Is it better to live in the US or in Europe?

[Concerned American]

Better because governments are more likely to look out for you.

Europe is the place for you. I don't need a government to take care of me or tell me how I have to live. I am able to feed myself. I prefer that life.

 

[GLASNOST]

... Again opinion. ....

What's your point?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Yeah, but here he's talking about those things in life. Healthcare. Health. Mental health etc.

Better because governments are more likely to look out for you. The EU is much better than the UK, for example.

I disagree that their healthcare is necessarily better. For one, they pay incredibly higher taxes to afford their universal system. Two, many of those countries have much longer wait times than we do to be seen. The quality of healthcare in the United States is the best in the world. It’s the affordability of it that screws everybody here.

Again, it all depends on what you’re looking for

 

[Failzero]

Ahead in what way?

Carry Permits

 

[westwall]

Ahhhhhh you can't do it, you ******* retard. Go around acting like you're smart, get asked to show you're smart, and you can't do it.

Because guess what? You're ******* stupid.

No, I can do it, I just don't care about those artists, especially pollock.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I disagree that their healthcare is necessarily better. For one, they pay incredibly higher taxes to afford their universal system. Two, many of those countries have much longer wait times than we do to be seen. The quality of healthcare in the United States is the best in the world. It’s the affordability of it that screws everybody here.

Again, it all depends on what you’re looking for

The reason why I say "better" is that in the US you can pay every week for decades, and then you lose your job, you decide you can't afford healthcare, and then you get cancer and you're fucked.

In Europe, doesn't matter whether you can afford it or not, you get it.

Yes, the NHS is not as good as the good healthcare people who can afford it in the US get. However the US spends at least twice as much on healthcare. If the NHS spend say, 50% more, it'd have an amazing system.

The NHS is usually bad when the Tories get in and start defunding the NHS (along with everything else) which is a huge problem.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Europe is the place for you. I don't need a government to take care of me or tell me how I have to live. I am able to feed myself. I prefer that life.

I'm sure you don't quite get it.

For example, the rich using government to get what they want. It impacts you, even if you're living off the grid, it still impacts you to a certain extent.

 

[GLASNOST]

... healthcare ... The quality of healthcare in the United States is the best in the world. It’s the affordability of it that screws everybody here.

Tommy USA is a gazillionaire so the homeless man living under the park bench should stop moaning, right?

BTW, "the best in the world"? I don't think you've experienced very much of the world.

 

[GLASNOST]

The reason why I say "better" is that ..... In Europe, doesn't matter whether you can afford it or not, you get it.

That's right.

 

[GLASNOST]

... I don't need a government to take care of me or tell me how I have to live. I am able to feed myself. I prefer that life.

I'm sure you don't quite get it.

Clearly not.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No, I can do it, I just don't care about those artists, especially pollock.

Ah, the "I could do, but I don't want to"

I didn't ******* ask you to care about these artists. I asked you to QUANTIFY THEIR CREATIVITY.

******* how dumb are you?

Saying "I can do it"... do you know how many people say "I could define Communism, but I don't want to"... all it tells me is they can't, but they're trying to save face.

You can't save face, everyone on this forum knows you're a ******* asshole. So you can either do it, or shut the **** up and go back to your swamp.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Carry Permits

So, the only think you think is worth while in life is having a gun? Your life must suck.

 

[westwall]

Ah, the "I could do, but I don't want to"

I didn't ******* ask you to care about these artists. I asked you to QUANTIFY THEIR CREATIVITY.

******* how dumb are you?

Saying "I can do it"... do you know how many people say "I could define Communism, but I don't want to"... all it tells me is they can't, but they're trying to save face.

You can't save face, everyone on this forum knows you're a ******* asshole. So you can either do it, or shut the **** up and go back to your swamp.

Pollock paintings sell for an average of 133 million. That's how you quantify his creativity.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Pollock paintings sell for an average of 133 million. That's how you quantify his creativity.

No, that's not quantifying creativity at all.

This is Pendant portraits of Maerten Soolmans and Oopjen Coppit by Rembrandt. It's not very creative, is it? He painted with SKILL, but he didn't use his imagination. He copied what was in front of him, to a certain extent. He used techniques of darkness to bring out the color of the paint, slight creativity, but then a style common from the era. He was very technical, and creativity was almost zero.

That's the 8th most expensive painting ever, someone paid $180 million for it. Not for its creativity, but for the name Rembrandt and for the fact that it'll keep its value through inflation, assuming someone else wants to pay that much for it.

This is Suprematist Composition by Kazimir Malevich, someone paid $107.5 million for it. So under your theory it's nearly half the creativity of Rembrandt's picture. And yet it is far more creative. It's skill is pretty limited, a kid could do this. But the creativity, is there.

So, no, to quantify creativity you cannot put a PRICE on it. You're quantifying VALUE, not CREATIVITY.

So come on dumbfuck, keep showing us how dumb you are to make the claim that everything can be quantified.

 

[westwall]

No, that's not quantifying creativity at all.

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This is Pendant portraits of Maerten Soolmans and Oopjen Coppit by Rembrandt. It's not very creative, is it? He painted with SKILL, but he didn't use his imagination. He copied what was in front of him, to a certain extent. He used techniques of darkness to bring out the color of the paint, slight creativity, but then a style common from the era. He was very technical, and creativity was almost zero.

That's the 8th most expensive painting ever, someone paid $180 million for it. Not for its creativity, but for the name Rembrandt and for the fact that it'll keep its value through inflation, assuming someone else wants to pay that much for it.

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This is Suprematist Composition by Kazimir Malevich, someone paid $107.5 million for it. So under your theory it's nearly half the creativity of Rembrandt's picture. And yet it is far more creative. It's skill is pretty limited, a kid could do this. But the creativity, is there.

So, no, to quantify creativity you cannot put a PRICE on it. You're quantifying VALUE, not CREATIVITY.

So come on dumbfuck, keep showing us how dumb you are to make the claim that everything can be quantified.

Yeah, it is one way of quantifying creativity, what someone else is willing to pay for it.

Some think it's the only one that matters. I don't.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yeah, it is one way of quantifying creativity, what someone else is willing to pay for it.

Some think it's the only one that matters. I don't.

Not, it's not. It's not even close.

What someone is willing to pay for it, is the VALUE they think it's worth.

They're not valuing the creativity of the thing in the slightest.

If that's what you think, then you're as dumb as I thought you always were.

You really shouldn't go around making claims you have no idea about. And then calling people dumb because you think you know better.

 

[westwall]

Not, it's not. It's not even close.

What someone is willing to pay for it, is the VALUE they think it's worth.

They're not valuing the creativity of the thing in the slightest.

If that's what you think, then you're as dumb as I thought you always were.

You really shouldn't go around making claims you have no idea about. And then calling people dumb because you think you know better.

Yeah, it is. Creativity can be quantified by value, aesthetic appreciation, or emotional impact. Value is the only OBJECTIVE method of quantification.

All others are subjective.

You just hate that it can be broken down so simply.

 

[Meathead]

Here's a video from an American who's lived in London for 13 years.

He makes a good argument as to why Europe is better than the US for living in.

A lot of what he says is there's a better quality of life in Europe. Also that in the US the government is NOT working for the people, but working for the rich.

I'd agree with everything he says.

Obviously for people who are born in the US and understand the US, there's a comfort about living in their home country they might not get elsewhere. But for a comparison of a British person in Britain and an American in America, maybe it's better in the UK.

And, he says, all countries have their problems. The UK still have the FPTP political system, it's not great. Better than the US's but still deeply flawed. He does not say Europe is perfect. Just better.

So move, just not to the Czech Republic.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So move, just not to the Czech Republic.

I really don't think this conversation is for people of such low intellect as yours.

 

[Meathead]

I really don't think this conversation is for people of such low intellect as yours.

You bottomed out when you started it. Couldn't possibly go down.