Is carnivorism ethical?

[RetiredGySgt]

I am not interested in the pseudoscientific demagogy of propaganda, I rely on facts.

LOL you dont have facts you have PETA propaganda.

 

[Blues Man]

I am not interested in the pseudoscientific demagogy of propaganda, I rely on facts.

That;s right i forgot you're the guy who thinks diabetes doesn't exist

 

[Blues Man]

LOL you dont have facts you have PETA propaganda.

Nothing this guy is saying has anything to do with PETA

 

[WinterBorn]

LOL you dont have facts you have PETA propaganda.

No, you don't. You have been given facts, and yet you refuse to see them.

 

[rupol2000]

Of course there is.

Do you actually think that large scale agriculture existed from day 1?

And do you really think that every human obeyed Vedic laws?

It was specifically about the nomads, and in ancient times there were mainly Aryans, and according to the Vedas, their mores can be restored. Some people probably raised cattle for meat, and these were most likely goats and rams of the Yamnaya culture and Near East, and Pig-breading of Northe Europe before the Aryan invasion, but we say that not all people were meat-eaters and hunters, but only a part of them.

 

[rupol2000]

That;s right i forgot you're the guy who thinks diabetes doesn't exist

Before the advent of pseudoscientists, sugar in urine was called diabetes, hence the name. The fact that it does not exist in its modern interpretation is a fact. If they want to call it a disease, let them come up with an original name for it.

 

[rupol2000]

no.

Humans do not produce B 12

I got a little familiar with the topic. It is not entirely clear yet. B12 is produced by propionic acid bacteria and this bacteria there is in humans. It seems this is just lie of propaganda.

 

[rupol2000]

B 12 isn't found in plants

This is also lie. Peas, lotus, bamboo shoots, bean leaves and pods contains it

 

[9thIDdoc]

No we don't. You're probably going to use the old B 12 argument right?

The fact is that supplemental B 12 is absorbed more readily than B 12 produced my ruminants and humans need very little, only about 2.5 micrograms a day

Supplements are not part of a natural diet. They are artificially produced modern chemicals.

 

[rupol2000]

Supplements are not part of a natural diet.

Where did the information come from that a person does not produce it himself? This contradicts the fact that its producer Propionibacterium lives in a person.

 

[rupol2000]

As far as I understand, the main danger of vitamin B12 deficiency is anemia, and this is associated with the delivery of oxygen to the tissues, however, the excessive delivery of oxygen to the tissues is a destructive process, since oxidation leads to aging and cancer. It is extremely difficult to achieve a vitamin B12 deficiency even for a pure vegan, the reserves of a liver are enough for 3 years, and for this he must not eat at least peas for 3 years and remove all artificial additives from food. To do this, he will need a special pea-free diet and a chemical laboratory to remove B12 from foods.

And this is if we assume that he himself really does not synthesize it, which also contradicts the facts, as indicated above.

 

[Blues Man]

Supplements are not part of a natural diet. They are artificially produced modern chemicals.

So what?

The B 12 added to foods is actually better absorbed than what you get from animals unless you're eating organ meats and most people don't eat those.

Hunter gatherers ate lots of insect eggs and insects not to mention a good bit of dirt

 

[Blues Man]

This is also lie. Peas, lotus, bamboo shoots, bean leaves and pods contains it

Vitamin B12-Containing Plant Food Sources for Vegetarians

The usual dietary sources of Vitamin B[12] are animal-derived foods, although a few plant-based foods contain substantial amounts of Vitamin B[12] . To prevent Vitamin B[12] deficiency in high-risk populations such as vegetarians, it is necessary to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Plants are not a good source of B 12

 

[9thIDdoc]

Why would people hunt for meat when there are plenty of plants? For the simple reason that man cannot eat all plants and plants that he can eat are rarely available year round naturally. Plant some corn and it simply isn't going to make a crop by suppertime. Probably not this year. People tend to get awfully hungry after a few weeks. Not many edible plants available naturally during the winter. Hunter/gatherers are omnivores who hunt meat and gather whatever plants that can be found. Overall meat is pound for pound much more nutritious than plants, as well easier to find, prepare, transport and store. Far easier to predict where meat can be found than any particular plant unless you happen to have grocery stores. Our ancestors didn't.

 

[9thIDdoc]

So what?

The B 12 added to foods is actually better absorbed than what you get from animals unless you're eating organ meats and most people don't eat those.

Hunter gatherers ate lots of insect eggs and insects not to mention a good bit of dirt

There are probably more at least part time hunter/gatherers now than at any time in the past.
Plenty of organ meat being eaten in other foods like hot dogs boloney and sausage.

 

[Blues Man]

Why would people hunt for meat when there are plenty of plants? For the simple reason that man cannot eat all plants and plants that he can eat are rarely available year round naturally. Plant some corn and it simply isn't going to make a crop by suppertime. Probably not this year. People tend to get awfully hungry after a few weeks. Not many edible plants available naturally during the winter. Hunter/gatherers are omnivores who hunt meat and gather whatever plants that can be found. Overall meat is pound for pound much more nutritious than plants, as well easier to find, prepare, transport and store. Far easier to predict where meat can be found than any particular plant unless you happen to have grocery stores. Our ancestors didn't.

There is no doubt that in survival situations hunting provides a much larger caloric value than gathering plants.

Which is why nomadic tribes followed the herds of wild ruminants.

The one thing modern humans have become almost too proficient in is food production, processing and preserving so that at any time of any day a person can easily obtain more calories in an hour than a tribe of hunters could in a week.

We do not need to eat meat anymore to survive.

 

[Blues Man]

There are probably more at least part time hunter/gatherers now than at any time in the past.
Plenty of organ meat being eaten in other foods like hot dogs boloney and sausage.

Yeah those are "natural" right?

It's a hell of a lot healthier to eat whole grain cereal fortified with vitamins than it is to eat processed crap like hot dogs

 

[9thIDdoc]

It was specifically about the nomads, and in ancient times there were mainly Aryans, and according to the Vedas, their mores can be restored. Some people probably raised cattle for meat, and these were most likely goats and rams of the Yamnaya culture and Near East, and Pig-breading of Northe Europe before the Aryan invasion, but we say that not all people were meat-eaters and hunters, but only a part of them.

Most ancient nomads worldwide were nomads because they were following their food supplies.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Yeah those are "natural" right?

It's a hell of a lot healthier to eat whole grain cereal fortified with vitamins than it is to eat processed crap like hot dogs

Oh please, exactly what foods do you think you eat that are "unprocessed"? Whole grain fortified cereal, with or without added vitamins (chemicals), most certainly is.

 

[Blues Man]

Oh please, exactly what foods do you think you eat that are "unprocessed"? Whole grain fortified cereal, with or without added vitamins (chemicals), most certainly is.

Hey you're the one who has a problem with vitamins being added to foods and you think bologna and hot dogs are OK

And my organic rolled oats fortified with a little B 12 are nowhere near as processed as your hot dogs and a are a hell of a lot healthier choice.

2.4 micro grams of B 12 a day is all that is needed for adults. how much shit in in your hot dogs?