Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[Cecilie1200]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

Still hearing only his own self-righteousness, still not worthy of being read.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

It's not about compassion or hate. It's about recognizing the dangers of ubiquitous government. I don't want Trump in charge of my health care. Period.

Of course it's about compassion and hate. Richard has no compassion for his fellow man, so he doesn't want them to have self-determination. And he hates and fears the freedom of other people.

 

[Cecilie1200]

As I said earlier, No one seems to want to really study all the different forms of socialized healthcare to come up with a plan that will work for us.

Because they don't want medicine to be 'socialized'. Is that so hard to grasp?

It is if you're determined to never even HEAR what other people think, because you're too busy listening to the voices in your head tell you that you're so brilliant, no other opinions could possibly be valid.

 

[BluesLegend]

The chief advocate in this thread said this about Doctor's salaries under universal healthcare. This is why the left must be destroyed... "Under socialized healthcare their salaries would be determined by the system. If they didn't like it, too bad. If they want have a license to practice then they better accept what the system gives them."

 

[Cecilie1200]

WTF is wrong with you?
We were discussing free college and here comes your retarded ass

Breaking for s*** head dupes: a flat tax system is fantastic for the rich and screws the rest like you and your family and friends and acquaintances d u h.

How do you figure? Everyone pays 25%. The rich will pay much more than you or I. Right?

It's a stupid experiment and it does not work.
Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

So pretty much the 'rich' are evil is that what you are saying?

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

This sounds like the typical half bake stupid shit liberal nonsense. Your socialized healthcare pipe dream depends on whether doctors and those working in the healthcare industry would be willing to accept much less money for their services which they will not, its ******* retarded.

Under socialized healthcare their salaries would be determined by the system. If they didn't like it, too bad. If they want have a license to practice then they better accept what the system gives them.

However, there is no doubt that under a socialized healthcare system, doctor would be well paid. Not as well as they are now, but by the standards of everybody else they would be top earners.

If healthcare is so bad for doctors, then why hasn't there been a mass migration of doctors from socialized countries to the U.S.?

Maybe because doctors in these countries become doctors because they want to help people and not because their a bunch of whores like we have in this country.

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too). Guess which one they would choose?

And never mind that your "do as you're told or else" attitude would leave the rest of us with subpar doctors. Hey, gotta break a few eggs on your way to being King of the ******* Universe, right?

Yeah, the decision to stay in a country where you were born and raised and where all your family and friends live HAS to be all about a condemnation of other countries' economic systems. Of course it is.

If you have a horror of receiving your healthcare from a "whore" who's interested in being personally successful in his chosen field (the SWINE! How DARE he!), there are all kinds of charitable medical clinics in this country. Feel free to go to one. But stop trying to force ME to do so.

The **** is it with leftists that they simply cannot STAND to let other people choose something different than what they have decreed is the "right" choice?

 

[BluesLegend]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make? That is those corporations government chose not to nationalize and take over. Tip of the iceberg.

 

[dblack]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make?

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

 

[francoHFW]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make? That is those corporations government chose not to nationalize and take over. Tip of the iceberg.

Listen you brainwashed twits, having healthcare is not being a slave of the state LOL

 

[francoHFW]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make?

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

 

[francoHFW]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make? That is those corporations government chose not to nationalize and take over. Tip of the iceberg.

Look at every successful developed country and that is socialism. No one has ever taken over a corporation except possibly energy, another necessity.

 

[dblack]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make?

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

 

[francoHFW]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make?

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

 

[dblack]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make?

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

 

[francoHFW]

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make?

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

It was also the first time the the government got to regulate their spending. They had to cut their spending on non Healthcare from 27% to 20%, Etc. Of course it was only the beginning of regulation and tinkering, just like every other country keeps tinkering. Of course the scumbag GOP is bought by big business and Wants no regulation. What is your excuse? I know brainwashed....

 

[BluesLegend]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make? That is those corporations government chose not to nationalize and take over. Tip of the iceberg.

Listen you brainwashed twits, having healthcare is not being a slave of the state LOL

I have health insurance, I pay for it myself, follow my example you mooching deadbeats.

 

[BluesLegend]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make? That is those corporations government chose not to nationalize and take over. Tip of the iceberg.

Look at every successful developed country and that is socialism. No one has ever taken over a corporation except possibly energy, another necessity.

Lib please your own Maxine Waters threatened to take over all the oil companies in a House committee meeting. Its on video. Come over here franco, there

 

[BluesLegend]

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make?

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

ACA is a Dem wealth redistribution scheme to buy votes, period!

 

[BluesLegend]

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

It was also the first time the the government got to regulate their spending. They had to cut their spending on non Healthcare from 27% to 20%, Etc. Of course it was only the beginning of regulation and tinkering, just like every other country keeps tinkering. Of course the scumbag GOP is bought by big business and Wants no regulation. What is your excuse? I know brainwashed....

You Dem's went it alone, passed Obamacare all by yourself while telling the rest of the country to **** off. Don't pretend that we don't know who you people are because we do, that's why we defeated you at the polls.

 

[francoHFW]

Under socialized medicine, those damned elitist smart people would accept their proper place as slaves of the state, or they would go into other lines of work (at least until THOSE lines of work became slaves of the state, too).

Bingo! And if the socialists came to power how soon before corporations would be told how much profit they can make? That is those corporations government chose not to nationalize and take over. Tip of the iceberg.

Listen you brainwashed twits, having healthcare is not being a slave of the state LOL

I have health insurance, I pay for it myself, follow my example you mooching deadbeats.

I am retired and have Medicare thanks very happy no thanks to the GOP... You really are brainwashed seeing monsters under your bed LOL... Before Reagan we called them the unfortunate, hater dupe.

 

[dblack]

Or the corporations start telling government how much money they'd like to make.

It's a gigantic conspiracy again LOL...

No. It's just the way economic regulation works.

Do you have an example of that LOL?

ACA.. It was billed as "we the people" reigning in the insurance companies. But in fact, it was the opposite. It was the insurance industry reigning in its customers - even forcing the unwilling to become customers.

ACA is a Dem wealth redistribution scheme to buy votes, period!

And even that is a lie. All it does is funnel money to the insurance industry.