Zone1 If Voter Fraud Is So Easy, Why is it So Rare?

[Mr. Friscus]

None of that happened; outside of his 34 convictions.

The judge admitted that if Trump were a normal citizen, none of it would have happened. The trial was brought by a Democrat prosecutor who ran on getting Trump. You know this.

Your allegations are all you have. No citations but a lot of allegations. No court cases either. LOL.

If widespread voter fraud was as easy as the right wing would have you believe, there would be far more attempts, far more reports, and of course, far more convictions.

That's just your feelings.

Just for one example, Jane Doe shows up to cast a vote in Anytown USA. The poll worker says she has voted already. So (as is the procedure), she casts a provisional ballot and the case is reviewed. If this were happening on a widespread basis...there would be stories about it in the media. There isn't.

1. Your feelings again
2. What media?

 

[candycorn]

The judge admitted that if Trump were a normal citizen, none of it would have happened. The trial was brought by a Democrat prosecutor who ran on getting Trump. You know this.

The judge admitted that if Trump were a normal citizen, none of it would have happened. The trial was brought by a Democrat prosecutor who ran on getting Trump. You know this.

That's just your feelings.

1. Your feelings again
2. What media?

ok

 

[dudmuck]

Wow, you just killed your own point and your celebrating?

1. Trump saw a courtroom, and he got no penalty. The court all but admitted he was falsely accused, and apologized. So seeing a courtroom isn't a good standard whatsoever (especially for people who are falsely accused of things)
2. Where is his courtroom for pedophile claims?

Yikes.

A smart move on your part.

1. You're using classic obtuse language. What is "widespread"?
2. You're making a case based on your perspective only. You think it'd be more "widespread"? Well, the world doesn't always work how you think.
3. You're only focusing on the worst types of fraud with convictions, etc, when the "fraud" referenced by most on the Conservative side has to do with tons of issues:

• Deceased voters
• Felon voters
• Illegal immigrant voters
• Non-resident voters
• Impersonation fraud
• Buying votes and paying voters to cast their ballot
• Forging signatures
• Duplicate voting
• False Registrations
• Altering the vote count at a central location (2020 late night data drop in Wisconsin)
• Illegal assistance at polls; bringing in elderly, disabled, illiterate, and foreign non-english speaking people in busses to polling places.
• Intimidation at polling places.

There's plenty more, and all have happened. I just don't get why you'd expect the MSM to report it. They want it suppressed. After the Hunter Biden Laptop fiasco, I can't trust the MSM to report without reporting bias. That's why the MSM is dying, and podcasts and alt media is on the rise.

And I can't think of any reason anyone would be against securing our elections (aka PROTECTING DEMOCRACY LOL) other than that you know your side

Wow, you just killed your own point and your celebrating?

1. Trump saw a courtroom, and he got no penalty. The court all but admitted he was falsely accused, and apologized. So seeing a courtroom isn't a good standard whatsoever (especially for people who are falsely accused of things)
2. Where is his courtroom for pedophile claims?

Yikes.

A smart move on your part.

1. You're using classic obtuse language. What is "widespread"?
2. You're making a case based on your perspective only. You think it'd be more "widespread"? Well, the world doesn't always work how you think.
3. You're only focusing on the worst types of fraud with convictions, etc, when the "fraud" referenced by most on the Conservative side has to do with tons of issues:

• Deceased voters
• Felon voters
• Illegal immigrant voters
• Non-resident voters
• Impersonation fraud
• Buying votes and paying voters to cast their ballot
• Forging signatures
• Duplicate voting
• False Registrations
• Altering the vote count at a central location (2020 late night data drop in Wisconsin)
• Illegal assistance at polls; bringing in elderly, disabled, illiterate, and foreign non-english speaking people in busses to polling places.
• Intimidation at polling places.

There's plenty more, and all have happened. I just don't get why you'd expect the MSM to report it. They want it suppressed. After the Hunter Biden Laptop fiasco, I can't trust the MSM to report without reporting bias. That's why the MSM is dying, and podcasts and alt media is on the rise.

And I can't think of any reason anyone would be against securing our elections (aka PROTECTING DEMOCRACY LOL) other than that you know your side has a deep grassroots culture of abuse of polling places, and have organized methods in counties where your cause is more important than the law.

Judge Juqn Merchan never said the convictions were false, otherwise he would have thrown the case out or it would be easy defense for trumps lawyers. The 34 counts still stand. If he was elected then he would have been convicted

 

[westwall]

Widespread voter fraud isn't rare...its more like non-existent.

Any explanation on why it's so uncommon if it were as easy as the right wing pretends?

Nah, it's widespread. Amazingly enough when you actually LOOK for it, you find it. In pretty much every state.

You're just a lying silly person.

 

[candycorn]

Nah, it's widespread.

Any proof?

Amazingly enough when you actually LOOK for it, you find it. In pretty much every state.

You must not have looked because you're not showing any proof.

You're just a lying silly person.

Zone 1 ex-mod. Watch your step.

 

[westwall]

Any proof?

You must not have looked because you're not showing any proof.

Zone 1 ex-mod. Watch your step.

Yup, all over the internet.

 

[BackAgain]

The thread headline is illogical. If it’s so easy, why isn’t it done more?

How would you know if it is done more?

Makes reasonable people (unlike you) to ask instead: since it’s so easy, maybe it has been done lots more but just not caught.

 

[dudmuck]

Nah, it's widespread. Amazingly enough when you actually LOOK for it, you find it. In pretty much every state.

You're just a lying silly person.

 

[westwall]

Nah, just look at the 300,000 unexplained ballots in Georgia.

 

[BackAgain]

Nah, just look at the 300,000 unexplained ballots in Georgia.

Good point. 315,000 mailed ballots for which election officials failed to comply with the law. Every single ******* one of them could be a fraud.

 

[candycorn]

The thread headline is illogical. If it’s so easy, why isn’t it done more?

How would you know if it is done more?

There would be more people filing suit against election boards because they’re not safeguarding their vote. They show up to vote and find that the election officials recoded someone else having voted. This is the scenario you guys say take place all the time...yet very few (if any) ever do it. OR...someone who votes by mail never receives their ballot...but finds out someone voted with theirs (aka it was stolen out of their mailbox). There are few, if any, instances of this. It speaks to there not being widespread abuse.

Makes reasonable people (unlike you) to ask instead: since it’s so easy, maybe it has been done lots more but just not caught.

That is some bizarre logic you have there.

Let me get this straight. According to the right wing, the elections are not secure...anyone can vote any time they want in the blue states. Yet...amazingly....the GOP with it’s billions of dollars of capital at it’s fingertips, hasn’t taken advantage of this????

Conversely...

According to the right wing, anyon can vote any time they want in blue states. Yet....amazingly...the DNC somehow allows California to to send republicans to Congress...sometime by 3-5% margins? There isn’t enough of this alleged fraud to flip that seat blue?

 

[candycorn]

Yup, all over the internet.

Yet none in this thread.

 

[hadit]

Groupthink is coming from the people who continue claiming there is massive voter fraud when all the evidence has consistently shown that it is not.

It would not have taken many fraudulent votes at all to swing the 2000 election the other way. IOW, there doesn't have to be massive, widespread fraud for it to be a problem.

 

[candycorn]

Nonsense. “There would be ….” Fiction.

People only file suits when they are aware that the other side’s behavior crossed a line.

Allowing someone to impersonate you isn’t crossing a line? Because that is what elections officers are doing.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It isn't rare. It's just not reported.

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We're about to find out.

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[BackAgain]

Allowing someone to impersonate you isn’t crossing a line? Because that is what elections officers are doing.

Another in a long line of your stupid questions.

Yes. It’s a crime. It’s crime we’ve been discussing you dope.

Election officials in 315,000 cases of mail in ballots in Ga failed to do their jobs. You Derp.

 

[candycorn]

It would not have taken many fraudulent votes at all to swing the 2000 election the other way. IOW, there doesn't have to be massive, widespread fraud for it to be a problem.

Likewise in 2016. But you’re just talking about the Presidential election. There are dozens (if not hundreds) of ballot issues on a ballot in addition to the election. None of those losers are talking about fraud.... Furthermore in 2020, when Biden won, the GOP actually gained seats in the House....

Shouldn’t the Democrats have many more majorities in the US Congress as well as state legislatures if the alleged fraud was so prevelant?

 

[CletusSnow]

It isn't that there are just so few arrests for voter fraud, it's also that there are so few duplicate ballots and that the down-ballot races rarely (if ever) show any massive voter fraud as well.

What is not discussed because the Presidency dominates so much of the discussion about voter fraud is that each and every voter is represented by a Senator and a US Congressperson. So if there is massive voter fraud in Nebraska's first district or Calfornia's 20th, there would be outsized numbers in both of those districts as well. Yet the losers in those districts never seem to cry foul very often.

What also isn't happening is massive complaints about persons showing up to the polls and being told that they already votes OR subsequent visits by state elections officials who wonder why Jane Doe voted twice--once by the alleged nefarious creature who supposedly voted in her name and then by the actual Jane Doe who went to the polls as she has done every year for decades. Or as described below, multiple ballots being mailed to the same house...

Some people went to vote, but were told they'd already cast ballots. Here's why.

Some Californians say when they went to cast their ballot in the recall election, they were told they already voted. Caption: Full report that aired in FOX26's 10:00 p. m. newscast It turns out, that happens every election. There are a number of reasons as to why. In Los Angeles County...

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If the alleged fraud was so rampant, there wouldn't be these itemized stories about such fraud.

Moreover, if it were so easy, clearly, the parties would institute sophisticated mechanisms to take advantage of the alleged loopholes. But that hasn't happened either.

Why?

It’s hard to detect when systems make it easy to look legitimate. This is why purging voter rolls of the deceased, imprisoned and relocated is very important

 

[jc456]

It isn't that there are just so few arrests for voter fraud, it's also that there are so few duplicate ballots and that the down-ballot races rarely (if ever) show any massive voter fraud as well.

What is not discussed because the Presidency dominates so much of the discussion about voter fraud is that each and every voter is represented by a Senator and a US Congressperson. So if there is massive voter fraud in Nebraska's first district or Calfornia's 20th, there would be outsized numbers in both of those districts as well. Yet the losers in those districts never seem to cry foul very often.

What also isn't happening is massive complaints about persons showing up to the polls and being told that they already votes OR subsequent visits by state elections officials who wonder why Jane Doe voted twice--once by the alleged nefarious creature who supposedly voted in her name and then by the actual Jane Doe who went to the polls as she has done every year for decades. Or as described below, multiple ballots being mailed to the same house...

Some people went to vote, but were told they'd already cast ballots. Here's why.

Some Californians say when they went to cast their ballot in the recall election, they were told they already voted. Caption: Full report that aired in FOX26's 10:00 p. m. newscast It turns out, that happens every election. There are a number of reasons as to why. In Los Angeles County...

kmph.com

If the alleged fraud was so rampant, there wouldn't be these itemized stories about such fraud.

Moreover, if it were so easy, clearly, the parties would institute sophisticated mechanisms to take advantage of the alleged loopholes. But that hasn't happened either.

Why?

then why are you afraid of the safe act?

 

[Crepitus]