Ignorant Homophobes fined $13,000 for refusing to host wedding

[Redfish]

Who used the word freedom?

Ol' Joe just loves to pull stuff out of nowhere to make a point.

Always a good sign.

You don't have a point. Just man up, admit you were on the losing end of a stupid argument, and move on.

I don't know why you get so upset.

You agree with me that, in America today, you'd better watch what you say or you'll be punished for your beliefs.

You're perfectly content that people are being intimidated and controlled, less and less willing to speak their minds.

Rejoice! You have it just the way you want it.

Yes, you have won! Be a gracious winner. If you can.

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Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

when blacks use the N word are they being bigots?

 

[Redfish]

he gay agenda is not about freedom, discrimination, or equaliy. Its about using the government to force societal acceptance of a lifestyle that a majority of human beings find abnormal

exccept more and more people are cool with it. It's the homophobe who has to hide his face in shame today.

I'm cool with it, I have gay friends and relatives. I love and respect every one of them. I would not attend a gay wedding if one of them decided to "marry". but it would not change how I feel about them as people.

thats what you lefties don't get, being opposed to gay marriage does not mean we hate gays.

 

[kaz]

So he should be forced to sell the statue, one he knows will be desecrated? YOUR morality doesn't care about the statue, THEIRS just might. Who are you to judge them, and more importantly, what right does government have to rule on them?

And yes, a wedding is different. Most people who think homosexuality is sinful do not care if people are all gay and stuff, what they care about is being forced to participate in something that they find sinful, or yes, even repulsive. A DJ at a party that is not all about gayness (which a gay wedding is) may not even notice the frolicing around, and besides the point, being gay is not the crux of the celebration. a gay wedding is all about that.

Do 'Christian' merchants post a "No Desecration" policy in their stores? Once the purchase is made, the business owner does no bear any responsibility for how or where their merchandise is used. Does the Satanist have the right to express his religious freedom? Should the store owner monitor how the artifacts he is selling are used? Is there any business with such a burden?

And what fears motivate the bigots you defend? Are they afraid that, by supplying their services for a same sex wedding, that some of that Gay might rub off either actually or by reputation? Must these ignorant, uttedrly stupid homophobic merchants approve of each and every wedding they service?

The business owners bears the responsibility to themselves and to their God if they knowingly sell something they know will be desecrated, just like they may feel responsible morally for contributing or participating in something they find immoral. Why should it be up to government to force them to either acquiesce or perish? Why is having a certain baker/hall/photographer so important that we have to threaten people with massive fines to force compliance?

I don't care what motivates these people to not want to participate in this stuff. What i care about is assholes like you who feel you have the right to use government to force them to accept YOUR moral compass over theirs or face government mandated repercussions.

Doncha wish gun shop owners had the same level of concern and conscience?

How do gunshops come into play? Is this some sad pathetic attempt at a progressive "gotcha?"

Well that allegedly "Christian" bookstore owner cared so much about how his mercha

That wasn't the point. The fine was an abomination to a free people. You are authoritarian leftists, not liberals. Forcing people to do business with each other is the reverse of freedom. Most people don't care about gay, they care about green. The insistence to force the bigots is just sick frankly.

Who's in the right? A same sex couple wanting to plan their dream wedding, or an ignorant bigot who thinks he'll be tainted by the sale?

You fundamentally don't understand liberty. Here's a hint, liberty is people making their own choices, not you making it for them. Blows your mind, doesn't it?

As for your question, the "moral" right goes to the former and the "legal" right goes to the latter.

Tell me again how you're against government legislating morality....

Does a bus line have the right to refuse service to any group they find objectionable, even if no one has committed any crimes?

Didn't follow my post, did you Rover? BTW, the bus line didn't refuse service to anyone, government forced them to discriminate against blacks. They were actually against it, blacks were their best customers. You got anything actually regarding the point I made?

Yeah, I do. Liberty means not being repressed anywhere in public society. Freedom means so long as you aren't committing a crime or acting unruly, an individual can act, shop, invest, renew, improve and, indeed, fail as an equal participant in his community. That freedom from second class citizenship at the hands of businesses open to the public amounts to true Liberty.

Why, in a society billing itself as the 'Greatest on Earth", would it be right fit to erode one citizen's Libery by allowing an idiot to call the tune? Why does a bigot's 'rights' trump the right of an American citizens to shop at public stores?

Liberty is the right to be left alone to your own choices. Your view that liberty is the right to demand things of others is retarded. You cannot demand things of others without removing their choices. Think about it. But don't hurt yourself since thinking is something you've not been doing for a while. Start slowly and do lots of stretching.

 

[martybegan]

He pays for all of that crap. I don't get the concept that we are beholden to government just because we allow it to exist to provide basic services.

and utilities, while regulated by government, are often not government, so you can stop with that crap.

You don't get to say how people relate to Jesus, or Allah, or Buddha, no matter how much you want to be a dictatorial asshat.

Actually, most of the rest of us are subsidizing businesses. Especially small businesses like this where the employees have to go on Medicaid because they are too cheap to spring for health insurance.

Utilities were built by goverment and private companies manage them. You really think any private company could build an entire city's electrical grid?

Unitl we cure the mental delusion of religion, you guys can't use your magic sky fairy as an excuse to provide services you promised.

**** you, you prim smarmy atheist asshole. I may be ambivalent about religion, but I have far more respect for those of faith than jacket wearing pricks like yourself.

You are one of those sad people who see government as granting people things, as opposed to the way it should work, which is the the people allowing government things.

Die, you fascist pig.

 

[kaz]

That wasn't the point. The fine was an abomination to a free people. You are authoritarian leftists, not liberals. Forcing people to do business with each other is the reverse of freedom. Most people don't care about gay, they care about green. The insistence to force the bigots is just sick frankly.

NO, sick is beating up a gay man on the street because you don't like him.

Sick is firing a person who worked for you for 15 years because she attended a company event with her life partner.

Making you provide goods and services YOU OFFERED FOR SALE is not an abomination. It's the law, and it has been for 50 years.

Once again Joethesimpleton can't simply take care of his own life, he needs government to hold his hand, tuck him in at night and wipe his widdle peanut after he makes wee wee.

At least you admit you're a loser who can't do life on your own, you need Harry Reid to do it for you. I give you props for honesty.

 

[Seawytch]

Who used the word freedom?

Ol' Joe just loves to pull stuff out of nowhere to make a point.

Always a good sign.

You don't have a point. Just man up, admit you were on the losing end of a stupid argument, and move on.

I don't know why you get so upset.

You agree with me that, in America today, you'd better watch what you say or you'll be punished for your beliefs.

You're perfectly content that people are being intimidated and controlled, less and less willing to speak their minds.

Rejoice! You have it just the way you want it.

Yes, you have won! Be a gracious winner. If you can.

.

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

when blacks use the N word are they being bigots?

No. But you knew that already.

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

.

Free speech isn't in danger. The bigot CAN walk around using the n-word...but other people have free speech too and we get to say "you are an asshole, STFU".

 

[Redfish]

Who used the word freedom?

Ol' Joe just loves to pull stuff out of nowhere to make a point.

Always a good sign.

You don't have a point. Just man up, admit you were on the losing end of a stupid argument, and move on.

I don't know why you get so upset.

You agree with me that, in America today, you'd better watch what you say or you'll be punished for your beliefs.

You're perfectly content that people are being intimidated and controlled, less and less willing to speak their minds.

Rejoice! You have it just the way you want it.

Yes, you have won! Be a gracious winner. If you can.

.

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

when blacks use the N word are they being bigots?

No. But you knew that already.

so, we don't have the equality of insult, the equality of racial slurs? If the N word is so offensive why is black culture, music, and entertainment full of it in every sentence?

Why is it OK if one of your gay friends calls you a bull dyke, but its offensive if a straight person calls you that?

Liberalism is full of double standards and made up offenses

 

[bodecea]

He pays for all of that crap. I don't get the concept that we are beholden to government just because we allow it to exist to provide basic services.

and utilities, while regulated by government, are often not government, so you can stop with that crap.

You don't get to say how people relate to Jesus, or Allah, or Buddha, no matter how much you want to be a dictatorial asshat.

Actually, most of the rest of us are subsidizing businesses. Especially small businesses like this where the employees have to go on Medicaid because they are too cheap to spring for health insurance.

Utilities were built by goverment and private companies manage them. You really think any private company could build an entire city's electrical grid?

Unitl we cure the mental delusion of religion, you guys can't use your magic sky fairy as an excuse to provide services you promised.

**** you, you prim smarmy atheist asshole. I may be ambivalent about religion, but I have far more respect for those of faith than jacket wearing pricks like yourself.

You are one of those sad people who see government as granting people things, as opposed to the way it should work, which is the the people allowing government things.

Die, you fascist pig.

Ah...there goes marty again. Can't bring something of substance to the discussion so he falls to insults. Failing again, marty.

 

[Redfish]

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

.

Free speech isn't in danger. The bigot CAN walk around using the n-word...but other people have free speech too and we get to say "you are an asshole, STFU".

exactly, but the libs want the government to punish anyone who strays from PC speech as dictated by the wonderful government-----------------thought police.

 

[bodecea]

You don't have a point. Just man up, admit you were on the losing end of a stupid argument, and move on.

I don't know why you get so upset.

You agree with me that, in America today, you'd better watch what you say or you'll be punished for your beliefs.

You're perfectly content that people are being intimidated and controlled, less and less willing to speak their minds.

Rejoice! You have it just the way you want it.

Yes, you have won! Be a gracious winner. If you can.

.

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

when blacks use the N word are they being bigots?

No. But you knew that already.

so, we don't have the equality of insult, the equality of racial slurs? If the N word is so offensive why is black culture, music, and entertainment full of it in every sentence?

Why is it OK if one of your gay friends calls you a bull dyke, but its offensive if a straight person calls you that?

Liberalism is full of double standards and made up offenses

If white people are not free to use the "N" word are any of us truely free?

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

.

Free speech isn't in danger. The bigot CAN walk around using the n-word...but other people have free speech too and we get to say "you are an asshole, STFU".

exactly, but the libs want the government to punish anyone who strays from PC speech as dictated by the wonderful government-----------------thought police.

Go ahead and use the N-word or the F-word for gay man to your hearts content, Fishy...just don't expect to be allowed out in polite company often. There will be no "gubmit" interference in your being an asshole.

 

[Redfish]

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

.

Free speech isn't in danger. The bigot CAN walk around using the n-word...but other people have free speech too and we get to say "you are an asshole, STFU".

exactly, but the libs want the government to punish anyone who strays from PC speech as dictated by the wonderful government-----------------thought police.

Go ahead and use the N-word or the F-word for gay man to your hearts content, Fishy...just don't expect to be allowed out in polite company often. There will be no "gubmit" interference in your being an asshole.

sorry, but I don't use those words, I personally find them offensive. but as usual you totally missed the point.

 

[Redfish]

I don't know why you get so upset.

You agree with me that, in America today, you'd better watch what you say or you'll be punished for your beliefs.

You're perfectly content that people are being intimidated and controlled, less and less willing to speak their minds.

Rejoice! You have it just the way you want it.

Yes, you have won! Be a gracious winner. If you can.

.

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

when blacks use the N word are they being bigots?

No. But you knew that already.

so, we don't have the equality of insult, the equality of racial slurs? If the N word is so offensive why is black culture, music, and entertainment full of it in every sentence?

Why is it OK if one of your gay friends calls you a bull dyke, but its offensive if a straight person calls you that?

Liberalism is full of double standards and made up offenses

If white people are not free to use the "N" word are any of us truely free?

if whites who use it are punished and blacks who use it are not, is that equality?

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

when blacks use the N word are they being bigots?

No. But you knew that already.

so, we don't have the equality of insult, the equality of racial slurs? If the N word is so offensive why is black culture, music, and entertainment full of it in every sentence?

Why is it OK if one of your gay friends calls you a bull dyke, but its offensive if a straight person calls you that?

Liberalism is full of double standards and made up offenses

If white people are not free to use the "N" word are any of us truely free?

if whites who use it are punished and blacks who use it are not, is that equality?

So you don't think people speak out when blacks use it too? How are you "punished", Fishy? Are you thrown in jail? Beaten? Waterboarded? How are you "punished" for being an asshole and using offensive language?

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

.

Free speech isn't in danger. The bigot CAN walk around using the n-word...but other people have free speech too and we get to say "you are an asshole, STFU".

exactly, but the libs want the government to punish anyone who strays from PC speech as dictated by the wonderful government-----------------thought police.

Go ahead and use the N-word or the F-word for gay man to your hearts content, Fishy...just don't expect to be allowed out in polite company often. There will be no "gubmit" interference in your being an asshole.

sorry, but I don't use those words, I personally find them offensive. but as usual you totally missed the point.

And you ignored the facts...the government doesn't punish your speech, just your actions. You can say anything you want, just remember that the non-assholes have free speech too and we will call you out for your assholery.

 

[martybegan]

He pays for all of that crap. I don't get the concept that we are beholden to government just because we allow it to exist to provide basic services.

and utilities, while regulated by government, are often not government, so you can stop with that crap.

You don't get to say how people relate to Jesus, or Allah, or Buddha, no matter how much you want to be a dictatorial asshat.

Actually, most of the rest of us are subsidizing businesses. Especially small businesses like this where the employees have to go on Medicaid because they are too cheap to spring for health insurance.

Utilities were built by goverment and private companies manage them. You really think any private company could build an entire city's electrical grid?

Unitl we cure the mental delusion of religion, you guys can't use your magic sky fairy as an excuse to provide services you promised.

**** you, you prim smarmy atheist asshole. I may be ambivalent about religion, but I have far more respect for those of faith than jacket wearing pricks like yourself.

You are one of those sad people who see government as granting people things, as opposed to the way it should work, which is the the people allowing government things.

Die, you fascist pig.

Ah...there goes marty again. Can't bring something of substance to the discussion so he falls to insults. Failing again, marty.

Think of insults as the fresh green garnish to my dish of actual content.

And JoeBlow deserves far more insults than I have given so far.

 

[martybegan]

Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

.

Free speech isn't in danger. The bigot CAN walk around using the n-word...but other people have free speech too and we get to say "you are an asshole, STFU".

exactly, but the libs want the government to punish anyone who strays from PC speech as dictated by the wonderful government-----------------thought police.

Go ahead and use the N-word or the F-word for gay man to your hearts content, Fishy...just don't expect to be allowed out in polite company often. There will be no "gubmit" interference in your being an asshole.

sorry, but I don't use those words, I personally find them offensive. but as usual you totally missed the point.

And you ignored the facts...the government doesn't punish your speech, just your actions. You can say anything you want, just remember that the non-assholes have free speech too and we will call you out for your assholery.

Then do that, instead of running to government like a scared little child.

 

[Mac1958]

Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

.

Free speech isn't in danger. The bigot CAN walk around using the n-word...but other people have free speech too and we get to say "you are an asshole, STFU".

Of course you can do that. But it's gone far, far beyond that.

.

 

[Seawytch]

Free speech isn't in danger. The bigot CAN walk around using the n-word...but other people have free speech too and we get to say "you are an asshole, STFU".

exactly, but the libs want the government to punish anyone who strays from PC speech as dictated by the wonderful government-----------------thought police.

Go ahead and use the N-word or the F-word for gay man to your hearts content, Fishy...just don't expect to be allowed out in polite company often. There will be no "gubmit" interference in your being an asshole.

sorry, but I don't use those words, I personally find them offensive. but as usual you totally missed the point.

And you ignored the facts...the government doesn't punish your speech, just your actions. You can say anything you want, just remember that the non-assholes have free speech too and we will call you out for your assholery.

Then do that, instead of running to government like a scared little child.

Who is doing that? I've been called all kinds of names and never "ran to the government"...or are you talking about Public Accommodation laws because that is a different matter and a different discussion.

Title II, Civil Rights Act since the 1960s...