Ignorant Homophobes fined $13,000 for refusing to host wedding

[martybegan]

You equate not wanting to participate in something as equal to hate. Just like you confuse tolerance with acceptance.

it's not up to you or government to decide a person's morals. I wonder how you would react if government did it to you.

Probably hem and haw like a whiny little child.

I'
d err on the side of equality.

Maybe the bigots could dust off some of the old "WHITES ONLY" signs just to write "OPPOSITE SEX COUPLES ONLY" on the reverse. The sentiment is the same, the ham handed rationalizations are the same. Only the victims have been changed.

Only in your mind.

The big difference you have to note is that more than likely a "whites only" establishment would go out of business rapidly. A wedding photographer who only wants to work opposite sex weddings would probably have far less of an issue.

If such a thing as the vaunted "Free Market" existed, we might have the opportunity to study the effects.

But the market isn't free by any stretch of the imagination. Merchants are refusing service to clientele who have the means and the need for services. So much for market opportunity.

If they piss off enough people, they go out of business, especially these small specialty businesses.

You are not going to see McDonalds, Target, or Best Buy enact any of these policies. What we are trying to protect is small business owners right to sell what they want to who they want.

What you want is government mandated acceptance of any social more that progressives think is A-OK.

What you are doing is trying desperately to provide moral and legal cover to bigots and homophobes who are, in fact, trying desperately to create further divisions by making Gay Americans second class citizens.

It isn't freedom if people who disagree with you are not allowed to be free. It isn't liberty when liberty is defined only in support of lifestyles you approve of. And your solution is to turn religious Americans into 2nd class citizens, and do it through government action.

 

[bodecea]

I'
d err on the side of equality.

Maybe the bigots could dust off some of the old "WHITES ONLY" signs just to write "OPPOSITE SEX COUPLES ONLY" on the reverse. The sentiment is the same, the ham handed rationalizations are the same. Only the victims have been changed.

Only in your mind.

The big difference you have to note is that more than likely a "whites only" establishment would go out of business rapidly. A wedding photographer who only wants to work opposite sex weddings would probably have far less of an issue.

If such a thing as the vaunted "Free Market" existed, we might have the opportunity to study the effects.

But the market isn't free by any stretch of the imagination. Merchants are refusing service to clientele who have the means and the need for services. So much for market opportunity.

If they piss off enough people, they go out of business, especially these small specialty businesses.

You are not going to see McDonalds, Target, or Best Buy enact any of these policies. What we are trying to protect is small business owners right to sell what they want to who they want.

What you want is government mandated acceptance of any social more that progressives think is A-OK.

What you are doing is trying desperately to provide moral and legal cover to bigots and homophobes who are, in fact, trying desperately to create further divisions by making Gay Americans second class citizens.

It isn't freedom if people who disagree with you are not allowed to be free. It isn't liberty when liberty is defined only in support of lifestyles you approve of. And your solution is to turn religious Americans into 2nd class citizens, and do it through government action.

"I'm a Victim!" The new RW meme.

 

[martybegan]

Actually I see someone like you mandating exactly this via government action.

A more realistic post would be: "This establishment caters to opposite sex couples only"

But I thought the issue with the bigots was enabling sinners to commit sins! "Adulterers Welcome!" "Serving sweets to Gluttons since 1979" "Felony rap? No problem so long as you're straight"

None of those signs are needed are they? Because all those sinners may avail themselves of the services offered by the business.

"No Faggots!"

There's your sign.

You equate not wanting to participate in something as equal to hate. Just like you confuse tolerance with acceptance.

it's not up to you or government to decide a person's morals. I wonder how you would react if government did it to you.

Probably hem and haw like a whiny little child.

I'
d err on the side of equality.

Maybe the bigots could dust off some of the old "WHITES ONLY" signs just to write "OPPOSITE SEX COUPLES ONLY" on the reverse. The sentiment is the same, the ham handed rationalizations are the same. Only the victims have been changed.

Only in your mind.

The big difference you have to note is that more than likely a "whites only" establishment would go out of business rapidly. A wedding photographer who only wants to work opposite sex weddings would probably have far less of an issue.

I wouldn't count on it.

In NYC they would have an issue, In Birmingham Alabama, In Topeka Kansas? Hell even in Buffalo NY?

You attribute all choices involved in not supporting your lifestyle as malice. Its pitiful.

 

[martybegan]

Only in your mind.

The big difference you have to note is that more than likely a "whites only" establishment would go out of business rapidly. A wedding photographer who only wants to work opposite sex weddings would probably have far less of an issue.

If such a thing as the vaunted "Free Market" existed, we might have the opportunity to study the effects.

But the market isn't free by any stretch of the imagination. Merchants are refusing service to clientele who have the means and the need for services. So much for market opportunity.

If they piss off enough people, they go out of business, especially these small specialty businesses.

You are not going to see McDonalds, Target, or Best Buy enact any of these policies. What we are trying to protect is small business owners right to sell what they want to who they want.

What you want is government mandated acceptance of any social more that progressives think is A-OK.

What you are doing is trying desperately to provide moral and legal cover to bigots and homophobes who are, in fact, trying desperately to create further divisions by making Gay Americans second class citizens.

It isn't freedom if people who disagree with you are not allowed to be free. It isn't liberty when liberty is defined only in support of lifestyles you approve of. And your solution is to turn religious Americans into 2nd class citizens, and do it through government action.

"I'm a Victim!" The new RW meme.

You dipshits played that card for so long its comical to see you ***** about it.

 

[Nosmo King]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

 

[bodecea]

But I thought the issue with the bigots was enabling sinners to commit sins! "Adulterers Welcome!" "Serving sweets to Gluttons since 1979" "Felony rap? No problem so long as you're straight"

None of those signs are needed are they? Because all those sinners may avail themselves of the services offered by the business.

"No Faggots!"

There's your sign.

You equate not wanting to participate in something as equal to hate. Just like you confuse tolerance with acceptance.

it's not up to you or government to decide a person's morals. I wonder how you would react if government did it to you.

Probably hem and haw like a whiny little child.

I'
d err on the side of equality.

Maybe the bigots could dust off some of the old "WHITES ONLY" signs just to write "OPPOSITE SEX COUPLES ONLY" on the reverse. The sentiment is the same, the ham handed rationalizations are the same. Only the victims have been changed.

Only in your mind.

The big difference you have to note is that more than likely a "whites only" establishment would go out of business rapidly. A wedding photographer who only wants to work opposite sex weddings would probably have far less of an issue.

I wouldn't count on it.

In NYC they would have an issue, In Birmingham Alabama, In Topeka Kansas? Hell even in Buffalo NY?

You attribute all choices involved in not supporting your lifestyle as malice. Its pitiful.

What you are not seeming to get is that MOST people are not as hateful towards gays and gay marriage as you are.

 

[bodecea]

If such a thing as the vaunted "Free Market" existed, we might have the opportunity to study the effects.

But the market isn't free by any stretch of the imagination. Merchants are refusing service to clientele who have the means and the need for services. So much for market opportunity.

If they piss off enough people, they go out of business, especially these small specialty businesses.

You are not going to see McDonalds, Target, or Best Buy enact any of these policies. What we are trying to protect is small business owners right to sell what they want to who they want.

What you want is government mandated acceptance of any social more that progressives think is A-OK.

What you are doing is trying desperately to provide moral and legal cover to bigots and homophobes who are, in fact, trying desperately to create further divisions by making Gay Americans second class citizens.

It isn't freedom if people who disagree with you are not allowed to be free. It isn't liberty when liberty is defined only in support of lifestyles you approve of. And your solution is to turn religious Americans into 2nd class citizens, and do it through government action.

"I'm a Victim!" The new RW meme.

You dipshits played that card for so long its comical to see you ***** about it.

Tell us more about how you are being persecuted by PA laws that don't allow you to treat your fellow Americans as second-class citizens.

 

[Seawytch]

Only in your mind.

The big difference you have to note is that more than likely a "whites only" establishment would go out of business rapidly. A wedding photographer who only wants to work opposite sex weddings would probably have far less of an issue.

If such a thing as the vaunted "Free Market" existed, we might have the opportunity to study the effects.

But the market isn't free by any stretch of the imagination. Merchants are refusing service to clientele who have the means and the need for services. So much for market opportunity.

If they piss off enough people, they go out of business, especially these small specialty businesses.

You are not going to see McDonalds, Target, or Best Buy enact any of these policies. What we are trying to protect is small business owners right to sell what they want to who they want.

What you want is government mandated acceptance of any social more that progressives think is A-OK.

What you are doing is trying desperately to provide moral and legal cover to bigots and homophobes who are, in fact, trying desperately to create further divisions by making Gay Americans second class citizens.

It isn't freedom if people who disagree with you are not allowed to be free. It isn't liberty when liberty is defined only in support of lifestyles you approve of. And your solution is to turn religious Americans into 2nd class citizens, and do it through government action.

"I'm a Victim!" The new RW meme.

I love it...that and that Public Accommodation laws, which have been in effect since the 60s, are suddenly "tyranny!!!"

 

[martybegan]

If they piss off enough people, they go out of business, especially these small specialty businesses.

You are not going to see McDonalds, Target, or Best Buy enact any of these policies. What we are trying to protect is small business owners right to sell what they want to who they want.

What you want is government mandated acceptance of any social more that progressives think is A-OK.

What you are doing is trying desperately to provide moral and legal cover to bigots and homophobes who are, in fact, trying desperately to create further divisions by making Gay Americans second class citizens.

It isn't freedom if people who disagree with you are not allowed to be free. It isn't liberty when liberty is defined only in support of lifestyles you approve of. And your solution is to turn religious Americans into 2nd class citizens, and do it through government action.

"I'm a Victim!" The new RW meme.

You dipshits played that card for so long its comical to see you ***** about it.

Tell us more about how you are being persecuted by PA laws that don't allow you to treat your fellow Americans as second-class citizens.

Tell me why someone should be punished for not approving of your lifestyle.

 

[martybegan]

You equate not wanting to participate in something as equal to hate. Just like you confuse tolerance with acceptance.

it's not up to you or government to decide a person's morals. I wonder how you would react if government did it to you.

Probably hem and haw like a whiny little child.

I'
d err on the side of equality.

Maybe the bigots could dust off some of the old "WHITES ONLY" signs just to write "OPPOSITE SEX COUPLES ONLY" on the reverse. The sentiment is the same, the ham handed rationalizations are the same. Only the victims have been changed.

Only in your mind.

The big difference you have to note is that more than likely a "whites only" establishment would go out of business rapidly. A wedding photographer who only wants to work opposite sex weddings would probably have far less of an issue.

I wouldn't count on it.

In NYC they would have an issue, In Birmingham Alabama, In Topeka Kansas? Hell even in Buffalo NY?

You attribute all choices involved in not supporting your lifestyle as malice. Its pitiful.

What you are not seeming to get is that MOST people are not as hateful towards gays and gay marriage as you are.

As you keep forgetting, my hatred isn't towards gays, its towards intolerant assholes who use government to oppress others. Your being the former is not the issue, your being the latter is.

 

[martybegan]

If such a thing as the vaunted "Free Market" existed, we might have the opportunity to study the effects.

But the market isn't free by any stretch of the imagination. Merchants are refusing service to clientele who have the means and the need for services. So much for market opportunity.

If they piss off enough people, they go out of business, especially these small specialty businesses.

You are not going to see McDonalds, Target, or Best Buy enact any of these policies. What we are trying to protect is small business owners right to sell what they want to who they want.

What you want is government mandated acceptance of any social more that progressives think is A-OK.

What you are doing is trying desperately to provide moral and legal cover to bigots and homophobes who are, in fact, trying desperately to create further divisions by making Gay Americans second class citizens.

It isn't freedom if people who disagree with you are not allowed to be free. It isn't liberty when liberty is defined only in support of lifestyles you approve of. And your solution is to turn religious Americans into 2nd class citizens, and do it through government action.

"I'm a Victim!" The new RW meme.

I love it...that and that Public Accommodation laws, which have been in effect since the 60s, are suddenly "tyranny!!!"

Blacks never used PA laws to go after something as stupid as punishing wedding photographers and bakers.

 

[Seawytch]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Exactly. When I see one of these "religious liberty" folks deny service to a single mother, a divorcee or a fat couple (gluttony is a SIN!!!!), I'll be more inclined to trust the depths of their beliefs.

 

[martybegan]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

 

[martybegan]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Exactly. When I see one of these "religious liberty" folks deny service to a single mother, a divorcee or a fat couple (gluttony is a SIN!!!!), I'll be more inclined to trust the depths of their beliefs.

Again, who the **** are you, and more importantly, what the **** is government to judge this?

 

[Nosmo King]

These homophobic vendors are not being 'forced' to provide extraordinary services to same sex couples. That 'forced' part is hyperbole from the "I hate the American Government" crowd (which is usually self righteous idiots who fail to get along in society)

But the vendors bake cakes, take photographs, arrange flowers, prepare banquets, play music and supply venues for anyone else. There are no special ingredients or preparations that veer from the normal course of business. When such bigoted vendors supply their services for other, more egregious sinners, all those vendors see is green.

What they seek is to hold on to old Conservative traditions like discrimination. Discrimination against race or creed or national origin is not tolerated in contemporary American society. Yet discrimination against homosexual American citizens is something those bigoted Conservatives will defend tooth and nail. Is it their freedom that's at stake? Well, no. Their services are available to other sinners. Do they have a constitutional right to discriminate? Where in the constitution is that right enumerated?

If discrimination is illegal for the rest of American citizens, why is it defended by Conservatives against Gays?

 

[Seawytch]

What you are doing is trying desperately to provide moral and legal cover to bigots and homophobes who are, in fact, trying desperately to create further divisions by making Gay Americans second class citizens.

It isn't freedom if people who disagree with you are not allowed to be free. It isn't liberty when liberty is defined only in support of lifestyles you approve of. And your solution is to turn religious Americans into 2nd class citizens, and do it through government action.

"I'm a Victim!" The new RW meme.

You dipshits played that card for so long its comical to see you ***** about it.

Tell us more about how you are being persecuted by PA laws that don't allow you to treat your fellow Americans as second-class citizens.

Tell me why someone should be punished for not approving of your lifestyle.

They aren't...they're "punished" for breaking the law.

 

[Nosmo King]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

 

[Seawytch]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Exactly. When I see one of these "religious liberty" folks deny service to a single mother, a divorcee or a fat couple (gluttony is a SIN!!!!), I'll be more inclined to trust the depths of their beliefs.

Again, who the **** are you, and more importantly, what the **** is government to judge this?

I can call them out for the hypocrites they are.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Perhaps they dont believe in laughable " progressive" contrivances.....

 

[Mac1958]

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Punishment, intimidation, submission, control.

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