Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[francoHFW]

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

It was also the first time the the government got to regulate their spending. They had to cut their spending on non Healthcare from 27% to 20%, Etc. Of course it was only the beginning of regulation and tinkering, just like every other country keeps tinkering. Of course the scumbag GOP is bought by big business and Wants no regulation. What is your excuse? I know brainwashed....

You Dem's went it alone, passed Obamacare all by yourself while telling the rest of the country to **** off. Don't pretend that we don't know who you people are because we do, that's why we defeated you at the polls.

That's the way any reform is passed anymore... your scumbag lying thieving brainwashing GOP Heroes just do tax cuts for the rich and stupid Wars... Great job!

 

[francoHFW]

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

ACA is a Dem wealth redistribution scheme to buy votes, period!

And even that is a lie. All it does is funnel money to the insurance industry.

Any ridiculous lie to save citizens from basic rights. That is ridiculous but anyway now the mandate is gone. Who needs it?

 

[francoHFW]

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

ACA is a Dem wealth redistribution scheme to buy votes, period!

And you have to be pretty damn stupid to not take them up on it, don't you? Anyway the Mandate is gone and good riddance if it makes you idiots go nuts LOL...

 

[francoHFW]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make? That is those corporations government chose not to nationalize and take over. Tip of the iceberg.

Look at every successful developed country and that is socialism. No one has ever taken over a corporation except possibly energy, another necessity.

Lib please your own Maxine Waters threatened to take over all the oil companies in a House committee meeting. Its on video. Come over here franco, there

Oil companies? Wouldn't bother me a bit but that is it, just like in all other developed socialist countries....

 

[francoHFW]

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

It was also the first time the the government got to regulate their spending. They had to cut their spending on non Healthcare from 27% to 20%, Etc. Of course it was only the beginning of regulation and tinkering, just like every other country keeps tinkering. Of course the scumbag GOP is bought by big business and Wants no regulation. What is your excuse? I know brainwashed....

You Dem's went it alone, passed Obamacare all by yourself while telling the rest of the country to **** off. Don't pretend that we don't know who you people are because we do, that's why we defeated you at the polls.

Actually Democrats tried to get Republicans involved wasting a lot of time the God damn assholes.... In fact it's a goddamn GOP plan supposedly.... Obviously they won't do anything LOL

 

[Wolfstrike]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

I agree.
you gonna pay for everyone, right?

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

I agree.
you gonna pay for everyone, right?

More regulation is needed and more competition between insurers

 

[MaryAnne11]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I have received quotes from $1600-$1800 per month for a family plan. The best plan had a $2000 per year deductible. My wife stays at the job she has just for the insurance. Would our tax bill under the universal plan be $22,000 per year? We have an HMO plan right now, so wait times suck and we have limited choices. I sometimes wonder if it could get any worse?

This is one of the really bad problems about health care today. People have to stay in jobs they do not like simply to keep insurance.

We need Universal for everyone so what they have to pay goes directly to health care. One simplified plan with low over head. It can be Medicare for all,or whatever would work best.

 

[BluesLegend]

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

ACA is a Dem wealth redistribution scheme to buy votes, period!

And you have to be pretty damn stupid to not take them up on it, don't you? Anyway the Mandate is gone and good riddance if it makes you idiots go nuts LOL...

I pay my own bills unlike Dem moochers who want somebody else to pay for their health insurance.

 

[BluesLegend]

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

It was also the first time the the government got to regulate their spending. They had to cut their spending on non Healthcare from 27% to 20%, Etc. Of course it was only the beginning of regulation and tinkering, just like every other country keeps tinkering. Of course the scumbag GOP is bought by big business and Wants no regulation. What is your excuse? I know brainwashed....

You Dem's went it alone, passed Obamacare all by yourself while telling the rest of the country to **** off. Don't pretend that we don't know who you people are because we do, that's why we defeated you at the polls.

Actually Democrats tried to get Republicans involved wasting a lot of time the God damn assholes.... In fact it's a goddamn GOP plan supposedly.... Obviously they won't do anything LOL

Get involved in the Dem 2,000 plus page Obamacare fiasco? We were smart enough to keep clear of that giant turd. It cost Dem's the House, Senate, and White House and now Obamacare is falling apart so it was all for nothing.

 

[MaryAnne11]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

I agree.
you gonna pay for everyone, right?

More regulation is needed and more competition between insurers

No,insurers need to have less control over the health care system.

Insurers had adjusted very well to the ACA after 3 years and were even giving new benefits. This Administration is so vindictive they only want to destroy. The Republican Congress has had years to come up with a plan. They have zilch except to destroy what protections people have. They could have worked on fixing problems but they only tear down.

 

[MaryAnne11]

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

ACA is a Dem wealth redistribution scheme to buy votes, period!

And you have to be pretty damn stupid to not take them up on it, don't you? Anyway the Mandate is gone and good riddance if it makes you idiots go nuts LOL...

I pay my own bills unlike Dem moochers who want somebody else to pay for their health insurance.

BS, I bet you will be the first in line to get SS and Medicare.

 

[MaryAnne11]

20+ trillion in debt. 150+ trillion unfunded liabilities.

I think it's time to stop demanding free shit.

Add $32.6 trillion to that if we want universal healthcare. Bernie Sanders and a bunch of Democrats want to push through a "Medicare for all" plan.

Except they forgot to do a cost-analysis and don't have a clue where the money would come from...

Bernie Sanders' 'Medicare for all' bill estimated to cost $32.6T, new study says

Do you have any idea how the deficit has exploded under Trump?

If he parked the airplane we could afford infrastructure, etc!

Instead you guys whine about paying my own bills!

 

[MaryAnne11]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Before I went on Medicare 4 years ago, I was paying Aetna QPOS $2000 a MONTH for an individual policy in NY. (No dental).

BTW Medicare costs 110, 220, or 440 (or 512 at top) a Month depending on your income level.
Supplemental coverage for no co-pay, etc, is another 300 a Month.
Prescription supplemental another 50 a Month.

So I'm paying $800 a month for just me now on Medicare with frills.
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[MaryAnne11]

Why are you paying that much money if you are on Medicare? Have you checked Medicare Advantage plans?

 

[dblack]

This is one of the really bad problems about health care today. People have to stay in jobs they do not like simply to keep insurance.

We need Universal for everyone so what they have to pay goes directly to health care. One simplified plan with low over head. It can be Medicare for all,or whatever would work best.

Forcing everyone under the same insurance plan is no better that tying them to their jobs. It's worse actually. It puts all our eggs in one basket and makes the system a focal point of control.

 

[healthmyths]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

There are several factors involved in health care costs WHICH I"M very qualified (hence my "healthmyths" name) and I can share several factors that cause health care cost as a share of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 17.9 percent.Jan 8, 2018 or
Historical - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

According to physicians 26% of the $3.3 Trillion health care costs comes from this:
Remember I'm not saying it.. the people that practice it say it and the proof is a law passed in 1946 called Tort Reform Act.
Read very carefully how physicians under contract with the Federal government can't be sued and hence they don't practice defensive medicine as much.

Now if you want to complain about health care costs be so high... START HERE.. because until lawyers who average AVERAGE!! salary of $139,880 doesn't come from
resolving 96% of malpractice lawsuits out of court as it is "CHEAPER" for insurance companies to simply raise premiums we'll see that.

Now for another contribution to HIGH HEALTH CARE COSTS... LOOK up EMTALA a Federal law passed in 1986.
A clue... why does a hospital charge $3,000 for a CAT scan that the actual cost of doing a CAT scan is less than $100? Again look to EMTALA!

I'll expound on that later if you want. Remember I don't make these statements up. I have LINKS.

 

[Redfish]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

There are several factors involved in health care costs WHICH I"M very qualified (hence my "healthmyths" name) and I can share several factors that cause health care cost as a share of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 17.9 percent.Jan 8, 2018 or
Historical - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

According to physicians 26% of the $3.3 Trillion health care costs comes from this:
Remember I'm not saying it.. the people that practice it say it and the proof is a law passed in 1946 called Tort Reform Act.
Read very carefully how physicians under contract with the Federal government can't be sued and hence they don't practice defensive medicine as much.

Now if you want to complain about health care costs be so high... START HERE.. because until lawyers who average AVERAGE!! salary of $139,880 doesn't come from
resolving 96% of malpractice lawsuits out of court as it is "CHEAPER" for insurance companies to simply raise premiums we'll see that.

Now for another contribution to HIGH HEALTH CARE COSTS... LOOK up EMTALA a Federal law passed in 1986.
A clue... why does a hospital charge $3,000 for a CAT scan that the actual cost of doing a CAT scan is less than $100? Again look to EMTALA!

I'll expound on that later if you want. Remember I don't make these statements up. I have LINKS.

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I agree that we need tort reform and limits on medical liability claims.

But, there was nothing wrong with medical care before obozocare, no one was turned away and those of us who paid covered those who did not or could not. Employer subsidized medical insurance worked for everyone, employees and employers.

Socialized medicine, not matter what you call if, is not "free" and will result is long wait times for routine procedures, ask any Brit or Canadian. It will also place a huge financial burden on the taxpayers of the USA and will rapidly increase our national debt.

I understand that you want to pay less, so do I. but the plans you want will cost both of us more than what we have today and the level of care will be much worse.

We do need some cost controls on big pharma and all types of medical care. I don't like the government telling anyone what they can charge for their products and services, but this may be the one case what that would be a good thing.

 

[dblack]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

There are several factors involved in health care costs WHICH I"M very qualified (hence my "healthmyths" name) and I can share several factors that cause health care cost as a share of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 17.9 percent.Jan 8, 2018 or
Historical - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

According to physicians 26% of the $3.3 Trillion health care costs comes from this:
Remember I'm not saying it.. the people that practice it say it and the proof is a law passed in 1946 called Tort Reform Act.
Read very carefully how physicians under contract with the Federal government can't be sued and hence they don't practice defensive medicine as much.

Now if you want to complain about health care costs be so high... START HERE.. because until lawyers who average AVERAGE!! salary of $139,880 doesn't come from
resolving 96% of malpractice lawsuits out of court as it is "CHEAPER" for insurance companies to simply raise premiums we'll see that.

Now for another contribution to HIGH HEALTH CARE COSTS... LOOK up EMTALA a Federal law passed in 1986.
A clue... why does a hospital charge $3,000 for a CAT scan that the actual cost of doing a CAT scan is less than $100? Again look to EMTALA!

I'll expound on that later if you want. Remember I don't make these statements up. I have LINKS.

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I agree that we need tort reform and limits on medical liability claims.

But, there was nothing wrong with medical care before obozocare, no one was turned away and those of us who paid covered those who did not or could not. Employer subsidized medical insurance worked for everyone, employees and employers.

I disagree. I do agree that ACA is much worse, and 'universal healthcare' would be worse yet, but the existing setup is horrible. Employer provided health care, especially via "group" health insurance, isn't viable. I drives health care inflation and makes people virtual slaves of their employers. We need to remove all legislation and tax policy currently propping it up.

We do need some cost controls on big pharma and all types of medical care. I don't like the government telling anyone what they can charge for their products and services, but this may be the one case what that would be a good thing.

No. No. No. Like all such schemes, it would be controlled by the people who have the most at stake and achieve none of its intended goals.

 

[Cecilie1200]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I have received quotes from $1600-$1800 per month for a family plan. The best plan had a $2000 per year deductible. My wife stays at the job she has just for the insurance. Would our tax bill under the universal plan be $22,000 per year? We have an HMO plan right now, so wait times suck and we have limited choices. I sometimes wonder if it could get any worse?

This is one of the really bad problems about health care today. People have to stay in jobs they do not like simply to keep insurance.

We need Universal for everyone so what they have to pay goes directly to health care. One simplified plan with low over head. It can be Medicare for all,or whatever would work best.

First you say you want "low overhead", then you suggest we put the entire country on Medicare. Methinks you have no clue what you're talking about.

What we need is for lazy deadbeats to take responsibility for themselves, instead of hunting frantically for someone, anyone, to take care of them so they don't have to think, or work, or even move.