Zone1 Intellectual Honesty

[longly]

All the reporting I've seen suggests a terrible accident and certainly not a deliberate event or worse, act of terrorism, as some want us to believe.

I can post myriad links but picked this one because it confirms what I thought I saw in the videos. The ship was moving backwards and went stern first under the bridge. That really underscores that it was in no way intentional.

Two crew members killed when Mexican tall ship strikes Brooklyn Bridge

A Mexican navy sailing ship on a global goodwill tour struck the Brooklyn Bridge in New York on Saturday, snapping its three masts, killing two crew members and leaving some sailors dangling from harnesses high in the air waiting for help.

www.pbs.org

I agree, smart people do dumb things all the time, even Mexican naval cadets.

 

[alang1216]

I mean in reality. Which is the only way.

Which reality?

 

[Foxfyre]

If the narratives of the government are true, then they would have no problem releasing the files and evidence to prove it. As it is, their narratives aren't, so they won't.

They won't do it with the Epstein files, nor, as has been seen, they will never give us all the complete information regarding the JFK dealio. Even though congress mandated that they need to, and they still are in defiance of the law.



Now, if the bureaucracy did release the files the prove their case, and the evidence was reviewed by non-governmental independent investigators as factual, sure, I would change my mind and admit I'm nothing but a paranoid kook.

IMO, only normies bleev the government and corporations doesn't lie to us.

And after that whole scamdemic bullshit, I am amazed folks still aren't wise to what the hell is going on.

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All I am saying is that both Kash Patel and Dan Bongino changed their mind and accepted that Epstein committed suicide once they had access to all the files and evidence. There is any number of reasons why they would not make those files public, the largest being that it would likely violate the privacy of people and the public has no material interest or need to know what is in those files.

I honestly do not see why either man would choose to lie about that so I am comfortable accepting their conclusion.

But as you point out, you and probably many others will remain unconvinced.

We believe what we believe.

 

[Foxfyre]

I agree, smart people do dumb things all the time, even Mexican naval cadets.

In this case I'm not sure there was even human error involved. I think ultimately it will be determined that it was just a tragic accident that the crew honestly and realistically could not prevent under the circumstances.

But after reading all the accounts and the history of the ship, I am quite confident that conspiracy theories that it was hoodlum Mexicans invading our space and committing an act of terrorism cannot be supported with any reason or fact.

 

[candycorn]

Here you go. Someone being deliberately dishonest.

Just asked for a quote. You seem incapable of providing one. I guess you’re lying. Imagine my shock

 

[candycorn]

And this speaks for the entire “left”?

 

[sparky]

We believe what we believe.

Or what to believe FF

Consider that we've had a rather corrupt government , which at this point in time is being exposed

A somewhat tedious affair where many players intellectual honesty is being challenged......

~S~

 

[80zephyr]

Which reality?

I know the difference between pretend and reality. If you don't, then everything in your experience can be real. Humanity cannot function when everyone can have their own reality.

 

[80zephyr]

Just asked for a quote. You seem incapable of providing one. I guess you’re lying. Imagine my shock

You already know that I'm right. If you haven't seen the videos of what leftists say when asked "what is a woman",

it would be time to crawl out of your cave and look around.

 

[candycorn]

You already know that I'm right. If you haven't seen the videos of what leftists say when asked "what is a woman",

it would be time to crawl out of your cave and look around.

I just asked you for a quote so we can see who is allegedly saying what you’re fantasizing about.

Maybe you’re delusions have gotten the better of you?

 

[80zephyr]

I just asked you for a quote so we can see who is allegedly saying what you’re fantasizing about.

Maybe you’re delusions have gotten the better of you?

If you actually follow this thread you would have seen the 2 examples already.

 

[Foxfyre]

Or what to believe FF

Consider that we've had a rather corrupt government , which at this point in time is being exposed

A somewhat tedious affair where many players intellectual honesty is being challenged......

~S~

In my thread on hoaxes, not a single USMB leftist has admitted that any of those debunked hoaxes were in fact not true. Several are straining at gnats trying to justify some of them or pretend they were never really put out there.

The desire to believe something no matter how much a person cannot justify that belief can pretty much throw intellectual honesty out the window.

 

[candycorn]

If you actually follow this thread you would have seen the 2 examples already.

Then you should have no problem producing the quotes. We both know you won’t. Tap out already

 

[candycorn]

In my thread on hoaxes, not a single USMB leftist has admitted that any of those debunked hoaxes were in fact not true. Several are straining at gnats trying to justify some of them or pretend they were never really put out there.

The desire to believe something no matter how much a person cannot justify that belief can pretty much throw intellectual honesty out the window.

You post on hoaxes is (appropriately) totally made up. You’re a dishonest person

 

[80zephyr]

Then you should have no problem producing the quotes. We both know you won’t. Tap out already

You missed them? Maybe you should be more thorough.