Iran's Answer to Trump's bombing

[SmokeALib]

AI Overview

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), also known as the Iran nuclear deal, was an agreement reached in 2015 between Iran and the P5+1 (China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States) along with the European Union. The main goal was to limit Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.

If it happened in the past, it could happen again, especially since Israel was bombing them successfully and 3 of their big leaders were killed. That means that Iran was more likely to attempt a deal now than even back in 2015. They had more to lose now than then.

You don't negotiate with terrorists. You destroy them.
I mean, I suppose you can go through the motions of talks. But the results never change.

 

[jc456]

You don't negotiate with terrorists. You destroy them.
I mean, I suppose you can go through the motions of talks. But the results never change.

well Smoke, the Iranians said they weren't going to discuss it anymore. So Trump said, let's discuss this and dropped 14 bunker busters on their asses. Iran had no choice to make a stance and not expect some aggression to get them to the table. Iran cannot have nuclear, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, Not sure what it is the demofks can't understand there. It seems quite clear.

 

[struth]

History ASSHOLE!!! The reason why Iranians chant "Death to America" is the Shah of Iran.

Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi | Biography, History, & White Revolution | Britannica

Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, shah of Iran (1941–79). A power struggle between him and Mohammad Mosaddegh led to the latter’s ouster in 1953, with help from the United States and the United Kingdom. The shah’s White Revolution fostered development but harmed many Iranians. He was ousted in the...

www.britannica.com

This guy was the model for every Hollywood portrayal of a Tin Pot Dictator from the Arab world for nearly 40 years. He lived in lavish luxury in golden palaces while his people starved. He tried to force "Westernization" on the people.



Little of that money filtered down to the people. The Shah murdered 100,00 of his own people, including members of his own family.



From the second article in that link, the Iranian Revolution:

When didn't put the last Shah in office back in 1941, his father was forced to step down, during WW2, when the UK and Russia invaded during WW2, because of his pro-hitler views.

Yes, the new Shan, the last Shah, was very pro-west, and believed in a modern and secular society....his plan was callded the Great Civilization., Great Civilization - Wikipedia

Interview statement​

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During an interview on the American political news program Meet the Press, interviewer Lawrence E. Spivak asked the Shah, "Your Majesty, in an interview last year you were reported as saying in 25 years Iran will be the fifth largest world power and that your achievements will be what you can contribute to civilisation. What is it you would like to contribute to civilisation?" The Shah responded:

[T]he wages and the revenues of every individual will be enough to cover their expenses. Many of their expenses will be sustained or subsidised by the states. Studies will be free until the end of the university level and more if necessary. [We] will provide even food for the children during their school hours. Every kind of insurances will take care of everything that could happen to them during their lives. So they will, since the moment that they will be born until they die, they will be covered by various kind of insurances or measures taken by the government or their society to provide them[…]” <a href="Great Civilization - Wikipedia"><span>[</span></a>

Women were free, could wear normal clothes, work...etc.

I can see how this upset the islamfascsit and their allies the demafacsit in the United States.

Remind me, doesn't your king live in a lavish palace?

 

[Dragonlady]

actually---not really I cannot thing of a single case of an Iranian bomb belt "martyr" ---maybe
because they don't know arabic. I have known scores of Iranians---none knew a word of arabic
or cared to. I knew a select group----the people who fled that land when ISLAM RAISED ITS
'#&#^@ head (like approx. the 1960s)

If they left Iran in the 1960's, they've bee out of the country for more than 60 years. Islam didn't raise it's head politically until the 1970's when the Shah of Iran began his White Revolution, and tried to force Westernization on the people.

It gained momentum when the nationalized oil industry profits, starting in the early 70's were spent on palaces, yachts and lavish living, instead of food, schools and raising the standard of living. I remember asking why the USA was backing and supporting this asshole, and the answer was always "Better dead than Red".

Any leftist government was seen as "communist", and had to be deposed.

 

[leftwinger]

Hopefully Iran is a paper tiger like Russia turned out to be.

And you're a Baby wipe so that's settled.

 

[struth]

If they left Iran in the 1960's, they've bee out of the country for more than 60 years. Islam didn't raise it's head politically until the 1970's when the Shah of Iran began his White Revolution, and tried to force Westernization on the people.

It gained momentum when the nationalized oil industry profits, starting in the early 70's were spent on palaces, yachts and lavish living, instead of food, schools and raising the standard of living. I remember asking why the USA was backing and supporting this asshole, and the answer was always "Better dead than Red".

Any leftist government was seen as "communist", and had to be deposed.

The White Revolution wasn't in the 1970s either you idiot.

It was in 1963 and was highlight popular with the people. A lot of the very wealth, inlamfashist hated it, the clergy types, because it involved land reform and uplifting the peasant class. White Revolution - Wikipedia

The bulk of the program was aimed at Iran's peasantry while redistributing the aristocrat landlord class wealth down to working class Iranians. Through land reform, the Shah hoped to ally himself with the peasantry in the countryside, and to sever their ties with the aristocracy in the city.

In order to legitimize the White Revolution, the Shah called for a national referendum in early 1963 in which 5,598,711 people voted for the reforms, and 4,115 voted against the reforms, though the referendum was boycotted by the opposition to the Shah.<a

In subsequent decades, per capita income for Iranians greatly increased, and petroleum export revenue fueled an enormous increase in state funding for industrial development projects,

However the revolution also aroused the antagonism of the Ulama (Islamic clergy) led by Ruhollah Khomeini, the future leader of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, who opposed the erosion of their traditional bases of power, and met with difficulties from a high failure rate for new farms and an exodus of agricultural workers to an alienating atomized life in the Iran's major cities

Not surprised to see the demafascsit hate this and ally themselves with the rich islamafascsit that want to oppress the people.

 

[irosie91]

If they left Iran in the 1960's, they've bee out of the country for more than 60 years. Islam didn't raise it's head politically until the 1970's when the Shah of Iran began his White Revolution, and tried to force Westernization on the people.

It gained momentum when the nationalized oil industry profits, starting in the early 70's were spent on palaces, yachts and lavish living, instead of food, schools and raising the standard of living. I remember asking why the USA was backing and supporting this asshole, and the answer was always "Better dead than Red".

Any leftist government was seen as "communist", and had to be deposed.

UHM ---so sorry I should have said THE LATE 1960s ---which is when I came into contact with the
REFUGEES from islam in the area of the USA in which I lived and a bit later in the very large hospital
in which I worked (1970s) I did have an Iranian colleague in the mid-seventies who was OVERJOYED
when the AYATOILET KHOMEINI grabbed power. He thought that Iran would BECOME an
economic paradise for the impoverished. ....... then it didn't work out. It takes me groping back to
.......how old I was when it happened.

 

[leftwinger]

If they don't, it was a wasted trip by the military when we are supposedly broke.

Ain't no supposedly about it. From GWB debt was below $10T but purple lipped jug ears years sent it to $20T. The rest is continued chaos until collapse.

Unless Trump regime can work more miracles. Probably unfixable.

Live lit up now brown cow. run up credit cards like dem DenWitted loons. Declare bankruptcy its all good.

 

[leftwinger]

So again, we need to accept Trump's failures because they are less than Biden, right?

What Trump failures? Get off boards TDS loon.

 

[leftwinger]

Their use of the "TDS" term has been the most ironic self-own of this whole ugly fuckin' period.

No matter your dreams Utah Mac. Mittens is not getting the top job. I know it burns your centrist lol! Rear end.

 

[Mac1958]

No matter your dreams Utah Mac. Mittens is not getting the top job. I know it burns your centrist lol! Rear end.

 

[Dragonlady]

You don't negotiate with terrorists. You destroy them.
I mean, I suppose you can go through the motions of talks. But the results never change.

So why was Trump trying to reup the Iranian Non-Proliferation Treaty when Israel attacked? The American negotiating team was schedule to meet with Iran last Monday. Israel bombed the Iranians on Friday while the Americans were on their way to that meeting, and for the sole reason to keep that meeting from happening.

And as for world leaders fear and respect Donald Trump that they wouldn't dare start a war with him in office, has been completely blown out of the water now. Bibi just said "**** you, asshole, I'm bombing Iran. Suck it."

 

[yidnar]

You think this occurred because some middle east country was strong?...............or were they simply "vindictive"..

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and do you think terrorists funded and supported by the world leading sponsor of terror had no desire to strike the US before we took out you allies nuke sites ? and for you info if we are hit it will likely be from a terror cell let in by the Biden admin.. so preemptively trying to place blame on the Trump admin will fail .

 

[Dragonlady]

UHM ---so sorry I should have said THE LATE 1960s ---which is when I came into contact with the
REFUGEES from islam in the area of the USA in which I lived and a bit later in the very large hospital
in which I worked (1970s) I did have an Iranian colleague in the mid-seventies who was OVERJOYED
when the AYATOILET KHOMEINI grabbed power. He thought that Iran would BECOME an
economic paradise for the impoverished. ....... then it didn't work out. It takes me groping back to
.......how old I was when it happened.

I agree that Iran needs to get rid of the Ayatollah and the Mullahs, but the USA and Israel are not the countries to be leading this movement. It would be like El Qaada trying to achieve regime change in the USA. Even those who oppose Trump would oppose those terrorists having any part of it.

 

[SmokeALib]

So why was Trump trying to reup the Iranian Non-Proliferation Treaty when Israel attacked? The American negotiating team was schedule to meet with Iran last Monday. Israel bombed the Iranians on Friday while the Americans were on their way to that meeting, and for the sole reason to keep that meeting from happening.

And as for world leaders fear and respect Donald Trump that they wouldn't dare start a war with him in office, has been completely blown out of the water now. Bibi just said "**** you, asshole, I'm bombing Iran. Suck it."

Reread my post, dummy. Going through the motions. Trump knows better. The results speak for themselves.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Defending Ukraine is the right move.

Defending Israel is the right move.

If you are on the side of Russia or Iran, move there. You will be much happier.,

No they will not. The last time you killed their leader, 100,000 Iranians were murdered by the guy the USA replaced him with. You are the last country in the world they would accept taking out their leadership. Israel the second last, but they hate YOU, more than they hate the Israeli's and if you were being honest, you'd realize their reasons are just as valid as your hatred of El Qaada, and for the same reason.

What happens if you kill their leaders? Who is going to take over? You killed Saddam with no one to replace him and you got ISIS. You failed to build a strong democracy in Afghanistan and the Taliban took a short drive to Kabul when you left. The army dropped their weapons and ran.

The CIA used to do a lot of regime changes but they always had a strongman ready to go in - Noreiga, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, Ferdinand Marcos. It doesn't work unless you have a government in exile ready to take over, and neither Trump nor Israel has any plan for Gaza, much less allies and a government in exile for Iran.

Iran has said they will not negotiate as long as they're being bombed.

We have never killed their chief mullahs.

Honey, this is a dictatorship, the which under 50 age people do not want.

Kill them, and the citizens will overthrow the government.

 

[irosie91]

I agree that Iran needs to get rid of the Ayatollah and the Mullahs, but the USA and Israel are not the countries to be leading this movement. It would be like El Qaada trying to achieve regime change in the USA. Even those who oppose Trump would oppose those terrorists having any part of it.

It does not seem to me that the USA or Israel have or want anything to do with such a movement----there
is lots of conjecture that the recent events will GALVANIZE a "revolution" over there. Of course---whatever
does happen---politically and socially----somehow it will become a CONSPIRACY (west or jew)

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Defending Ukraine is the right move.

Defending Israel is the right move.

If you are on the side of Russia or Iran, move there. You will be much happier.,

so we have to ignore and forgive Trump for doing anything wrong because Biden did worse, right?

Trump is fair game. All of our leaders are fair game.

 

[yidnar]

look, there is a BIG difference between being officially in a war and having attacks occur that are by PROXIES and that cannot be officially proven to be Iran vs the US attacks.

They key word is "OFFICIAL'. When it is official, you need to respond, or you look weak. That generates strong action and not just terrorist attacks that happen everywhere and to everyone.

Opposition to the bombing of Iran is not "supporting Iran", or Russia. You're enlarging two rapidly growing conflicts that are heading directly for a widening world war. The entry of Russia and China, Iran's allies, into the conflict, shows the idiocy of Trump's jumping into the war.

I wonder how much of his decision is based on the mess he's in at home, and his desire to be able to shut down opposition at home. If the nation is at war, or their is a terrorist attack on US soil, Trump will have unlimited powers to end democracy, protest, and elections.

worry about the democracy that is rapidly dying in the communist country called Can'tada ..

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Most of you have not an idea of what Iran is, was, or can become.