How valuable are Jewish lives (comparing with American ones)?

[Lisa558]

I might have special needs and a low IQ, but the OP has an even lower one because nobody has ever claimed that lives of Jews mean more than any other human life. Idiot!

Yup. And he started this nasty thread in the Religion forum, which is supposed to be Zone 1.

 

[Lisa558]

I might have special needs and a low IQ, but the OP has an even lower one because nobody has ever claimed that lives of Jews mean more than any other human life. Idiot!

And don’t say you have a low IQ, dear. You’re a lot smarter than these idiots who are falling for all the anti-Jew and anti-Israel propaganda.

 

[ChristisKing]

Yup. And he started this nasty thread in the Religion forum, which is supposed to be Zone 1.

You should be a moderator on here. How is anti-Semitism any different from racism?

And don’t say you have a low IQ, dear. You’re a lot smarter than these idiots who are falling for all the anti-Jew and anti-Israel propaganda.

Thanks, but I don't understand anything in this thread besides the fact that the OP must be on stupid pills but I guess that's enough.

 

[Lisa558]

You should be a moderator on here. How is anti-Semitism any different from racism?

Thanks for the compliment, but they would never allow me to be a mod. They’d know I’d apply the same standards to antisemitism as racism.

Just look at this thread, sitting here in the Zone 1 Religion forum. The OP starts with an insulting insinuation (why are Jewish lives worth more than other people?), and then goes on to attribute all sorts of evil scenarios to Jews - like what if they attack neutral Arab countries…..what if they kill 20 million people?

And then he goes on to suggest that allowing a genocide of 7 million Jews would be better than allowing them to murder all of France.

 

[Zavulon]

That doesn't make any sense. All nukes are strategic. There's no such thing as a tactical nuke.

It is simply not true. Say, in the USA gravity B-61 nuclear bombs are "tactical". Russia has even bigger variety of tactical nukes, including artillery shells, deep charges, torpedoes and so on ... May be, in the tiny Israel and small sandbox of Middle East this difference is vague, but it exists. There is difference between gravity bombs and IRBMs with 4,000 km range.

And Israel fires them off before the French missiles even hit.

Not necessarily. It's a game for two. Someone shoot first, and other is dead. In our scenario (while it's not about military capabilities) France was successful in the destruction of short range weapons, but not successful in the destruction of long range weapons.

The president and entire government of France is dead, including all of their infrastructure. They've got some submarines but no one knows who is in charge.

C'mon... De-capitating strikes are much more Antient than nuclear weapons. And everybody has some kind of insurance against it. Like pre-war plans and taking responsibilities. And when 30% of your country is dead (including some of your friends and relatives) you do know what to do. Survived Admiral gives his order - "Strategic Submarines to keep deterring the USA. Attacking Submarines cover them. If anybody attacks you - launch missiles at already planned targets (US cities). The Carrier, leftovers of surface fleet, and land based Rafaels, in coordination with our Arab allies - continue wiping out the Jews. For the Revolution!"

"France"? If I want to talk to France, who do I call? Spolier alert. They're all dead.

Forty million or them (including most of military) still alive and kicking.

The way you talk about Jews is rather offputting. Would it change anything if it were France nuking the Saudis?

Feel free to explain your position about hypothetical French-Saudi nuclear war (starting with assumption that Saudies acquired nuclear weapons), which side will you pick.

We're not going to preemptively nuke anyone.

There is no difference. You attack French SSBNs - they launch missiles in the USA, because you put them in "use it or lose it" situation. Anyway, openly siding with the people who just killed every third of them - will definitely make you their enemy.

But taking out a submarine by non-nuclear means is still on the table. Would I do that? I'm not going to tell you. Meaning I'm not going to tell France. Better to keep them guessing and maybe hesitant.

They are not hesitating. Actually, they already killed three millions of Jews and going to kill more. They do need refuel planes, mount more cruise missiles, gather some intelligence, coordinate actions with Arabs and some other techical issues.
If you want to save rest of the population of Israel - you should act, and you should act right now.
And the only way you can attack France and minimise US losses - is to attack their nuclear submarines.

Nah. Israel saw the missiles coming and launched their own. Israel lives in a dangerous neighborhood and has plans for every kind of threat. I think France will hesitate to nuke Israel if they think Israel will nuke them back. Even Muslims value their own lives.

You thought it before the war. But now you have to deal with reality (in our game). And in this reality France and Israel already have exchanged with nuclear strikes, and both lost up to 30% of populations.

 

[Zavulon]

Thanks for the compliment, but they would never allow me to be a mod. They’d know I’d apply the same standards to antisemitism as racism.

There is no any antisemitism.

Just look at this thread, sitting here in the Zone 1 Religion forum. The OP starts with an insulting insinuation (why are Jewish lives worth more than other people?),

I don't think that Jewish people are more valuable than others. Actually, I said that from the point of view of American decision -maker, value of 6 mln Israeli people shouldn't be higher than value of 1 mln of Americans. 6:1 rate. And then I asked what is your rate?

and then goes on to attribute all sorts of evil scenarios to Jews - like what if they attack neutral Arab countries…..what if they kill 20 million people?

If you have nukes - you should be ready to kill people in millions or even in billions.

And then he goes on to suggest that allowing a genocide of 7 million Jews would be better than allowing them to murder all of France.

Of course no. I never said that. I didn't compare lifes of Jews and lifes of Frenchies or Arabs. I said that it might be lesser evil to allow Frenchies and Arabs kill all the Jews in Israel, than kill half of US population. Do you think different?

 

[Lisa558]

There is no any antisemitism.

I don't think that Jewish people are more valuable than others. Actually, I said that from the point of view of American decision -maker, value of 6 mln Israeli people shouldn't be higher than value of 1 mln of Americans. 6:1 rate. And then I asked what is your rate?


If you have nukes - you should be ready to kill people in millions or even in billions.


Of course no. I never said that. I didn't compare lifes of Jews and lifes of Frenchies or Arabs. I said that it might be lesser evil to allow Frenchies and Arabs kill all the Jews in Israel, than kill half of US population. Do you think different?

There’s no antisemitism?

You started an antisemitic thread, coming up with all these anti-Jew scenarios to try to make them look bad - they might nuke France! They could attack friendly Arab states! - to make it seem plausible that a genocide of Jews could be a good thing.

Now find some other antisemites to continue your ridiculous thread.

 

[Zavulon]

There’s no antisemitism?

You started an antisemitic thread, coming up with all these anti-Jew scenarios to try to make them look bad - they might nuke France!

Nuking France is not bad, it's good. Especially if we are talking about Islamo-Communistic regime, determined to supress or even eliminate Israel.

They could attack friendly Arab states! - to make it seem plausible that a genocide of Jews could be a good thing.

I never said that genocide of Jews could be a good thing. I just said, that genocide of Jews of Israel could be a lesser evil than the death of 50% of American population.

If you don't agree with this statement - explain why, pls. Do you believe that the lifes of six millions of Jews in Israel are more valuable than lives of 170 mln of Americans?

 

[Lisa558]

Nuking France is not bad, it's good. Especially if we are talking about Islamo-Communistic regime, determined to supress or even eliminate Israel.



I never said that genocide of Jews could be a good thing. I just said, that genocide of Jews of Israel could be a lesser evil than the death of 50% of American population.

If you don't agree with this statement - explain why, pls. Do you believe that the lifes of six millions of Jews in Israel are more valuable than lives of 170 mln of Americans?

^^^ This antisemite is getting his rocks off fantasizing a scenario where 7 million Jews can all be killed.

Sick, sick, sick.

 

[Zavulon]

^^^ This antisemite is getting his rocks off fantasizing a scenario where 7 million Jews can all be killed.

Sick, sick, sick.

Do you prefer to live in the world, where nice European guys simply can't kill six, seven or even ten millions of Jews? In the world in which you haven't make tough moral choices? In which something comes without a price?

 

[Lisa558]

Do you prefer to live in the world, where nice European guys simply can't kill six, seven or even ten millions of Jews? In the world in which you haven't make tough moral choices? In which something comes without a price?

We will never have to make the sicko choice you present.

The Iranian Islamic savages are not getting nukes.

 

[Zavulon]

We will never have to make the sicko choice you present.

If you don't make choice, it means that someone else will do this choice for you.
It means the Arabs and European will genocide Jews of Israel, and you'll do nothing about it, because you don't want to take responsibility. Right?

The Iranian Islamic savages are not getting nukes.

We are not talking about Iran. We are talking about France. And France already has nukes.

 

[ChristisKing]

Thanks for the compliment, but they would never allow me to be a mod. They’d know I’d apply the same standards to antisemitism as racism.

Just look at this thread, sitting here in the Zone 1 Religion forum. The OP starts with an insulting insinuation (why are Jewish lives worth more than other people?), and then goes on to attribute all sorts of evil scenarios to Jews - like what if they attack neutral Arab countries…..what if they kill 20 million people?

And then he goes on to suggest that allowing a genocide of 7 million Jews would be better than allowing them to murder all of France.

In what twisted world would Israel want to bomb France? Even I know that that's ridiculous. Where do they get this stuff from?

 

[Lisa558]

In what twisted world would Israel want to bomb France? Even I know that that's ridiculous. Where do they get this stuff from?

That antisemite gets off making up scenarios where Jews are hateful, dangerous attackers in order to dream up justification for another Holocaust.

 

[ChristisKing]

That antisemite gets off making up scenarios where Jews are hateful, dangerous attackers in order to dream up justification for another Holocaust.

So whataboutism. Got it.

 

[Eman623]

It is simply not true. Say, in the USA gravity B-61 nuclear bombs are "tactical". Russia has even bigger variety of tactical nukes, including artillery shells, deep charges, torpedoes and so on ... May be, in the tiny Israel and small sandbox of Middle East this difference is vague, but it exists. There is difference between gravity bombs and IRBMs with 4,000 km range.

Suicide is not a tactic.

Not necessarily. It's a game for two. Someone shoot first, and other is dead. In our scenario (while it's not about military capabilities) France was successful in the destruction of short range weapons, but not successful in the destruction of long range weapons.

With nukes there is no winning. Both sides end up dead.

C'mon... De-capitating strikes are much more Antient than nuclear weapons. And everybody has some kind of insurance against it. Like pre-war plans and taking responsibilities. And when 30% of your country is dead (including some of your friends and relatives) you do know what to do. Survived Admiral gives his order - "Strategic Submarines to keep deterring the USA. Attacking Submarines cover them. If anybody attacks you - launch missiles at already planned targets (US cities). The Carrier, leftovers of surface fleet, and land based Rafaels, in coordination with our Arab allies - continue wiping out the Jews. For the Revolution!"

You're rambling.

Forty million or them (including most of military) still alive and kicking.

Who's in charge? No one.

Feel free to explain your position about hypothetical French-Saudi nuclear war (starting with assumption that Saudies acquired nuclear weapons), which side will you pick.

It wouldn't change anything for me.

There is no difference. You attack French SSBNs - they launch missiles in the USA, because you put them in "use it or lose it" situation. Anyway, openly siding with the people who just killed every third of them - will definitely make you their enemy.

You don't know what France will do if the US attacks French SSBN. Especially then the leadership is dead.

They are not hesitating. Actually, they already killed three millions of Jews and going to kill more. They do need refuel planes, mount more cruise missiles, gather some intelligence, coordinate actions with Arabs and some other techical issues.
If you want to save rest of the population of Israel - you should act, and you should act right now.
And the only way you can attack France and minimise US losses - is to attack their nuclear submarines.

You thought it before the war. But now you have to deal with reality (in our game). And in this reality France and Israel already have exchanged with nuclear strikes, and both lost up to 30% of populations.

For the last time. America will not preemptively use nukes unless we are attacked with them first. Everything else is on the table. I'm not going to publicly discuss our strategy.

 

[OKTexas]

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