Is anybody old enough to remember?

[flacaltenn]

That an Egyptian terrorist and nephew of a famous Nazi decided to name his terrorist group such does not mean there was any such thing as a Palestinian people.

Last time I checked, two guys couldn't really form a large organization.

That thousands of people identified as "Palestinians" before the 1967 war shows you just got it wrong.

They were there long before the European Squatters showed up.

Those Palestinians fought as JORDANIANS in the Six Day War.. Until the King of Jordan expelled the PLO in the 80s after they tried to march on his capital...

However, there WERE displaced Arabs when Israel was created. Most moved to Jordan where the the West Bank was a FULL THIRD of the Jordanian economy and the govt poured investment into it.. Only to WALK AWAY from the West Bank later on after having NO success in dealing with Arafat and other failed leaders...

 

[flacaltenn]

Maybe. The better question is, how is it the Jews keep getting kicked out of every place they live?

You mean like Czarist Russia? Their "diversity and multiculturalism" Czar hadn't been appointed yet. If you read history, those terms and "tolerant" govts hadn't yet been invented... Govt AND RELIGION were one and the same.. You sleep thru European history or something??

 

[JoeB131]

Those Palestinians fought as JORDANIANS in the Six Day War.. Until the King of Jordan expelled the PLO in the 80s after they tried to march on his capital...

However, there WERE displaced Arabs when Israel was created. Most moved to Jordan where the the West Bank was a FULL THIRD of the Jordanian economy and the govt poured investment into it.. Only to WALK AWAY from the West Bank later on after having NO success in dealing with Arafat and other failed leaders...

Okay, that's not saying much, as the Jordanian monarchs have always been more about their own interests than anyone else's.

Now, because I'm a reasonable guy, I could argue for the Two-State solution. The problem is, it's like asking to live in your own garage after a burglar has forced you out of you house.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean like Czarist Russia? Their "diversity and multiculturalism" Czar hadn't been appointed yet. If you read history, those terms and "tolerant" govts hadn't yet been invented... Govt AND RELIGION were one and the same.. You sleep thru European history or something??

Nope, I have a degree in history, thanks for asking.

I'm still waiting for these supposedly "Tolerant" governments to be invented.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Those Palestinians fought as JORDANIANS in the Six Day War.. Until the King of Jordan expelled the PLO in the 80s after they tried to march on his capital...

However, there WERE displaced Arabs when Israel was created. Most moved to Jordan where the the West Bank was a FULL THIRD of the Jordanian economy and the govt poured investment into it.. Only to WALK AWAY from the West Bank later on after having NO success in dealing with Arafat and other failed leaders...

Okay, that's not saying much, as the Jordanian monarchs have always been more about their own interests than anyone else's.

Now, because I'm a reasonable guy, I could argue for the Two-State solution. The problem is, it's like asking to live in your own garage after a burglar has forced you out of you house.

The problem is, it's like asking to live in your own garage after a burglar has forced you out of you house.

When you put it like that, I agree.
The Muslim burglars need to return to Saudi Arabia.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Those Palestinians fought as JORDANIANS in the Six Day War.. Until the King of Jordan expelled the PLO in the 80s after they tried to march on his capital...

However, there WERE displaced Arabs when Israel was created. Most moved to Jordan where the the West Bank was a FULL THIRD of the Jordanian economy and the govt poured investment into it.. Only to WALK AWAY from the West Bank later on after having NO success in dealing with Arafat and other failed leaders...

Okay, that's not saying much, as the Jordanian monarchs have always been more about their own interests than anyone else's.

Now, because I'm a reasonable guy, I could argue for the Two-State solution. The problem is, it's like asking to live in your own garage after a burglar has forced you out of you house.

The two state solution has already been implement. The large bulk of the Palestinian mandate was given to Arabs, which then became Jordan, and the much smaller portion was given to Jews, which became Israel.

 

[flacaltenn]

Those Palestinians fought as JORDANIANS in the Six Day War.. Until the King of Jordan expelled the PLO in the 80s after they tried to march on his capital...

However, there WERE displaced Arabs when Israel was created. Most moved to Jordan where the the West Bank was a FULL THIRD of the Jordanian economy and the govt poured investment into it.. Only to WALK AWAY from the West Bank later on after having NO success in dealing with Arafat and other failed leaders...

Okay, that's not saying much, as the Jordanian monarchs have always been more about their own interests than anyone else's.

Now, because I'm a reasonable guy, I could argue for the Two-State solution. The problem is, it's like asking to live in your own garage after a burglar has forced you out of you house.

Not a simple matter of One, Two, Three states.. The underlying continual failure is the fact that Arabs in general and Palis in particular --- DONT WANT a 21st century NATIONAL govt.. They rightfully dont TRUST national govts given the track records of Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi and the others..

Their ENTIRE IDENTITY is tribal and familial. They identify by city/region of origin. The failure of the PLO govt and the PaliAuthor. govt were the end of that.. And I think they're right. To have an Arab Nation State -- you need brutal dictators who can keep those tribal/familial wars to a minimum...

So -- there's no one to NEGOTIATE WITH.. Who does Israel deal with? You folks that treat this as a "political hobby" and have those "burglar" slogan have NO FREAKING IDEA why the Palis could never form a cohesive national anything..

It's actually pretty noble to want to organize your society along those lines of family, place of origin, tribe. And there are WAYS TO DO THAT -- that have been proposed.. Go read about the organization and founding of UAEmirates.. EMIRATES are the most cultural and stable Arab form of organization.. You can decorate the TOP LEVEL of a UAE with some shared needed "federal" infrastructure and be a UN member..

But just remember when you horse out your "1,2,3 state solution" -- there is currently NO organization that SPEAKS for all those Palestinians in Israel to negotiate with.. Better to be done by dealing with biggest 5 or 6 largest Pali city govts...

 

[JoeB131]

The two state solution has already been implement. The large bulk of the Palestinian mandate was given to Arabs, which then became Jordan, and the much smaller portion was given to Jews, which became Israel.

Nice fantasy, nobody is buying it.

How about this. We return Palestine to the Palestinians and the Europeans can set aside some land in EUROPE for the Zionists. That seem fair, since it was the Europeans who did the nasty to them in WWII.

 

[flacaltenn]

You mean like Czarist Russia? Their "diversity and multiculturalism" Czar hadn't been appointed yet. If you read history, those terms and "tolerant" govts hadn't yet been invented... Govt AND RELIGION were one and the same.. You sleep thru European history or something??

Nope, I have a degree in history, thanks for asking.

I'm still waiting for these supposedly "Tolerant" governments to be invented.

So this degree in history didn't include lectures on the MAJOR ROLE of state approved religions -0-- or the persecution of NON-approved religions???

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The two state solution has already been implement. The large bulk of the Palestinian mandate was given to Arabs, which then became Jordan, and the much smaller portion was given to Jews, which became Israel.

Nice fantasy, nobody is buying it.

How about this. We return Palestine to the Palestinians and the Europeans can set aside some land in EUROPE for the Zionists. That seem fair, since it was the Europeans who did the nasty to them in WWII.

We return Palestine to the Palestinians

It never belonged to them. And never will.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Nice fantasy, nobody is buying it.

How about this. We return Palestine to the Palestinians and the Europeans can set aside some land in EUROPE for the Zionists. That seem fair, since it was the Europeans who did the nasty to them in WWII.

It is no fantasy, subhuman. If you actually HAD a degree in history, you would know this.

 

[JoeB131]

So this degree in history didn't include lectures on the MAJOR ROLE of state approved religions -0-- or the persecution of NON-approved religions???

No, it just didn't describe them hysterically like that.

 

[Hollie]

The two state solution has already been implement. The large bulk of the Palestinian mandate was given to Arabs, which then became Jordan, and the much smaller portion was given to Jews, which became Israel.

Nice fantasy, nobody is buying it.

How about this. We return Palestine to the Palestinians and the Europeans can set aside some land in EUROPE for the Zionists. That seem fair, since it was the Europeans who did the nasty to them in WWII.

Who is the "we" you are volunteering to dismantle Israel? Grab your rakes and pitchforks and lead the gee-had, tough guy. Wannabe Caliphate'ist Erdogan wants the Caliphate back so send him an email and you two can realign borders across the Middle East.

You are obviously unaware that the geographic area of "Palestine" was land controlled by the Ottoman caliphate. At no time were ''Palestinians'' a distinct entity, separate from the caliphate.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The two state solution has already been implement. The large bulk of the Palestinian mandate was given to Arabs, which then became Jordan, and the much smaller portion was given to Jews, which became Israel.

Nice fantasy, nobody is buying it.

How about this. We return Palestine to the Palestinians and the Europeans can set aside some land in EUROPE for the Zionists. That seem fair, since it was the Europeans who did the nasty to them in WWII.

Who is the "we" you are volunteering to dismantle Israel? Grab your rakes and pitchforks and lead the gee-had, tough guy. Wannabe Caliphate'ist Erdogan wants the Caliphate back so send him an email and you two can realign borders across the Middle East.

You are obviously unaware that the geographic area of "Palestine" was land controlled by the Ottoman caliphate. At no time were ''Palestinians'' a distinct entity, separate from the caliphate.

He has been informed of this countless times but he continues with his lies because he is a creature of pure hatred.

Like the rest of the antisemites who wish to destroy the Jewish state, their entire system of lies is based upon this one, single lie -- that there was a "Palestinian" identity before the time it was actually invented.

 

[Picaro]

You can thank President Lyndon B Johnson for stopping Israel from taking over their 5 neighbors after the 6 Day War.
The US owes Israel big time.

they wouldn't have been able to keep their winnings then, any more than they could keep the Suez Canal. So yes, Israel does need to thank LBJ for saving them from yet another pie in the sky fantasy that would have cost them dearly later on.

 

[Picaro]

You prefer Jews keep a lid on Arabs the way the Arabs kept a lid on the Jews by stealing our assets and expelling is?
I agree!

Actually, what I want is my country to stop putting Zionist fantasies above American interests.

What you want is lots of pics of dead Jews to wank off to.

 

[Picaro]

The two state solution has already been implement. The large bulk of the Palestinian mandate was given to Arabs, which then became Jordan, and the much smaller portion was given to Jews, which became Israel.

Nice fantasy, nobody is buying it.

How about this. We return Palestine to the Palestinians and the Europeans can set aside some land in EUROPE for the Zionists. That seem fair, since it was the Europeans who did the nasty to them in WWII.

Who is the "we" you are volunteering to dismantle Israel? Grab your rakes and pitchforks and lead the gee-had, tough guy. Wannabe Caliphate'ist Erdogan wants the Caliphate back so send him an email and you two can realign borders across the Middle East.

You are obviously unaware that the geographic area of "Palestine" was land controlled by the Ottoman caliphate. At no time were ''Palestinians'' a distinct entity, separate from the caliphate.

He has been informed of this countless times but he continues with his lies because he is a creature of pure hatred.

Like the rest of the antisemites who wish to destroy the Jewish state, their entire system of lies is based upon this one, single lie -- that there was a "Palestinian" identity before the time it was actually invented.

Yes, and people continue to give the juvenile deviant troll attention. Just mock the moron until he tires and goes away. Serious answers mean nothing to left wing morons and miscellaneous ideologues on either side.

 

[Picaro]

Those Palestinians fought as JORDANIANS in the Six Day War.. Until the King of Jordan expelled the PLO in the 80s after they tried to march on his capital...

However, there WERE displaced Arabs when Israel was created. Most moved to Jordan where the the West Bank was a FULL THIRD of the Jordanian economy and the govt poured investment into it.. Only to WALK AWAY from the West Bank later on after having NO success in dealing with Arafat and other failed leaders...

Okay, that's not saying much, as the Jordanian monarchs have always been more about their own interests than anyone else's.

Now, because I'm a reasonable guy, I could argue for the Two-State solution. The problem is, it's like asking to live in your own garage after a burglar has forced you out of you house.

Not a simple matter of One, Two, Three states.. The underlying continual failure is the fact that Arabs in general and Palis in particular --- DONT WANT a 21st century NATIONAL govt.. They rightfully dont TRUST national govts given the track records of Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi and the others..

Their ENTIRE IDENTITY is tribal and familial. They identify by city/region of origin. The failure of the PLO govt and the PaliAuthor. govt were the end of that.. And I think they're right. To have an Arab Nation State -- you need brutal dictators who can keep those tribal/familial wars to a minimum...

So -- there's no one to NEGOTIATE WITH.. Who does Israel deal with? You folks that treat this as a "political hobby" and have those "burglar" slogan have NO FREAKING IDEA why the Palis could never form a cohesive national anything..

It's actually pretty noble to want to organize your society along those lines of family, place of origin, tribe. And there are WAYS TO DO THAT -- that have been proposed.. Go read about the organization and founding of UAEmirates.. EMIRATES are the most cultural and stable Arab form of organization.. You can decorate the TOP LEVEL of a UAE with some shared needed "federal" infrastructure and be a UN member..

But just remember when you horse out your "1,2,3 state solution" -- there is currently NO organization that SPEAKS for all those Palestinians in Israel to negotiate with.. Better to be done by dealing with biggest 5 or 6 largest Pali city govts...

Repatriate them back to the Ottomans, i.e. Turkey, or Syria, since they considered themselves part of 'Greater Syria'.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Yes, and people continue to give the juvenile deviant troll attention. Just mock the moron until he tires and goes away. Serious answers mean nothing to left wing morons and miscellaneous ideologues on either side.

I often wonder if some people simply did not receive the right kind attention as children, and so they spend their entire lives being repulsive creeps because that is the only way they get any attention at all.

I have long considered the hatred of Jews to be symptomatic of some much deeper issues. When some of these creatures create an entirely fictitious history to justify their hatred, doubly so.

 

[Picaro]

Yes, and people continue to give the juvenile deviant troll attention. Just mock the moron until he tires and goes away. Serious answers mean nothing to left wing morons and miscellaneous ideologues on either side.

I often wonder if some people simply did not receive the right kind attention as children, and so they spend their entire lives being repulsive creeps because that is the only way they get any attention at all.

I have long considered the hatred of Jews to be symptomatic of some much deeper issues. When some of these creatures create an entirely fictitious history to justify their hatred, doubly so.

Indeed. Most of it is just weird, as if there aren't any legitimate criticisms over thousands of years or something. For the left wingers here it's mostly coming from assorted sexual deviants and goes hand in hand with Xian bashing rubbish, and the holocaust denial is of course based on Nazi and European apologia; most of conquered Europe assisted in rounding them up, but they hope to bury it under 'Da Natzees did it!!!', particularly Poland and the other eastern Europeans, and of course the British were actually ramming refugee ships, as if Jews were supposed to remain forever in the concentration camps, where many still were in 1947, two years after being 'liberated', unable to return to Poland or the east for fear of being murdered by the locals as many indeed were when they tried to return to their homes. Sick freaks like Joe of course like the idea of mass murders instead.