Zone1 If Voter Fraud Is So Easy, Why is it So Rare?

[candycorn]

According to you, if they can't prove she was murdered, then she wasn't.

Never said any such thing.

I said that there is no large group of people screaming that a vote was cast in their name.
I said that the state tabulation of votes is in line with the votes cast in a congressional district.

Never said anything about a jury’s verdict.

 

[Mashmont]

Never said any such thing.

I said that there is no large group of people screaming that a vote was cast in their name.
I said that the state tabulation of votes is in line with the votes cast in a congressional district.

Never said anything about a jury’s verdict.

Most people wouldn't know a vote was cast in their name, because lapsed voters are used.

 

[alang1216]

Well, he was proceeding forward on the premise that the entire voting apparatus was fine with the fraud as well. You’re absolutely right about all of the individual hurdles.

He may as well have said, “You get a truck, drive up to Fort Knox, there are sympathetic guards on duty...you drive off with the national gold stockplie...tell me why this couldn’t happen!"

I guess Mashmont thinks everyone is as corrupt as he (or she) is.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Murders are reported in the news when reported. Voter fraud is seldom reported.

The amount of reporting is irrelevant; we're not comparing media results from crimes. It's the same logic you used. Only like 20,000 murders happen a year in the USA, a nation of 350 million people. If it's so widespread (and reported), why does it happen so rarely?

 

[Oddball]

@ 2: 45 "...California's one-party State has created a complex system where fraud is inevitable in the voting process."

Not quite...A complex system where fraud is endemic and necessary in the voting process...Fraud is the only way that Fornicalia is a one-party state.

 

[candycorn]

The amount of reporting is irrelevant;

Laughably false.

The amount of reporting would indicate there is widespread voter fraud. There is no widespread reporting hence there is no widespread voter fraud.

 

[candycorn]

I guess Mashmont thinks everyone is as corrupt as he (or she) is.

Possibly.

I'm all for engaged debate but coming up with that sort of scenario when it's provable that it doesn't happen is just lazy on his/her part.

We're supposed to believe that the Democrats rigged the 2020 election. But somehow, the GOP gained 7 seats???? We're supposed to believe that the Democrats are still rigging elections but somehow have no majority in either house of the US Congress and have lost a number of seats/majorities in state legislatures?

The allegations are not lining up with the outcomes.

 

[candycorn]

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So no explanation on why, if voter fraud was so easy to pull off, nobody seems to do it?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Laughably false.

The amount of reporting would indicate there is widespread voter fraud. There is no widespread reporting hence there is no widespread voter fraud.

Your point is that if it's not reported, it isn't happening enough to worry about. Sorry, we've seen what the mainstream media does as far as the "truth". It's in their leftist agenda to suppress reporting on voter fraud or manipulation voting.. so just because they don't report it doesn't mean it isn't happening. You're asking me to trust the MSM. That'll never happen again after COVID. That institution is dead and never coming back.

 

[candycorn]

Most people wouldn't know a vote was cast in their name, because lapsed voters are used.

Sure...please source the wide spread use of "lapsed" voters information.

BTW...what did your friend in California do when they found out someone voted in their place?

 

[candycorn]

Your point is that if it's not reported, it isn't happening enough to worry about.

Pretty much. Because that is pretty much a sign it isn't happening.

Sorry, we've seen what the mainstream media does as far as the "truth".

No, you've imagined it.

It's in their leftist agenda to suppress reporting on voter fraud or manipulation voting.. so just because they don't report it doesn't mean it isn't happening. You're asking me to trust the MSM. That'll never happen again after COVID. That institution is dead and never coming back.

Sure...whatever.

 

[Oddball]

So no explanation on why, if voter fraud was so easy to pull off, nobody seems to do it?

"Nobody"?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

We're supposed to believe that the Democrats rigged the 2020 election. But somehow, the GOP gained 7 seats???? We're supposed to believe that the Democrats are still rigging elections but somehow have no majority in either house of the US Congress and have lost a number of seats/majorities in state legislatures?

If the media, social media, academia, wall street, and hollywood all didn't lean heavily to completely left, you guys would get crushed in every election. That's why there's a culture war, to break up some of the bottlenecks that the left has put into place.

In 2020 you had the Biden administration ordering social media companies to delete media posts that exposed true stories, you had deep state democrats in the intelligence agency use their influence to silence the Hunter Biden laptop story (which exit polling shows would have cost Biden the presidency alone). You had your candidate hiding in a basement for months while the media doing his campaigning for him, terrorizing the populace that the nation would end if Donald Trump won... that's what you call rigging.

I don't ever really need fraud to say the election was abused and rigged, because it was. There's tons of examples of suspicious voting booth activity in Michigan, PA, etc (always in heavily Democrat areas). Like many murders in Democrat cities, they are reported in a small blurb and then go away quickly.

 

[candycorn]

If the media, social media, academia, wall street, and hollywood all didn't lean heavily to completely left, you guys would get crushed in every election.

Speculation.

I don't ever really need fraud to say the election was abused and rigged, because it was. There's tons of examples of suspicious voting booth activity in Michigan, PA, etc (always in heavily Democrat areas). Like many murders in Democrat cities, they are reported in a small blurb and then go away quickly.

Yet amazingly none of it ever made it into any court room. Ever.

So all you're engaging in is impotent whining.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Speculation.


Yet amazingly none of it ever made it into any court room. Ever.

So all you're engaging in is impotent whining.

If getting into the court room is your standard for anyone's ability to point out anything.. then you ought to not post very often, and you ought to get out there and correct your legion of leftists who claim Trump is a pedophile... he's not even seen a court room.. right?

 

[candycorn]

If getting into the court room is your standard for anyone's ability to point out anything.. then you ought to not post very often, and you ought to get out there and correct your legion of leftists who claim Trump is a pedophile... he's not even seen a court room.. right?

Well, he's seen a courtroom and it's jury convict him 34X.

But....Back to the topic:

There is no proof of any widespread voter fraud. No widespread evidence of voting credentials being stolen out of mailboxes, persons impersonating legitimate voters, or the latest "lapsed" voters for that matter.

If it were as easy as some on the right imagine it is; logic would dictate that there would be far more instances of it. Instead, there are few if any reports in most elections. Further, it would also stand to reason that an organization such as a political party or well funded candidate could employ sophisticated means to game such elections...if it were so easy. Which all evidence shows...it is not easy at all.

 

[westwall]

It isn't that there are just so few arrests for voter fraud, it's also that there are so few duplicate ballots and that the down-ballot races rarely (if ever) show any massive voter fraud as well.

What is not discussed because the Presidency dominates so much of the discussion about voter fraud is that each and every voter is represented by a Senator and a US Congressperson. So if there is massive voter fraud in Nebraska's first district or Calfornia's 20th, there would be outsized numbers in both of those districts as well. Yet the losers in those districts never seem to cry foul very often.

What also isn't happening is massive complaints about persons showing up to the polls and being told that they already votes OR subsequent visits by state elections officials who wonder why Jane Doe voted twice--once by the alleged nefarious creature who supposedly voted in her name and then by the actual Jane Doe who went to the polls as she has done every year for decades. Or as described below, multiple ballots being mailed to the same house...

Some people went to vote, but were told they'd already cast ballots. Here's why.

Some Californians say when they went to cast their ballot in the recall election, they were told they already voted. Caption: Full report that aired in FOX26's 10:00 p. m. newscast It turns out, that happens every election. There are a number of reasons as to why. In Los Angeles County...

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If the alleged fraud was so rampant, there wouldn't be these itemized stories about such fraud.

Moreover, if it were so easy, clearly, the parties would institute sophisticated mechanisms to take advantage of the alleged loopholes. But that hasn't happened either.

Why?

Turns out it isn't rare at all.

 

[candycorn]

Turns out it isn't rare at all.

Widespread voter fraud isn't rare...its more like non-existent.

Any explanation on why it's so uncommon if it were as easy as the right wing pretends?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Well, he's seen a courtroom and it's jury convict him 34X.

Wow, you just killed your own point and your celebrating?

1. Trump saw a courtroom, and he got no penalty. The court all but admitted he was falsely accused, and apologized. So seeing a courtroom isn't a good standard whatsoever (especially for people who are falsely accused of things)
2. Where is his courtroom for pedophile claims?

Yikes.

But....Back to the topic:

A smart move on your part.

There is no proof of any widespread voter fraud. No widespread evidence of voting credentials being stolen out of mailboxes, persons impersonating legitimate voters, or the latest "lapsed" voters for that matter.

If it were as easy as some on the right imagine it is; logic would dictate that there would be far more instances of it. Instead, there are few if any reports in most elections. Further, it would also stand to reason that an organization such as a political party or well funded candidate could employ sophisticated means to game such elections...if it were so easy. Which all evidence shows...it is not easy at all.

1. You're using classic obtuse language. What is "widespread"?
2. You're making a case based on your perspective only. You think it'd be more "widespread"? Well, the world doesn't always work how you think.
3. You're only focusing on the worst types of fraud with convictions, etc, when the "fraud" referenced by most on the Conservative side has to do with tons of issues:

• Deceased voters
• Felon voters
• Illegal immigrant voters
• Non-resident voters
• Impersonation fraud
• Buying votes and paying voters to cast their ballot
• Forging signatures
• Duplicate voting
• False Registrations
• Altering the vote count at a central location (2020 late night data drop in Wisconsin)
• Illegal assistance at polls; bringing in elderly, disabled, illiterate, and foreign non-english speaking people in busses to polling places.
• Intimidation at polling places.

There's plenty more, and all have happened. I just don't get why you'd expect the MSM to report it. They want it suppressed. After the Hunter Biden Laptop fiasco, I can't trust the MSM to report without reporting bias. That's why the MSM is dying, and podcasts and alt media is on the rise.

And I can't think of any reason anyone would be against securing our elections (aka PROTECTING DEMOCRACY LOL) other than that you know your side has a deep grassroots culture of abuse of polling places, and have organized methods in counties where your cause is more important than the law.

 

[candycorn]

Wow, you just killed your own point and your celebrating?

1. Trump saw a courtroom, and he got no penalty. The court all but admitted he was falsely accused, and apologized.

None of that happened; outside of his 34 convictions.

2. Where is his courtroom for pedophile claims?

Yikes.

A smart move on your part.

1. You're using classic obtuse language. What is "widespread"?
2. You're making a case based on your perspective only. You think it'd be more "widespread"? Well, the world doesn't always work how you think.
3. You're only focusing on the worst types of fraud with convictions, etc, when the "fraud" referenced by most on the Conservative side has to do with tons of issues:

• Deceased voters
• Felon voters
• Illegal immigrant voters
• Non-resident voters
• Impersonation fraud
• Buying votes and paying voters to cast their ballot
• Forging signatures
• Duplicate voting
• False Registrations
• Altering the vote count at a central location (2020 late night data drop in Wisconsin)
• Illegal assistance at polls; bringing in elderly, disabled, illiterate, and foreign non-english speaking people in busses to polling places.
• Intimidation at polling places.

There's plenty more, and all have happened. I just don't get why you'd expect the MSM to report it. They want it suppressed.

Your allegations are all you have. No citations but a lot of allegations. No court cases either. LOL.

If widespread voter fraud was as easy as the right wing would have you believe, there would be far more attempts, far more reports, and of course, far more convictions.

Just for one example, Jane Doe shows up to cast a vote in Anytown USA. The poll worker says she has voted already. So (as is the procedure), she casts a provisional ballot and the case is reviewed. If this were happening on a widespread basis...there would be stories about it in the media. There isn't. But what also isn't happening is that given the litigious nature of the right wing, Jane would be investigated for voter fraud. There would be subpoenas, hearings, indictments, arrests, etc. None of that is happening either.