...'Insurrection' on J6 = the real deal ....

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No guns, no insurrection, soi boi....

20 seconds in:



there is RADIO TRANSMISSION & VIDEO TAKEN BY SECRET SERVICE, dimbulb.

 

[jotathought]

The penalty isn't harsh enough to suit the crime.
In this case they engaged in crimes against their country that would warrant the death penalty.

The uncomfortable question to ask is: Why have the courts been so lenient?
Is there a suspicion that Trump could rally his troops and then the majority of the country would rally behind him?W
We can at least understand that there's hesitancy to move against Trump still, and the DOJ needs to continue to build negativity against Trump before it's in a safe position to take him down.

Yet .. a majority of the 800-ish charged with participating on January 6th for trespassing and obstruction charges are getting more time than actual insurrectionists who provoked violence and incited violence in New York BLM riots and used molotov cocktail explosives against law enforcement.

 

[playtime]

Nope. Use a dictionary instead of spewing a bunch of ignorant shit.

i'd rather go straight to the law.

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy​

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

 

[playtime]

None of that is actually true, of course.

100% factual.

 

[miketx]

As we all have seen on this venue there is a segment (growing ever smaller, btw) ...but a faction of posters here who will not admit---yet ----that the violent attempt to stop the Constitutionally mandated peaceful-transfer-of-power was, in fact, an insurrection.

Yeah, their view conflicts with both the colloquial understanding of the word, and the statutory definition.

But their hesitancy no longer matters all that much. Their view has been fading for some time now. But yesterday, a nail on the issue was firmly pounded into place.

A DC trial court, in passing judgement (and a sentence - 68 months) clearly and unambiguously stated in open court, on the record.....that the January 6th attempted insurrection WAS......in fact, an insurrection.
Here are the court's statements as reported in Politico: (my avatar has bolded the word 'insurrection' as emphasis)
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"Jan. 6 defendant who sprayed line of police sentenced after tearful apology​

“You’re entitled to your political views but not to an insurrection," the judge said before delivering 68-month jail term.
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By KYLE CHENEY -- Politico 02/01/2023 04:55 PM EST

"A Jan. 6 defendant who sprayed a chemical irritant at about 15 police officers — and later bragged about it in a video interview — was sentenced Wednesday to 68 months in prison. This is one of the stiffest Jan. 6 sentences handed down to date.

Daniel Caldwell, a 51-year-old Marine Corps veteran, delivered a tearful apology in court to the officers he sprayed, expressing remorse for his actions that day and pleading with U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly for mercy.
But Kollar-Kotelly repeatedly described Caldwell as an “insurrectionist” and noted that his deployment of chemical spray at officers created such an intense cloud that it nearly broke the depleted police line by itself.
“You’re entitled to your political views but not to an insurrection,” the judge said. “You were an insurrectionist.”

Kollar-Kotelly also put his involvement in the broader Jan. 6 attack in the context of previous challenges to the United States government. She said it was crucial for her sentence to “fortify against the revolutionary fervor that you and others felt on Jan. 6 and may still feel today.”

“Insurrection is not,” she said, “and cannot ever be warranted.”

If it's so real like you howlers keep chanting, why hasn't Trump been arrested?

 

[miketx]

put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them,

Yet they had no weapons. Fail.

 

[Chillicothe]

"A bunch of unarmed people are invited inside the Capitol .......with your stupid "insurrection" BS. I just laugh at the obvious gaslighting attempts from you progponces & fembots....."

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Well, we do understand and empathize with the befuddlement the Politico reportage may have created in some. We feel their pain.
However, the complaining by those who are unhappy with the statements from the court....really must not be directed at any imagined 'fembot' villains.

Rather, communicatons to their Congressional delegation really would likely have far more effect...if any.....if they narrowed their concerns to just the court that clearly described the convicted criminal and the actions he participated in as "insurrection".

Look, we all understand that some posters, and poster 'johngalt' appears to be one of that diminishing cohort, who feel they are being effective citizens by anonymously complaining and calling others pejorative names on an internet social media-site.

Regardless, we would ask that if they do decide to notch it up to a more responsible level....by, say, writing the court (or their Representative), well, would they copy this forum with their messaging?

We all may be able to learn from them.

Good luck, poster 'johngalt'.

 

[miketx]

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Well, we do understand and empathize with the befuddlement the Politico reportage may have created in some. We feel their pain.
However, the complaining by those who are unhappy with the statements from the court....really must not be directed at any imagined 'fembot' villains.

Rather, communicatons to their Congressional delegation really would likely have far more effect...if any.....if they narrowed their concerns to just the court that clearly described the convicted criminal and the actions he participated in as "insurrection".

Look, we all understand that some posters, and poster 'johngalt' appears to be one of that diminishing cohort, who feel they are being effective citizens by anonymously complaining and calling others pejorative names on an internet social media-site.

Regardless, we would ask that if they do decide to notch it up to a more responsible level....by, say, writing the court (or their Representative), well, would they copy this forum with their messaging?

We all may be able to learn from them.

Good luck, poster 'johngalt'.

 

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Yet they had no weapons. Fail.

you're late.

...'Insurrection' on J6 = the real deal ....

 

[Donald H]

SOME were 'let in ' because SOME of the capital police were trump humpers. others were outnumbered by the sheer number of flying monkeys pushing their way towards the entrances.

& some of donny's boots testified under oath that theye were following donny's orders to go to the capital & fight or they wouldn't have a country any more.

If Trump didn't command the dedication and loyalty of a significant threat against the law, he could conceivably be behind bars awaiting the death penalty.

There's no credibility in the notion that it wasn't an insurrection. (an armed insurrection), and that lame attempt on Trump's behalf is of no consequence as a reason why Trump continues to escape justice.

I would suggest that Trump's future as a free man rests on the possibility of him falling out of favour and thus providing the law the courage to take him down and out.

 

[Concerned American]

i'd rather go straight to the law.

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy​

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

Yeah? So what? Where in all of that is the word "insurrection?" Try again, shithouse lawyer. If there was an insurrection that could be PROVED, you can bet your ample ass that the democrats would have charged someone with it. Instead, like your "monkey see, monkey do" they just repeat the same old FALSE nonsense.

 

[Concerned American]

If Trump didn't command the dedication and loyalty of a significant threat against the law, he could conceivably be behind bars awaiting the death penalty.

There's no credibility in the notion that it wasn't an insurrection. (an armed insurrection), and that lame attempt on Trump's behalf is of no consequence as a reason why Trump continues to escape justice.

I would suggest that Trump's future as a free man rests on the possibility of him falling out of favour and thus providing the law the courage to take him down and out.

STFU duck. You don't have the slightest clue as to the legal proceedings, the law or anything else that happens in this country. Take your commie shit down the road.

 

[Donald H]

Yet .. a majority of the 800-ish charged with participating on January 6th for trespassing and obstruction charges are getting more time than actual insurrectionists who provoked violence and incited violence in New York BLM riots and used molotov cocktail explosives against law enforcement.

I have no dog in your fight with the BLMers. And in fact, I would tend to grant you your suggestions, if I did.
Other than the mention of them causing an 'insurrection', which is silly.

 

[TNHarley]

several have been found guilty of seditious conspiracy-which is the same as being an insurrectionist will be looking at a sentence of 20 years & a hefty fine on each count.

Like 5 people, play. Thats like .05%

 

[Concerned American]

I have no dog in your fight

WITH ANYTHING that has to do with the US--so just STFU and move along, duck.

 

[playtime]

None of that is actually true, of course.

Capitol riot defendant: I was following Trump’s instructions​

By JACQUES BILLEAUDApril 14, 2022
Capitol riot defendant: I was following Trump's instructions

Updated Jan 17, 2023 - Politics & Policy

Judge: Jan. 6 rioter who broke into Capitol followed "Trump's instructions"​

Judge says Jan. 6 rioter who broke into Capitol followed "Trump's instructions"

 

[playtime]

Like 5 people, play. Thats like .05%

there are more than that. several oath keepers down already - & a trial is going on right now with proud boys being tried & another oath keeper trial will be next.

no matter - you said there were none & you were wrong.

there's no goal post moving allowed TN.

 

[Concerned American]

Capitol riot defendant: I was following Trump’s instructions​

By JACQUES BILLEAUDApril 14, 2022
Capitol riot defendant: I was following Trump's instructions

Updated Jan 17, 2023 - Politics & Policy

Judge: Jan. 6 rioter who broke into Capitol followed "Trump's instructions"​

Judge says Jan. 6 rioter who broke into Capitol followed "Trump's instructions"

Why didn't they take the pre-emptive offer of Nat'l Guard troops? Try again, moron.

 

[Concerned American]

Capitol riot defendant: I was following Trump’s instructions​

By JACQUES BILLEAUDApril 14, 2022
Capitol riot defendant: I was following Trump's instructions

Updated Jan 17, 2023 - Politics & Policy

Judge: Jan. 6 rioter who broke into Capitol followed "Trump's instructions"​

Judge says Jan. 6 rioter who broke into Capitol followed "Trump's instructions"

Please look at the title of YOUR link to the NBC news video--Yup, RIOTERS--not insurrectionists. BTW, Where is Ray Epps?

 

[playtime]

Yeah? So what? Where in all of that is the word "insurrection?" Try again, shithouse lawyer. If there was an insurrection that could be PROVED, you can bet your ample ass that the democrats would have charged someone with it. Instead, like your "monkey see, monkey do" they just repeat the same old FALSE nonsense.

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