

thats what i said

How you get from there to "our government is corrupt" is not a reflection of the series of events

Yes it is. Govt agencies politicizing events is corruption. I understand a boot licker doesnt understand that.

It's a reflection of your devotion to trump.

I literally blamed him for it happening. And I trash that leftist POS daily. You are a binary dumb fuck. Seriously, seek therapy, you brainwashed moonbat.

 

[Curried Goats]

First of all, how do you know what Trump said to his lawyers? Second, is Donald Trump first person in history to ever legally resist a subpoena?

Nope and he's probably not the first dumbass to have his house raided over it either.

 

[berg80]

There were legitimate questions, legal and Constitutional, about the demand for return of documents.

No there weren't. I apologize for not being able to paste the entire article I used due to board rules. Here are other excerpts.

At Trump National Gold Club in Bedminster, N.J., Mr. Trump takes action that will later flag alarm among federal prosecutors. He shows off what he calls a “plan of attack” that was prepared by the Defense Department to a writer, publisher and members of his staff. He describes the plan as “highly confidential,” and acknowledges he could have declassified it as president but no longer can.

This was included in the OP.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.

 

[berg80]

Govt agencies politicizing events is corruption.

How was it politicized?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The case against Trump was so iron clad that it was dismissed by the judge.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, Biden invited them.

Biden was never POTUS and had no business keeping classified documents at all, -- much less in his garage

 

[Independent thinker]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

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Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

It's going to be a very long four years for you.

 

[berg80]

No excuse to go through the First Lady's underwear at all.

You understand that's just a distraction from the larger issue, right?

 

[Mac1958]

What does that have to do with his refusal to comply with a subpoena once out of office?

The first "reply" to your thread was an obvious attempt to change the subject.

That's always a good sign.

 

[berg80]

The case against Trump was so iron clad that it was dismissed by the judge.

It was dismissed by trump's judge based on her opinion, which was appealed, that Smith's appointment didn't conform with DoJ rules. Not due to any evidentiary aspect of the case.

 

[berg80]

The first "reply" to your thread was an obvious attempt to change the subject.

Most of them have been. Very typical of trumples when presented with uncomfortable facts.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It was dismissed by trump's judge based on her opinion, which was appealed, that Smith's appointment didn't conform with DoJ rules. Not due to any evidentiary aspect of the case.

The case was dismissed. Your brilliant legal arguments notwithstanding.

 

[Mac1958]

The case was dismissed. Your brilliant legal arguments notwithstanding.

This would be much easier if they would just admit that they don't care. Trump himself said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and they'd still vote for him.

Just admit it. "I don't care what he does. I love him, he makes the people I hate angry, and I just don't give a shit what laws he breaks or how he breaks them."

What in the world are they afraid of at this point? They can just be honest now, about this and other things they always deny. Maybe after Inauguration Day.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This would be much easier if they would just admit that they don't care. Trump himself said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and they'd still vote for him.

Just admit it. "I don't care what he does. I love him, he makes the people I hate angry, and I just don't give a shit what laws he breaks or how he breaks them."

What in the world are they afraid of at this point? They can just be honest now, about this and other things they always deny. Maybe after Inauguration Day.

What Trump really said was in response to an article that said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue. What he REALLY said was "they say i could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and my followers wouldn't care."

This is but one of the reasons degenerate democrats lost the election. The lies became insurmountable. The public got disgusted.

 

[berg80]

I literally blamed him for it happening. And I trash that leftist POS daily. You are a binary dumb fuck. Seriously, seek therapy, you brainwashed moonbat.

You stated the DoJ politicized the event. It didn't.