Zone1 Who is a more virtuous man?

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The framers our our constitution wrote much about "virtue," and I find that many with a deep knowledge of history agree, that they wrote about virtue, much more than they wrote about anything else. Heavy emphasis on "virtue."

I know people like to come across memes, and snippets of words the framers wrote, sharing then so out of context that they lose meaning. We see competing quotes, often from the same individual. How? Why? Context.

Virtue. We have many conservative Christians in America who now consider "selfishness" to be a virtue.

David French​

Opinion Columnist - 5 Jun 2025 - When Christianity goes wrong, it goes wrong in a familiar way.

Last Friday, at a town hall meeting in Butler County, Iowa, Senator Joni Ernst delivered a grim message to her constituents. In the midst of an exchange over Medicaid cuts in President Trump’s “big, beautiful bill,” someone in the crowd shouted at Ernst, “People are going to die!”
Ernst’s immediate response was bizarre. “Well, we all are going to die,” she said.

True enough, but that’s irrelevant to the question at hand. Yes, we’re all going to die, but it matters a great deal when, how and why. There’s a tremendous difference between dying after living a long and full life that’s enabled at least in part by access to decent health care, and dying a premature and perhaps needlessly painful death because you can’t afford the care you need.

All of this should be too obvious to explain, and it would cost Ernst — who occupies a relatively safe seat in an increasingly red state — virtually nothing to apologize and move on. In fact, just after her flippant comment, she did emphasize that she wanted to protect vulnerable people. The full answer was more complicated than the headline-generating quip.

By the standards of 2025, Ernst’s comment would have been little more than a micro-scandal, gone by the end of the day. And if we lived even in the relatively recent past, demonstrating humility could have worked to her benefit. It can be inspiring to watch a person genuinely apologize.

But we’re in a new normal now.
That means no apologies. That means doubling down. And that can also mean tying your cruelty to the Christian cross.
And so, the next day Ernst posted an apology video — filmed, incredibly enough, in what appears to be a cemetery. It began well. “I would like to take this opportunity,” she said, “to sincerely apologize for a statement I made yesterday at my town hall.” But her statement devolved from there.

“I made an incorrect assumption,” she continued, “that everyone in the auditorium understood that, yes, we are all going to perish from this earth.”

She didn’t stop there. “I’m really, really glad that I did not have to bring up the subject of the tooth fairy as well. But for those that would like to see eternal and everlasting life, I’d encourage you to embrace my lord and savior, Jesus Christ.”

Remember, this was not a snarky, impulsive rejoinder. It was a considered response. She decided to film the statement and release it. There is no ambiguity — the video delivered exactly the message she wanted to send.

 
When Christianity goes wrong, it goes wrong in a familiar way.
Religion is a tool. I don't blame guns either.

What do you do when the pie isn't big enough to feed the people at the table?
 
“People are going to die!”
My response would have been, you don't know that.

And it's not people. It's people older than 65 that are affected by medicare cuts.
 
The framers our our constitution wrote much about "virtue," and I find that many with a deep knowledge of history agree, that they wrote about virtue, much more than they wrote about anything else. Heavy emphasis on "virtue."

I know people like to come across memes, and snippets of words the framers wrote, sharing then so out of context that they lose meaning. We see competing quotes, often from the same individual. How? Why? Context.

Virtue. We have many conservative Christians in America who now consider "selfishness" to be a virtue.

David French​

Opinion Columnist - 5 Jun 2025 - When Christianity goes wrong, it goes wrong in a familiar way.

Last Friday, at a town hall meeting in Butler County, Iowa, Senator Joni Ernst delivered a grim message to her constituents. In the midst of an exchange over Medicaid cuts in President Trump’s “big, beautiful bill,” someone in the crowd shouted at Ernst, “People are going to die!”
Ernst’s immediate response was bizarre. “Well, we all are going to die,” she said.

True enough, but that’s irrelevant to the question at hand. Yes, we’re all going to die, but it matters a great deal when, how and why. There’s a tremendous difference between dying after living a long and full life that’s enabled at least in part by access to decent health care, and dying a premature and perhaps needlessly painful death because you can’t afford the care you need.

All of this should be too obvious to explain, and it would cost Ernst — who occupies a relatively safe seat in an increasingly red state — virtually nothing to apologize and move on. In fact, just after her flippant comment, she did emphasize that she wanted to protect vulnerable people. The full answer was more complicated than the headline-generating quip.

By the standards of 2025, Ernst’s comment would have been little more than a micro-scandal, gone by the end of the day. And if we lived even in the relatively recent past, demonstrating humility could have worked to her benefit. It can be inspiring to watch a person genuinely apologize.

But we’re in a new normal now.
That means no apologies. That means doubling down. And that can also mean tying your cruelty to the Christian cross.
And so, the next day Ernst posted an apology video — filmed, incredibly enough, in what appears to be a cemetery. It began well. “I would like to take this opportunity,” she said, “to sincerely apologize for a statement I made yesterday at my town hall.” But her statement devolved from there.

“I made an incorrect assumption,” she continued, “that everyone in the auditorium understood that, yes, we are all going to perish from this earth.”

She didn’t stop there. “I’m really, really glad that I did not have to bring up the subject of the tooth fairy as well. But for those that would like to see eternal and everlasting life, I’d encourage you to embrace my lord and savior, Jesus Christ.”

Remember, this was not a snarky, impulsive rejoinder. It was a considered response. She decided to film the statement and release it. There is no ambiguity — the video delivered exactly the message she wanted to send.

David French hates White people and a f****** fake Catholic
 
Our nation was founded as, and our founding documents describe, a rather Darwinian society. Some people succeed and some people fail. Some people are wealthy and some are poor. Some virtuous people are poor and some scoundrels are rich. That is not a problem to be solved by Government; that is reality.

To suppose that it is Government's "fault" if some citizen cannot get expensive care or drugs that could extend his life, is just silly. We do not live in the Soviet Union, and thank God we don't live in Cuba, but even if we did, there were and are people in the "Workers' Paradise" who get the best of care, and others who can't access the things they need to extend their lives.

Everybody will die. Some will have access to better care than others. So what? I believe in American "democracy" and if "we" wanted "free" healthcare we would have it. But there are too many of us out here who do not want our healthcare turned over to the same people who run Amtrak, the Post Office and the VA. Sorry.
 
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