Zone1 Intellectual Honesty

[mamooth]

ZONE 1 everybody so keep it civil:

No problem.

From my observations over the last 20 years, you're stating the exact opposite of reality. While the left is occasionally dishonest, the right, the GOP and and the almost-entirely-conservative-MSM make dishonesty a constant habit.

That is, on the whole, the left is intellectually honest, the right is intellectually dishonest.

See: Trump. Lies about literally everything. Never admits to it. And almost all of his followers here constantly run cover for that, knowingly. The left on this board tends to be intellectually honest, the right tends to be intellectually dishonest.

Also, if you just wanted to discuss whether people can admit they were wrong, you didn't need start off by getting digs in on Democrats. Since you deliberately made it a partisan thread, it's okay for me to be just as partisan.

 

[Kilroy2]

Different thesis. Different topic. This thread is re intellectual dishonesty or defending what you KNOW is error.

The error was believing that the earth is flat because you are looking out the door.

 

[Foxfyre]

No problem.

From my observations over the last 20 years, you're stating the exact opposite of reality. While the left is occasionally dishonest, the right, the GOP and and the almost-entirely-conservative-MSM make dishonesty a constant habit.

That is, on the whole, the left is intellectually honest, the right is intellectually dishonest.

See: Trump. Lies about literally everything. Never admits to it. And almost all of his followers here constantly run cover for that, knowingly. The left on this board tends to be intellectually honest, the right tends to be intellectually dishonest.

Also, if you just wanted to discuss whether people can admit they were wrong, you didn't need start off by getting digs in on Democrats. Since you deliberately made it a partisan thread, it's okay for me to be just as partisan.

Since I didn't even mention Democrats in the OP, this post can be seen as intellectually dishonest from the get go. Or maybe just intellectually missing as the OP is not about whether people can admit they are wrong.

But do have a lovely evening.

The error was believing that the earth is flat because you are looking out the door.

It doesn't matter. What a person believes is what a person believes. It is not intellectually dishonest to believe something that has no basis in fact when you believe it is true.

What makes it intellectually dishonest is to defend/promote/broadcast what you know is not true.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

But when we don't know for sure what actually happened, the intellectually honest position is "I don't know."

I appreciate your intent, I have instances where I may have a hunch and an opinion but at the end of the day say there's no way to know.

Take the 2020 election for example:
1. Was it "stolen"? Possibly, but that's a gigantic claim. There's certainly odd occurrences that happened in this election, like a weird 15+ million uptick in Democrat voters for this one election, and major weird 3am downloads that went like 98% Democrat, and statistical near-impossibilities that happened in certain pivotal counties in Michigan and Pennsylviania.. along with other documented instances of polling places covering their windows and doing other shady things. At the end of the day, I say I cannot say it was stolen, even though I say it looks very shady.

2. Was it "rigged"? Absolutely. The MSM held Biden's water, as an institution systemically slammed the populace with Democrat propaganda that included proven falsehoods like the Russia Collusion Hoax, the Steele Dossier (that was paid disinformation by the DNC). Meanwhile, the deep state in the intelligence agency attacked the legitimacy of a true story that was the Hunter Biden Laptop, and DNC/Social media orchestrated the censoring of any mentions of it. They also outright censored and deleted a sitting presidents account on their platform.

So words can matter. The 2020 election was corrupt. It wasn't stolen, but you had the DNC, the Mainstream Legacy media, and intelligence agencies, and the gigantic big tech companies all working in unison to support the Democrats and harm Trump and the Republicans. It was a systemic corruption, clear as day.

 

[Kilroy2]

Since I didn't even mention Democrats in the OP, this post can be seen as intellectually dishonest from the get go. Or maybe just intellectually missing as the OP is not about whether people can admit they are wrong.

But do have a lovely evening.

It doesn't matter. What a person believes is what a person believes. It is not intellectually dishonest to believe something that has no basis in fact when you believe it is true.

What makes it intellectually dishonest is to defend/promote/broadcast what you know is not true.

You missed the definition

Intellectual honesty is an applied method of problem solving characterized by a nonpartisan and honest attitude,

The key word is problem solving not what one wants to belief because they were told so or have an agenda that they want to push .

It starts with an open mind and not looking to justify what one wants to believe. .