Which description is more accurate? And why it matters.

[berg80]

The case was dismissed. Your brilliant legal arguments notwithstanding.

I just explained why. Geeeesh.

 

[berg80]

This would be much easier if they would just admit that they don't care. Trump himself said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and they'd still vote for him.

Just admit it. "I don't care what he does. I love him, he makes the people I hate angry, and I just don't give a shit what laws he breaks or how he breaks them."

What in the world are they afraid of at this point? They can just be honest now, about this and other things they always deny. Maybe after Inauguration Day.

They don't want to appear to be exhibiting cult-like behavior..............while they exhibit cult-like behavior. So they spin the shit out of everything.

 

[berg80]

Berg, I’ll give you some serious advice. You’re making yourself look pretty horrible venting your rage about your election loss. Best thing for you to do is to take a break for a while. If not, when you finally wind down from this tantrum, you will feel the need to delete this account and create another.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

 

[Seymour Flops]

There was an ongoing dispute about whether Trump was required to turn over the documents.

This was new territory for the courts since every single previous president all the way back to George Washington had taken documents out of office when they left with no particular objection from anybody about this very common practice.

So this was a unique prosecution targeted at one man only. It was not based on. based on precedent or rule of law.

While there was negotiation ongoing, with Trump acting in good faith, the corrupt prosecutor decided to go to some magistrate with nothing to lose and get a subpoena so they could say “woo hoo we win.”

Well, they won the battle. The battle of the underwear, I suppose we should call it. But clearly they and you have lost a war.

The only question remaining is whether Jack Smith can stay out of a federal prison himself. I hope he already has his GoFundMe set up, because politically motivated prosecution can be very costly to the target, as the Democrats have cackled over these last eight years.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Isn't it time to start a forum just for Trump-Hate whiners? This thread, and most threads from this "poster', belong there.

STILL YOUR PRESIDENT


.

 

[Hellokitty]

Did the FBI raid Biden's garage?

And how did the NA not know all the classified documents Biden had for years were missing?

 

[Polishprince]

You understand that's just a distraction from the larger issue, right?

Mrs. Trump was the woman who had her privacy violated , she wouldn't call it a distraction.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I just explained why. Geeeesh.

Except that the case has been dismissed.

 

[berg80]

This was new territory for the courts since every single previous president all the way back to George Washington had taken documents out of office when they left with no particular objection from anybody about this very common practice.

The objection was based on the unique event of a prez removing classified docs and refusing to return them when asked.

The documents in Mr. Trump’s boxes include information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries; U.S. nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to foreign attack.

 

[berg80]

Except that the case has been dismissed.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

The truth in this instance being the pursuit of the classified docs was national security, not election interference.

 

[SmokeALib]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

Oh, dear.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

The truth in this instance being the pursuit of the classified docs was national security, not election interference.

Of course it was election interference. The entire persecution of Trump is election interference. The theft of Melania's underwear is purient interest.

 

[BluesLegend]

Meh, the corrupt lawless Dem regime has been defeated and now we will get REVENGE!!

 

[berg80]

And how did the NA not know all the classified documents Biden had for years were missing?

Deflections to Biden's case don't change the facts of trump's.

 

[berg80]

Mrs. Trump was the woman who had her privacy violated , she wouldn't call it a distraction.

And yet it is. The proof being you folks bring it up.

 

[Oddball]

Basically, its trumps fault. He could have fought the subpoena. He could have tried to do something besides just ignore it.
Did they politicize it? Yes, unfortunately. Our government is corrupt. Thats what happens when they can do whatever in the fuck they want.

Trump's lawyers were in communication with the archivists....The raid was a Waco-esque show of unvarnished brute force, without all the shooting.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The objection was based on the unique event of a prez removing classified docs and refusing to return them when asked.

The documents in Mr. Trump’s boxes include information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries; U.S. nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to foreign attack.

Either you do not know the meaning of the word “unique,” or you are just flat lying.

Not Just Trump And Biden: Every Administration Since Reagan Mishandled Classified Records, National Archives Finds

Aides to former presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George Bush and Barack Obama had previously said the presidents did not keep classified documents.

www.forbes.com

Don’t you ever wonder why your worship of Joseph Robinette Biden causes you to have to lie so often?

 

[Contumacious]

Is it this one...........

During trump's recent interview with NBC's Kristen Welker he said FBI Director Wray, "invaded my home."

Trump ‘very unhappy’ with FBI Director Wray: ‘He invaded my home’ - Washington Examiner

Trump stated he is not “thrilled” with Wray's leadership of the FBI, supporting his nomination of Kash Patel to become the new FBI director.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Or is it this one.......

After months of refusing to fully comply with a subpoena for the return classified docs in trump's possession at MAL the FBI obtained a search warrant for the property and executed a search. Highly classified docs were found.

FBI search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home tied to classified material, sources say

In a lengthy statement Monday night, Trump said, “They even broke into my safe!”

www.nbcnews.com

The DoJ and the National Archives had been working to get trump to return the classified material for months prior to the search.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material​

May 6, 2021

The archives alerts Trump’s team to missing material.​

Gary M. Stern, the archives’ general counsel, emails Mr. Trump’s representatives — the lawyers Patrick F. Philbin, Michael Purpura and Scott Gast — saying that the government had discovered that the original correspondence with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, was missing, as was a letter that President Barack Obama had left for Mr. Trump at the White House upon leaving office.
Archives officials warn of consequences.
Officials at the archives warn Mr. Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.
Feb. 9, 2022
The archives refers the matter to the Justice Department.
The archives tells the Justice Department that a preliminary review of the 15 boxes recovered in January indicated that they contained “a lot of classified records,” including highly classified records that were “unfoldered, intermixed with other records and otherwise unproperly identified.”
Spring 2022
Investigations into the missing material ramp up.
A grand jury is seated to look into the missing boxes of documents. The F.B.I. begins interviewing several of Mr. Trump’s personal aides as well as three former White House lawyers who had been among Mr. Trump’s representatives to the archives.
March 30, 2022
The F.B.I. opens a case
The F.B.I. opens a criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention of documents. The next month a federal grand jury opens its investigation.
May 11, 2022
A grand jury issues a subpoena to Trump.
Mr. Trump receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents bearing classified markings.
MAY 2022
Trump discourages lawyers from complying with the subpoena.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers inform him he has a duty to comply with the grand jury’s subpoena, but Mr. Trump discourages them from complying and going through the boxes.
June 2022
The F.B.I. interviews Trump’s staff.
More members of Mr. Trump’s personal and household staff are interviewed by the F.B.I.
June 22, 2022
Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage is subpoenaed.
The Trump Organization receives a subpoena for surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago and provides it. The 60-day period of footage shows people moving boxes from the basement storage area around the time of one of the outreaches from the Justice Department.
Aug. 5, 2022
The warrant to search Mar-a-Lago is approved.
A federal judge approves a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago. The government is given 14 days to execute it.

Inside a Nearly Four-Year Fight Over Classified Material

The government tried to get former President Donald J. Trump to return classified documents before the case led to criminal charges. On Monday, a judge dismissed the case.

www.nytimes.com

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Calling the search an invasion of his home goes to the heart of the rhetorical duplicity that is a hallmark of trumpery. It turns the truth on its head. The same way the truth gets turned on its head when trump says his prosecutions were an attempt at election interference.

It's as though trump forced the DoJ's hand because he knew he would be able to spin the search in to complaints about a violation of his privacy to those susceptible to being gaslighted. When in truth he left the DoJ no choice in the matter. Once it became aware of the details of the case the DoJ had an obligation to get the classified material back for the sake of national security.

The overarching point being when you dissemble the purpose of the rhetoric he uses you find trump's intention behind it is to obfuscate the truth.

PURE UNADULTERATED BULLCRAP

The 2nd subpoena was issued in order to give the DC Based FBI Crossfire Hurricane Cartel the pretext to enter the scene and invade Mar-A-Lago . The WEAPONIZED FBI-DOJ did not and could not go to Court and demand that President Trump explain the reason he >>>ALLEGEDLY<<<<failed to comply with the Original subpoena.

 

[berg80]

Of course it was election interference.

Actually, it wasn't. Did you follow the sequence of events leading to the search? trump could have avoided having his home searched at any time during the process by returning the docs.

But once the investigation began and Smith obtained testimony about the docs being moved, being unsecure, and that trump had no intention of complying with the subpoena, something had to be done. "Election interference" is a rhetorical smokescreen.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Actually, it wasn't. Did you follow the sequence of events leading to the search? trump could have avoided having his home searched at any time during the process by returning the docs.

But once the investigation began and Smith obtained testimony about the docs being moved, being unsecure, and that trump had no intention of complying with the subpoena, something had to be done. "Election interference" is a rhetorical smokescreen.

There never were any classified documents. There were papers put into the classified folders that the FBI brought with them. The case was dismissed. That's the part you can't bring yourself to comprehend. The case was dismissed.