Increase in severe weather events and the cost of those events

[Mushroom]

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Madely Romero carries her 3-year-old son, Jared Santillana, through ankle-deep water as she crosses flooding caused by the king tide to reach a building on 250 180th Drive in Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., on Wednesday, Oct. 8, 2025. Photo by David Santiago dsantiago@miamiherald

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Easy.

Want to know what Florida should be looking like right now?

Welcome to Florida, in every past interglacial in the past 3 million years. That is what the state actually should look like this far into an interglacial. And this is an absolute fact. Miami is actually built on multiple coral reefs that formed when it was underwater during previous interglacials.

This one is even more fun, as it shows the changes to the coastline of Florida not only during an interglacial, but during an ice age when sea levels are lower.

It is only because this interglacial is only barely above ice age temperatures that we even have places like Miami, Palm Beach, and the Florida Keys. Those should have all gone underwater thousands of years ago.

 

[Old Rocks]

Want to know what Florida should be looking like right now?

Welcome to Florida, in every past interglacial in the past 3 million years. That is what the state actually should look like this far into an interglacial. And this is an absolute fact. Miami is actually built on multiple coral reefs that formed when it was underwater during previous interglacials.

This one is even more fun, as it shows the changes to the coastline of Florida not only during an interglacial, but during an ice age when sea levels are lower.

It is only because this interglacial is only barely above ice age temperatures that we even have places like Miami, Palm Beach, and the Florida Keys. Those should have all gone underwater thousands of years ago.

No need to hurry the inevitable.

 

[Mushroom]

No need to hurry the inevitable.

Actually, we had better pray that things get a hell of a lot warmer soon. Or else the next ice age when it kicks in will be catastrophic.

Geologically speaking, it is actually due at any time. And if another ice age like the last was to occur now, the ice sheet will not extend down to the Canada-US border, it will extend a good distance into the US. And forget in Europe it extending down to about the Alps, it may well extend to cover almost 99% of Europe.

 

[Old Rocks]

Want to know what Florida should be looking like right now?

Welcome to Florida, in every past interglacial in the past 3 million years. That is what the state actually should look like this far into an interglacial. And this is an absolute fact. Miami is actually built on multiple coral reefs that formed when it was underwater during previous interglacials.

This one is even more fun, as it shows the changes to the coastline of Florida not only during an interglacial, but during an ice age when sea levels are lower.

It is only because this interglacial is only barely above ice age temperatures that we even have places like Miami, Palm Beach, and the Florida Keys. Those should have all gone underwater thousands of years ago.

Well yes, the sea levels were higher during the Eemian Interglacial. Some of the reasons for that;

The Last Interglacial Part Two - Why was it so warm?

NOTE: This is the second article of a five-part series on what we can learn from the Last Interglacial time period. Understanding this period may provide clues on how the environment may respond to similar conditions in the future. In the first post, we described the conditions that exisited...

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[Old Rocks]

Actually, we had better pray that things get a hell of a lot warmer soon. Or else the next ice age when it kicks in will be catastrophic.

Geologically speaking, it is actually due at any time. And if another ice age like the last was to occur now, the ice sheet will not extend down to the Canada-US border, it will extend a good distance into the US. And forget in Europe it extending down to about the Alps, it may well extend to cover almost 99% of Europe.

If you look at the graphs of the temperature changes in the past 400,000 years you will note that the descent into an ice age is much slower than the rise to an interglacial. We are in no danger of a sudden ice age for many hundreds of generations.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Severe weather events are taking a toll worldwide. In the US they have substantially increased in both costs and number of events in recent years.

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Are such events happening because climate change is natural or because of man made climate change?

Would such events have happened anyway?

If we look back over the last 400,000 years, we see temperatures rising higher than now every 100,000 to 120,000 years. Were there people industrializing every 100,000 years and causing climate change?

 

[Mushroom]

Well yes, the sea levels were higher during the Eemian Interglacial. Some of the reasons for that;

Not just that one, but every previous interglacial.

Now this only covers back about half a million years out of some 2.5-3 million years because there is damned little evidence prior to that. The Earth is a dynamic place, and it becomes harder and harder to extract actual data past a certain point. Even ice and sediment cores are so compressed that little can be gained from them. As well as other things such as erasures on the surface and uncomformities in other areas outside of the direct ice sheet areas.

For example, some of the oldest ocean cores have been thrown into question because the results can be a jumbled mess. Generally those use microfossils to determine temperatures (based on what temperatures those creatures live at). But that kinda breaks down if ocean currents were radically different at one point. And it's known that when Central America rose up, that caused over a million years of radical changes in Atlantic currents until things stabilized into the clockwise rotation we know today. As well as understanding that the temperatures those creatures live at now might not have always been their preferred temperatures because of evolution in the past 3 million years. Some in the past might have lived in warmer or colder waters and evolved to what we know today.

This is why geologists in general "admit" to five ice ages. They are positive there are many more, as many as 30 according to some. But the actual evidence of them is almost non-existent. Erased by time and other events. Most specifically other ice ages and other geological events.

 

[Rawley]

I love it when I get the chance to post this video.

It's one of my favorites.

LOL

 

[Mushroom]

We are in no danger of a sudden ice age for many hundreds of generations.

What is a "hundred generations" in geological time? Did I not specifically say "Geologically speaking"?

A hundred generations is only about 2.5 ky. An absolutely insignificant amount of time. "Geologically Speaking", there was a large freshwater lake in what is now Death Valley in the last "hundred generations". And about 150 generations ago there were still mammoths alive on the planet.

 

[DukeU]

LOL

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That's a good one too.

Let's keep it going.

 

[Mushroom]

That's a good one too.

Let's keep it going.

An epic fail from 2018. And still funny today.

I still remember riding my motorcycle home when I lived in Jacksonville, NC a couple of hours before Hugo made landfall in 1989. And I have ridden many times in winds much stronger than that when I lived in the Mojave Desert.

 

[Old Rocks]

185 mph winds, 892 pressure. Jamaca is taking a serious hit.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The reality is that there is no shortage of idiots like you that will deny reality to support your dumb ass partisan political views. Once again, every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. These are millions of scientists from every nation, but you know so much more than they do. LOL Do you even have a GED?

Back in the 1970s the Democrats were warning about global cooling, it didnt work.
Back in the 1990s the Democrats were warning about the Ozone layer, it didnt work.
Back in the early 2000s, Al Jazeera Gore warned US about global warming, and then the global warming ship got frozen in solid ice, that didnt work.
So they once again, morphed the language, so stupid democrats could have something to be afraid of again, and the dems called it "Climate Change". Now people of intelligence knows that "Climate Change" has been going on since the beginning of time, but those lying pieces of shit democrats want to take advantage of the mentally challenged into thinking that man has something to do with it.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

185 mph winds, 892 pressure. Jamaca is taking a serious hit.

Since 2005 the "Experts, or Ex-Spurts" (Former drips under pressure) have been warning about the big one coming, and more frequently, They were wrong about the amount, but once in a while, you just have to wonder when that event would happen. Experts have been warning that Californication is due for a Mag 9 earthquake, yet it hasnt happened "YET". It might tomorrow or 100 years from now.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

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Madely Romero carries her 3-year-old son, Jared Santillana, through ankle-deep water as she crosses flooding caused by the king tide to reach a building on 250 180th Drive in Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., on Wednesday, Oct. 8, 2025. Photo by David Santiago dsantiago@miamiherald

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/lo...te-change/article312369377.html#storylink=cpy

Easy.

Guess you didnt get the message?

Miami​

Miami's flooding issues are a result of its low elevation, porous limestone bedrock, and its susceptibility to hurricanes and tropical storms. The city experiences tidal flooding, heavy rainfall, and storm surges, which can cause widespread flooding several times a year. The frequency of flooding depends on the underlying cause, with tidal flooding occurring multiple times a month during peak high tide seasons. Heavy rainfall, particularly during the rainy season, can quickly overwhelm Miami’s drainage infrastructure, leading to localized flooding after heavy downpours. Storm surges, generated by hurricanes or tropical storms, pose the most significant and devastating flooding threat to Miami, inundating entire neighborhoods and causing widespread destruction and displacement.

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[Mikeoxenormous]

My, my, dumb ass pictures without data concerning tide and time. However, real scientists, not ignorant fools, have compiled this data, from satellites and tide gauges.

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Why dont you sell everything you have, liquidate all your assets, and donate it to the Climate Change fund so you can stop the rise of the oceans?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

the simple fact and reason natural disasters cost more is not due to the weather. it is due to man building more and more buildings and homes where the weather occurs. Increase in population in impact areas and increase in businesses there. The weather is not getting worse the people are just living in the areas and increasing the buildings there.

 

[EMH]

Back in the 1990s the Democrats were warning about the Ozone layer, it didnt work.

Careful, that one was actually right. The Chlorofluorocarbons were eating the O3 at the top of atmosphere. But we got that right so there was no big government kleptocracy needed. The "Ozone Hole" started closing soon after the CFCs were banned. O3 absorbs UV, which is 10k more powerful that IR, an interesting note because CO2 FRAUD claims IR is doing the warming, and UV just laughs because IR is the WEAKLING of EM spectrum...

 

[EMH]

Well yes, the sea levels were higher during the Eemian Interglacial. Some of the reasons for that;

The Last Interglacial Part Two - Why was it so warm?

NOTE: This is the second article of a five-part series on what we can learn from the Last Interglacial time period. Understanding this period may provide clues on how the environment may respond to similar conditions in the future. In the first post, we described the conditions that exisited...

skepticalscience.com

During the so called Eemian Interglacial 130k to 115k years ago...

Antarctica grew a new ice layer on top EVERY YEAR

and

Greenland grew a new ice layer on top EVERY YEAR

and the ice cores prove it, and hence completely refute the definition of "interglacial" which includes ice melting all over the planet, yet here we had 97% of the current ice GROWING STRAIGHT THROUGH THE BULLSHIT INTERGLACIAL....


and at the same time there was ice age glacier from North American Ice Age still in NA, which has since melted... so for


130k-115k years ago

130k - present


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED AT THE SAME TIME

 

[Mushroom]

the simple fact and reason natural disasters cost more is not due to the weather. it is due to man building more and more buildings and homes where the weather occurs.

And this is exactly true, seen it myself.

I still remember the 1971 San Fernando Valley Earthquake. A 6.6 that happened just outside of town and killed over 60 people.

I also remember the 1994 Northridge Earthquake. A 6.7, it killed 57 people.

The damage from the first was around half a billion dollars, for the second it was around $50 billion. Now that was not due to inflation, because even factoring in inflation, the 1971 would have only done a tad under $2 billion in damage. The problem was that in 1971 a lot of that area was still farmland and vacant property. By 1994 it was densely populated suburbs.

The population of LA in 1971 was around 2.8 million. Today it is just under 4 million. I remember huge areas that were once farmland and undeveloped are now densely populated.

That is why the 7.1 magnitude 1999 Hector Mine Earthquake (which I also remember) killed nobody and only around a million dollars worth of damage. it occurred in the middle of nowhere so almost nothing was affected. Move that to LA of 1999 and it would have killed over 100 people and probably $100 billion in damage.

Same with the 2014 American Canyon Earthquake (which I also remember). Less than $1 billion in damage, only 1 person killed. Because American Canyon and Napa Valley is still sparsely populated and built up. Still lots of open land and farmland and few people living there.

That is something most people amazingly seem to forget. In the last 4 decades, the US population has jumped form 226 million to over 340 million. And you gotta put those people somewhere. So of course when a disaster hits, more people die. That's just common sense.

That's why the largest earthquake in California history was a 7.9, but only 2 people died and damage was negligible. It was in 1857 and almost nobody lived there. And the largest earthquake in US history was a 9.4, but only killed 139 with $300 million in damages. It hit Alaska, one of the least populated states in the country.

But even that has changed, as in 1964 that entire state only had 263,000 people. If that was to happen today, there are over 740,000 people living there.