Zone1 If Voter Fraud Is So Easy, Why is it So Rare?

[candycorn]

It’s hard to detect when systems make it easy to look legitimate.

Quite the contrary is true in this case. That is why it stands out like a sore thumb. Hence all of the votes for Pat Buchanan in WPBC, Florida in 2000. It wasn’t fraud...I’m not saying it was. But one can easily tell that the butterfly ballot was the culprit. The ballot was not objected to by the Democratic Party Chair so there is no leg to stand on for the DEMs there. Still, the raw data that comes out is easy to see. The fact that there isn’t these outsized wins by Democrats in contested battles is even more proof of the rarity of voter fraud.

This is why purging voter rolls of the deceased, imprisoned and relocated is very important

I couldn’t agree more.

I think the limit should be 10 years. Every 10 years on the 5th year (2025, 2035, 2045, etc...) you should have to, in person, re-register to vote and set your preferences. If you’re going to vote by mail, register to vote by mail and have ballots sent to your residence.

The same thing I said (pretty much) since 2016.

You’re preaching to the choir with me. If you don’t have an ID, you shouldn’t be able to vote. Sorry. There is a point in time where the world stops facilitating your laziness, inability, and frankly intransigence.

If IDs are provided free of charge and you are given enough time to acquire one prior to an election, it’s on you to do so. If you cannot muster the chutzpah to get off your ass and go to the location where they will take your picture and produce an ID for you in the 730 days between elections; sorry.

That being said, no major election has ever turned on intentional voter malfeasance. By the same token, the number of citizens who will be disenfranchised who WOULD HAVE VOTED OTHERWISE…is very few.

 

[Rawley]

The fraudulent votes are incredibly rare. There is no evidence to the contrary.

The vegetable Biden getting 81 million votes was all the evidence any rational person needed.

 

[hadit]

Likewise in 2016. But you’re just talking about the Presidential election. There are dozens (if not hundreds) of ballot issues on a ballot in addition to the election. None of those losers are talking about fraud.... Furthermore in 2020, when Biden won, the GOP actually gained seats in the House....

Shouldn’t the Democrats have many more majorities in the US Congress as well as state legislatures if the alleged fraud was so prevelant?

As long as it is easy to commit fraud, irregularities like the infamous shut down of polling places followed by a huge spike of ballots only for Quid Pro Joe will ignite controversy. It would be simple to shut complaints if democrats would just follow election law, shut down polls when they're supposed to be shut down and stop accepting late ballots. Things like that go a long way towards easing complaints.

In short, when you look guilty, you get called guilty.

 

[candycorn]

As long as it is easy to commit fraud, irregularities like the infamous shut down of polling places followed by a huge spike of ballots only for Quid Pro Joe will ignite controversy. It would be simple to shut complaints if democrats would just follow election law, shut down polls when they're supposed to be shut down and stop accepting late ballots. Things like that go a long way towards easing complaints.

In short, when you look guilty, you get called guilty.

Wow, could you imgaine if that actually happened?

Meanwhile back in reality, the GOP gained 7 seats in Congress during all of these “irregularities”. Neat trick!

Somehow the Dems forgot how to cheat in 2024, right?

 

[hadit]

Wow, could you imgaine if that actually happened?

Meanwhile back in reality, the GOP gained 7 seats in Congress during all of these “irregularities”. Neat trick!

Somehow the Dems forgot how to cheat in 2024, right?

They didn't forget how to cheat, their candidate was so terrible no amount of cheating could help. Well, that and the tens of millions of democrats who voted for the old white guy but would come out for the Indian woman. Seems to be a problem there.

 

[candycorn]

As long as it is easy to commit fraud, irregularities like the infamous shut down of polling places followed by a huge spike of ballots only for Quid Pro Joe will ignite controversy. It would be simple to shut complaints if democrats would just follow election law, shut down polls when they're supposed to be shut down and stop accepting late ballots. Things like that go a long way towards easing complaints.

In short, when you look guilty, you get called guilty.

You didn’t answer the question...how do the Democrats keep losing seats and majorities if they are the ones doing all of this widespread cheating?

 

[jc456]

Like nearly every other American, my vote has never been stolen...so there is nothing to find.

Do you understand that is a stupid statement? If you never have checked a completed ballot, how do you know it wasn't stolen?

 

[candycorn]

They didn't forget how to cheat, their candidate was so terrible no amount of cheating could help.

Wow, really?

So there was still widespread voter fraud...that is what you’re saying?

Wouldn’t the cheating have resulted in massive wins by the Democrats in other races?

Well, that and the tens of millions of democrats who voted for the old white guy but would come out for the Indian woman. Seems to be a problem there.

Black men didn’t show up for Harris. See the squares below.

But please tell us...

If Harris was the issue and all of this alleged widespread voter fraud STILL took place, why didn’t the Democrats roll up massive wins in Congress and the State races?

 

[candycorn]

Do you understand that is a stupid statement? If you never have checked a completed ballot, how do you know it wasn't stolen?

I’m able to track my ballot in the state(s) where I voted.

 

[hadit]

You didn’t answer the question...how do the Democrats keep losing seats and majorities if they are the ones doing all of this widespread cheating?

Like I said, when you take steps that make you look guilty, you get called guilty, even if you are not. The fact remains that democrats are not as popular as they want you to think they are.

 

[candycorn]

Like I said, when you take steps that make you look guilty, you get called guilty, even if you are not. The fact remains that democrats are not as popular as they want you to think they are.

Hmmm.... It would seem that if the democrats conducting “widespread voter fraud” as you have alleged time and again.... popularity wouldn’t matter.

 

[hadit]

Wow, really?

So there was still widespread voter fraud...that is what you’re saying?

Wouldn’t the cheating have resulted in massive wins by the Democrats in other races?

Maybe, if they had run better candidates. It would seem that they are losing their grip on many a sub-category of voter.

Black men didn’t show up for Harris. See the squares below.

Sounds like you guys have a problem in your ranks.

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But please tell us...

If Harris was the issue and all of this alleged widespread voter fraud STILL took place, why didn’t the Democrats roll up massive wins in Congress and the State races?

Because of several reasons. First, democrats are not nearly as popular as they want you to believe because their coalition is falling apart as the minority groups are discovering voting democrat does them no good. Second, the average disengaged voter didn't think there was good reason to hate TRUMP! as much as democrats said to and democrat candidates were tainted by their party's hate tactics. Third, Cackles was so terribly bad that it infected other races.

I could go on, but I think you get the gist. Let's face it, that shut down of counting places all at the same time, followed by them opening up at the same time followed by the massive batch of Quid Pro Joe only ballots certainly made them look guilty, so that's what they were called, guilty. This is politics where image is everything.

 

[candycorn]

Maybe, if they had run better candidates. It would seem that they are losing their grip on many a sub-category of voter.

Sounds like you guys have a problem in your ranks.

Because of several reasons. First, democrats are not nearly as popular as they want you to believe because their coalition is falling apart as the minority groups are discovering voting democrat does them no good. Second, the average disengaged voter didn't think there was good reason to hate TRUMP! as much as democrats said to and democrat candidates were tainted by their party's hate tactics. Third, Cackles was so terribly bad that it infected other races.

I could go on, but I think you get the gist. Let's face it, that shut down of counting places all at the same time, followed by them opening up at the same time followed by the massive batch of Quid Pro Joe only ballots certainly made them look guilty, so that's what they were called, guilty. This is politics where image is everything.

Great.

So Biden won due to popularity instead of fraud, right?

I’m sure you’ll now say it was fraud.

 

[jc456]

I’m able to track my ballot in the state(s) where I voted.

No you didn’t

 

[CletusSnow]

Quite the contrary is true in this case. That is why it stands out like a sore thumb. Hence all of the votes for Pat Buchanan in WPBC, Florida in 2000. It wasn’t fraud...I’m not saying it was. But one can easily tell that the butterfly ballot was the culprit. The ballot was not objected to by the Democratic Party Chair so there is no leg to stand on for the DEMs there. Still, the raw data that comes out is easy to see. The fact that there isn’t these outsized wins by Democrats in contested battles is even more proof of the rarity of voter fraud.

I couldn’t agree more.

I think the limit should be 10 years. Every 10 years on the 5th year (2025, 2035, 2045, etc...) you should have to, in person, re-register to vote and set your preferences. If you’re going to vote by mail, register to vote by mail and have ballots sent to your residence.

The same thing I said (pretty much) since 2016.

I’m sure re-registering to vote will be treated (quite wrongly) as another “poll tax”. It makes sense. And as such will be vehemently opposed.
Legal votes have been cast by dead people before. How do you think that happens?
I guarantee most of them are no accident.

 

[Mashmont]

Why does it seem unlikely?

We know that the media won't report on it.

We know that many, if not all, blue cities deliberately underreport crime openly, and vastly over exaggerate it, when they need money or a political cover.

In any given election year, the local news in any major city will make mention or two of someone caught voting when they were not supposed to. It gets laughed off as you know, a few crazies.

But that is one polling place in thousands of polling places and today, elections are balanced on 1000 to 500 votes.

You can bet it doesn't get reported.

Exactly.
The leftwing media didn't report on the Hunter Biden laptop story. They didn't report on Biden's dementia. They insisted Trump colluded with Russia.

You CANNOT rely on them to the truth when it will damage Democrats.

 

[candycorn]

I’m sure re-registering to vote will be treated (quite wrongly) as another “poll tax”. It makes sense. And as such will be vehemently opposed.

No serious argument could be made that it is a poll tax if it’s free. Liberals who oppose a one-every-ten-year restriction are not being very honest about it being a move to suppress the vote. Doing it every 4 years is probably too restrictive.

I’m likely still on the voter rolls in California, South Carolina, and Texas. I haven’t lived in any of those states in quite a while. My name should be taken off the voter rolls in those states. Like most people though, I don’t notify the Secretaries of State of those states that I’m leaving...so they have no way of knowing; nor does the county clerk’s offices.

Legal votes have been cast by dead people before. How do you think that happens?

Its clearly devious voter fraud. It also happens rarely. Which is my point...why do you think it’s so rare? Just recently, a woman voted for her dead husband...

While we’re on the topic, after my spouse died, I didn’t receive any voter registration materials sent to their name--either newly registered as a voter or from politicians. So someone was not very interested in stealing their identity to cast a vote....

 

[Rocko]

It isn't that there are just so few arrests for voter fraud, it's also that there are so few duplicate ballots and that the down-ballot races rarely (if ever) show any massive voter fraud as well.

What is not discussed because the Presidency dominates so much of the discussion about voter fraud is that each and every voter is represented by a Senator and a US Congressperson. So if there is massive voter fraud in Nebraska's first district or Calfornia's 20th, there would be outsized numbers in both of those districts as well. Yet the losers in those districts never seem to cry foul very often.

What also isn't happening is massive complaints about persons showing up to the polls and being told that they already votes OR subsequent visits by state elections officials who wonder why Jane Doe voted twice--once by the alleged nefarious creature who supposedly voted in her name and then by the actual Jane Doe who went to the polls as she has done every year for decades. Or as described below, multiple ballots being mailed to the same house...

Some people went to vote, but were told they'd already cast ballots. Here's why.

Some Californians say when they went to cast their ballot in the recall election, they were told they already voted. Caption: Full report that aired in FOX26's 10:00 p. m. newscast It turns out, that happens every election. There are a number of reasons as to why. In Los Angeles County...

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If the alleged fraud was so rampant, there wouldn't be these itemized stories about such fraud.

Moreover, if it were so easy, clearly, the parties would institute sophisticated mechanisms to take advantage of the alleged loopholes. But that hasn't happened either.

Why?

I don’t know how prevalent voter fraud is, but I don’t see a reason against voter ID.

 

[candycorn]

I don’t know how prevalent voter fraud is, but I don’t see a reason against voter ID.

Same here as long as the ID is fre and registering is infrequent and not burdensome to the voter (once every 10 years or so). I go back and fourth on whether or not to even have that stipulation.... If you vote every election, do you really need to register every 10 years? But if you haven’t voted at all since 2016, I think you should have to re-register. So the middle ground is to force everyone to register and set their voting preferences every 10 years.

Further (what’s not said) is this: Do you really want someone who is so disinterested in the process that they have to be prodded to vote once every 10 yerars to be deciding elections?

 

[jc456]

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