Ignorant Homophobes fined $13,000 for refusing to host wedding

[martybegan]

It isn't freedom if people who disagree with you are not allowed to be free. It isn't liberty when liberty is defined only in support of lifestyles you approve of. And your solution is to turn religious Americans into 2nd class citizens, and do it through government action.

"I'm a Victim!" The new RW meme.

You dipshits played that card for so long its comical to see you ***** about it.

Tell us more about how you are being persecuted by PA laws that don't allow you to treat your fellow Americans as second-class citizens.

Tell me why someone should be punished for not approving of your lifestyle.

They aren't...they're "punished" for breaking the law.

Nice dodge. It shows you don't have the stones to back up your position with your actual views. You hide behind 'teh law"

 

[martybegan]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Exactly. When I see one of these "religious liberty" folks deny service to a single mother, a divorcee or a fat couple (gluttony is a SIN!!!!), I'll be more inclined to trust the depths of their beliefs.

Again, who the **** are you, and more importantly, what the **** is government to judge this?

I can call them out for the hypocrites they are.

Fine, do that all you want. Just fight your own battles and leave government out of it.

 

[martybegan]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

 

[Nosmo King]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

Those bigoted business owners have taken advantage of our marketplace, our protection, our infrastructure and they hold business licenses.

They should comply with the regulations spelled out in our code of laws. That 'forced' part is the same complaint other scofflaws use.

 

[bodecea]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

You are comparing thieves and murderers with gays. Hmmmmmm.

 

[martybegan]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

Those bigoted business owners have taken advantage of our marketplace, our protection, our infrastructure and they hold business licenses.

They should comply with the regulations spelled out in our code of laws. That 'forced' part is the same complaint other scofflaws use.

They pay for those services the same as anyone. Government owes us, we don't owe government. You are running out of reasons to oppress your fellow citizens by government fiat, it must be tiring.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Wait, by hosting a reception, my beliefs are forced on them?

Yes.

Just as my using the implied violence of the law to force a Muslim butcher to cut and sell me pork chops is.

The only reason these lesbians chose this venue was to infringe the rights of the owner.

 

[martybegan]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

You are comparing thieves and murderers with gays. Hmmmmmm.

Nosmo started it, I just replied to it to poke a hole in the logic. Blame her.

 

[Nosmo King]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

You are comparing thieves and murderers with gays. Hmmmmmm.

Nosmo started it, I just replied to it to poke a hole in the logic. Blame her.

It's 'blame him', but that's not the issue.

If these self righteous bigots hold that doing business with sinners makes them culpable in that sin, why don't they refuse service to adulterers? To gluttons? To felons?

Or is it just easier to discriminate against homosexuals?

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's 'blame him', but that's not the issue.

If these self righteous bigots hold that doing business with sinners makes them culpable in that sin, why don't they refuse service to adulterers? To gluttons? To felons?

Or is it just easier to discriminate against homosexuals?

Civil rights are not dependent on justification to you. Nor would you alter your war on civil rights if such explanation were offered.

 

[Katzndogz]

If homosexuality is the sin most egregious to these bigoted vendors, why then are they so reticent about preventing their own doom by catering to other sinners?

Adulterers, felons, liars, cheats, gluttons are all sinners yet they find no resistance from these righteous vendors.

Can anyone define hypocrisy for the thread so we can all have a better understanding of their indignation?

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

Those bigoted business owners have taken advantage of our marketplace, our protection, our infrastructure and they hold business licenses.

They should comply with the regulations spelled out in our code of laws. That 'forced' part is the same complaint other scofflaws use.

They really cannot be forced at all. The most that could happen is exactly what is happening. They change their business practices. So far, slavery is still illegal and no one can be forced to labor against their will.

 

[Katzndogz]

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

You are comparing thieves and murderers with gays. Hmmmmmm.

Nosmo started it, I just replied to it to poke a hole in the logic. Blame her.

It's 'blame him', but that's not the issue.

If these self righteous bigots hold that doing business with sinners makes them culpable in that sin, why don't they refuse service to adulterers? To gluttons? To felons?

Or is it just easier to discriminate against homosexuals?

Because none of your examples demands participation in the sin.

These business people are not refusing service. They are refusing to perform certain functions that require their personal participation.

 

[martybegan]

Its not up to you to decide how another person follows their faith, or what limits they place on it. And it sure as hell isn't government's job to figure that out either.

Again, it has to do with WHAT is being celebrated. I'm sure if one of these bakers was asked to make a robbery or murder party cake, they would probably say no.

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

You are comparing thieves and murderers with gays. Hmmmmmm.

Nosmo started it, I just replied to it to poke a hole in the logic. Blame her.

It's 'blame him', but that's not the issue.

If these self righteous bigots hold that doing business with sinners makes them culpable in that sin, why don't they refuse service to adulterers? To gluttons? To felons?

Or is it just easier to discriminate against homosexuals?

Its not up to you to judge, and its not up to government. and calling them self righteous is comical coming from someone who wants government to smash them.

and sorry on the him/her thing. poof-dog avatars usually mean her.

 

[bodecea]

Wait, by hosting a reception, my beliefs are forced on them?

Yes.

Just as my using the implied violence of the law to force a Muslim butcher to cut and sell me pork chops is.

The only reason these lesbians chose this venue was to infringe the rights of the owner.

So...by hosting a reception for Jews...they are forced into the Jewish belief.
So...by hosting a reception for vegetarians...they are forced to become vegetarians.
So...by hosting a reception for Minnesotans...they are forced to become Vikings fans.

 

[martybegan]

Wait, by hosting a reception, my beliefs are forced on them?

Yes.

Just as my using the implied violence of the law to force a Muslim butcher to cut and sell me pork chops is.

The only reason these lesbians chose this venue was to infringe the rights of the owner.

So...by hosting a reception for Jews...they are forced into the Jewish belief.
So...by hosting a reception for vegetarians...they are forced to become vegetarians.
So...by hosting a reception for Minnesotans...they are forced to become Vikings fans.

Being a Jew is not sinful, nor is being a vegetarian, or a Minnesotan.
Being an active lesbian is sinful in their view, and celebrating something that condones that may be sinful as well.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So...by hosting a reception for Jews...they are forced into the Jewish belief.
So...by hosting a reception for vegetarians...they are forced to become vegetarians.
So...by hosting a reception for Minnesotans...they are forced to become Vikings fans.

Free people have the right to abide their own religious values.

You are at war with those values and seek to crush the civil rights of those who hold them.

I don't care about queers, I don't care what you do, who you ****, who you marry, it has no meaning to my life.

But I do care about civil rights, and as long as you are at war to crush the rights of others, then you are my enemy.

 

[Nosmo King]

It's 'blame him', but that's not the issue.

If these self righteous bigots hold that doing business with sinners makes them culpable in that sin, why don't they refuse service to adulterers? To gluttons? To felons?

Or is it just easier to discriminate against homosexuals?

Civil rights are not dependent on justification to you. Nor would you alter your war on civil rights if such explanation were offered.

Are you staking out the low ground and calling the 'right' to discriminate a Civil Right?

 

[Nosmo King]

Those are criminal enterprises. Is it illegal to be homosexual?

You are the one who brought up felons, is your comparison not as strong as you thought it was?

Ignoring the law, robbery and murder are sinful, as are homosexual acts. Asking someone who's morality is opposed to any to participate in something that glorifies ANY of them may put them into sin as well. In any event FORCING them to participate is about as anti-american as you can get.

You are comparing thieves and murderers with gays. Hmmmmmm.

Nosmo started it, I just replied to it to poke a hole in the logic. Blame her.

It's 'blame him', but that's not the issue.

If these self righteous bigots hold that doing business with sinners makes them culpable in that sin, why don't they refuse service to adulterers? To gluttons? To felons?

Or is it just easier to discriminate against homosexuals?

Because none of your examples demands participation in the sin.

These business people are not refusing service. They are refusing to perform certain functions that require their personal participation.

Does their 'personal participation' go beyond supplying services provided to all other customers? Are these vendors required to deliver a toast at the reception? Are they expected to bring a toaster oven wrapped in silver paper? Are they expected to go on the honeymoon?

 

[kaz]

Wait, by hosting a reception, my beliefs are forced on them?

Yes.

Just as my using the implied violence of the law to force a Muslim butcher to cut and sell me pork chops is.

The only reason these lesbians chose this venue was to infringe the rights of the owner.

So...by hosting a reception for Jews...they are forced into the Jewish belief.
So...by hosting a reception for vegetarians...they are forced to become vegetarians.
So...by hosting a reception for Minnesotans...they are forced to become Vikings fans.

False analogy, none of those are moral issues, other than with Packer fans.

So a Jewish restaurant should be forced with government guns to cater to a skin head, white supremest and Nazi luncheons? An activist liberal printer should be forced with government guns to sell posters and banners to tea party and Republican candidates and for their causes? A pro-choice female graphic designer should be forced with government guns to design pro-life campaigns?

My business does work with churches, synagogues, mosques, planned parenthood, Republican and Democratic candidates. I don't care, I'm here to make money. But that should be up to me, not you.

 

[bodecea]

Wait, by hosting a reception, my beliefs are forced on them?

Yes.

Just as my using the implied violence of the law to force a Muslim butcher to cut and sell me pork chops is.

The only reason these lesbians chose this venue was to infringe the rights of the owner.

So...by hosting a reception for Jews...they are forced into the Jewish belief.
So...by hosting a reception for vegetarians...they are forced to become vegetarians.
So...by hosting a reception for Minnesotans...they are forced to become Vikings fans.

Being a Jew is not sinful, nor is being a vegetarian, or a Minnesotan.
Being an active lesbian is sinful in their view, and celebrating something that condones that may be sinful as well.

So you ADMIT that by hosting a reception for Jews...they are forced into the Jewish belief.
So you ADMIT that by hosting a reception for vegetarians....they are forced into becoming vegetarians.
So you ADMIT that by hosting a reception fo Minnesotan..they are forced to become Vikings fans.