Trump is wavering on Iran.

[meaner gene]

here is what you said yesterday

and undeclared war, doesn't need any declaration of war. ...

The Court clearly stated the PResident didn't need to get a declaration from congress for war...

So we agree a war is a war, even if undeclared.

 

[struth]

So we agree a war is a war, even if undeclared.

No, a war has to be declared....and something undeclared, such as a conflict, or operation, can certainly have the same impact, legally, as a war....such as getting military benefits, etc

 

[meaner gene]

No, a war has to be declared....and something undeclared, such as a conflict, or operation, can certainly have the same impact, legally, as a war....such as getting military benefits, etc

Absolutely wrong.
A war is like a police officer doing an arrest.
The court repeatedly said the arrest is effected by the actions of restraint, and doesn't require it be declared.

And that's when various arrest rights, like Miranda kick in.

War is no different. the legal status is based on the use of force, and not just a congressional declaration.

 

[struth]

Absolutely wrong.
A war is like a police officer doing an arrest.
The court repeatedly said the arrest is effected by the actions of restraint, and doesn't require it be declared.

And that's when various arrest rights, like Miranda kick in.

War is no different. the legal status is based on the use of force, and not just a congressional declaration.

A war is nothing like a police officer arresting someone....what in the world are you talking about?

Sure a war is a state of being, the Yankees can go to war with the Red Sox....the act of the military engaging in a conflict or operation can certainly feel like an actual declared war, but it's not....actually a war...since it's not declared.

 

[meaner gene]

A war is nothing like a police officer arresting someone....what in the world are you talking about?

Sure a war is a state of being, the Yankees can go to war with the Red Sox....the act of the military engaging in a conflict or operation can certainly feel like an actual declared war, but it's not....actually a war...since it's not declared.

Your position is that if it looks like a war, and walks like a war, and sounds like a war. It's not a war unless someone declares it, or there's somebody in the forest to hear it.

 

[georgephillip]

Turkey and Greece are knife to knife with each other - Israel has already taken advantage of this by reducing it's military cooperation with Turkey to almost zero- whilst at the same time massively upgrading Israel-Greece economic and foremost military cooperation and ties

Israel has made it clear Turkey is next; however, I wasn't aware of the Greek role.

The current animosity between Turkey and Israel has some cold war echoes:

"As I (Trita Parsi) describe in Treacherous Alliance, a similar situation emerged after the end of the Cold War: The collapse of the Soviet Union dramatically changed the global distribution of power, and the defeat of Saddam's Iraq in the Persian Gulf War reshuffled the regional geopolitical deck.

"A nascent bipolar regional structure took shape with Iran and Israel emerging as the two main powers with no effective buffer between them (since Iraq had been defeated)"

Why Israel is now turning its sights on Turkey

Turkey, as a NATO member, is a much different problem for Israel even if Iran's power in the region is diminished, which doesn't look likely at this time.

 

[struth]

Your position is that if it looks like a war, and walks like a war, and sounds like a war. It's not a war unless someone declares it, or there's somebody in the forest to hear it.

Yes a war has to be declared for it to be a war, legally speaking

Much like an arrest as to be declared,, with an actual warrant or in some cases if the crime happens in front of an officer

Something can look like an arrest, such as being detained, but it’s not an actual arrest

Something

 

[meaner gene]

Yes a war has to be declared for it to be a war, legally speaking

Tell that to the Department of Veterans Affairs, who say you're wrong.

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs recognizes these official wartime periods:

Korean Conflict: June 27, 1950 – January 31, 1955

Vietnam War Era:
February 28, 1961 – May 7, 1975 (in Vietnam)
August 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975 (outside of Vietnam)

Gulf War: August 2, 1990 – present (this is an ongoing wartime period as designated by Congress)

Veterans do not need to have served in a combat zone to meet these wartime service requirements

 

[struth]

Tell that to the Department of Veterans Affairs, who say you're wrong.

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs recognizes these official wartime periods:

Korean Conflict: June 27, 1950 – January 31, 1955

Vietnam War Era:
February 28, 1961 – May 7, 1975 (in Vietnam)
August 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975 (outside of Vietnam)

Gulf War: August 2, 1990 – present (this is an ongoing wartime period as designated by Congress)

Veterans do not need to have served in a combat zone to meet these wartime service requirements

I never said those were wars

NK and SK were in a war

SV and NV were in a war

The First Gulf War was a war between the UN and Iraq. The UN security counsel authorized the states to act.

 

[meaner gene]

I never said those were wars

NK and SK were in a war

SV and NV were in a war

The First Gulf War was a war between the UN and Iraq. The UN security counsel authorized the states to act.

That you still cling to the stupidity that wars as official recognized by the Dept of Veterans Affairs for the dispensing of taxpayer funds for additional "wartime" benefits means you've jumped the battery powered shark.

 

[struth]

That you still cling to the stupidity that wars as official recognized by the Dept of Veterans Affairs for the dispensing of taxpayer funds for additional "wartime" benefits means you've jumped the battery powered shark.

Why shouldn’t they recognize them as wars?

Why shouldn’t the vets get war time benefits? They were involved in the wars.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Iran is winning the political battle. Regardless of the righteousness of Trump's cause his poll numbers continue to fall. GOP support for him will also jeopardize the midterms for the GOP. This is what Iran is angling for, to defang the Trump administration. IMO, Trump should make any deal he can get to open up the strait of Hormuz, even feigning strategic defeat. He can resume bombing after the fall elections.

/——/ Well, that didn’t age well.

‘Designated target’ Mojtaba Khamenei to sign Trump deal in ‘unprecedented’ courier setup

Experts say the U.S. is negotiating with an invisible counterparty as Mojtaba Khamenei reportedly remains in hiding and relies on secret couriers.

www.foxnews.com

Iran’s supreme leader, Mojtaba Khamenei, would have to approve any final deal with the U.S. through secret courier networks while remaining in hiding as a "designated target," counterterrorism experts said Tuesday.

The unprecedented arrangement, they claimed, means Washington is negotiating a high-stakes accord with an entirely invisible counterparty, with a potential memorandum signed by a regime leader and a "designated target" who can never publicly show his face.

 

[meaner gene]

Why shouldn’t they recognize them as wars?

Why shouldn’t the vets get war time benefits? They were involved in the wars.

Except you said they were NOT wars.


Mulligan time?

 

[struth]

Except you said they were NOT wars.


Mulligan time?

No i didn’t. I repeatedly stated NK and SK were at war, NV and SV were at war

The USA wasn’t engaged in wars with any of them. We however did engage in conflict with NK and NV

 

[Kruska]

Israel has made it clear Turkey is next; however, I wasn't aware of the Greek role.

Well, Greece is the #2 country after the USA - where the IDF (foremost it's Air-force) operates in joint tactical drill's - stations aircraft and naval units, and participates very actively on life firing training grounds.

Turkey, as a NATO member, is a much different problem for Israel even if Iran's power in the region is diminished, which doesn't look likely at this time.

The narcissistic fraudster, IMO will put an end to NATO this year. With the USA holding onto those bases it deems necessary - but nothing more. Is Europe NATO going to aid Turkey against Israel & Greece? I don't belief they will - aside from lots of negotiations and peace talks.

 

[meaner gene]

No i didn’t. I repeatedly stated NK and SK were at war, NV and SV were at war

The USA wasn’t engaged in wars with any of them. We however did engage in conflict with NK and NV

The Korean War

Nearly 37,000 U.S. service members were killed in action and over 92,000 were wounded.

The Vietnam War

58,220 U.S. service members were killed or went missing in action, with over 153,000 wounded.

 

[struth]

The Korean War

Nearly 37,000 U.S. service members were killed in action and over 92,000 were wounded.

The Vietnam War

58,220 U.S. service members were killed or went missing in action, with over 153,000 wounded.

Yes Americans died there.