Zone1 If Morality Doesn't Come From God Then Where Does It Come From?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So in other words you're running.

No, I am asking you to gove a couple examples of what such evidence would look like, to show you are asking an honest question and are not wasting my time.

Which is why you will never, ever answer, because these things are,in fact, what you are doing.

Now prove me right.

This simple question always sends the dishonest trolls into a tailspin.

 

[ChristisKing]

No, I am asking you yo gove a couple examples of what such evidence would look like, to show you are asking an honest question and are not wasting my time.

Evidence of what? God? Remind me what the question was.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If 1M provided a list, you'd find many of the same concepts such as "do not kill", "do not steal", "do not lie" etc.

But yet you would have 1 million different lists.

And all you did there was show strong evidence morality doesnt come from any gods, but is a product of the human mind.

Now, yes, morality is an objective question, but there will be similar patterns. Of these patterns many of the sources of these moral items will arise over their lifetimes from the bible.

It CAN be objective, if you first subjectively set some rules. Like stating that anything moral defers to and even increases human well being.

Then define human well being.

Then you can make a somewhat objective map of morality.

However, the many, perhaps even the majority of these morals will have come from the same biblical source

And i think is is nonsense. The morals will come from the genetic accident of where and when they were born and from the society and family around them. People may mistakenly call them Christian morals to cover them in some sort of fake, divine authority or to soothe themselves, but that's just a transparent attempt to retrofit them to one of our first and worst attempts at codifying morality, which they do while ignoring (thank goodness) half of the moral instruction in the Bible. Which, frankly, is god awful.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Evidence of what?

Please go back and reread. I'm not your assistant.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Thats because you dont understand your own points

And yet you couldn't show where I implied or stated that if your life depended on it.

What you did was substitute your weak strawman in order to give yourself low hanging fruit to pick. From either laziness or incapability, or a little of both.

 

[ChristisKing]

Please go back and reread. I'm not your assistant.

I just did and I didn't find you asking me a question. Just something about facts and you never told me what you were talking about so how can I respond to you? You were making word salads.

 

[Winco]

Exactly! So where did that come from if it didn't come from God?

Within.

You control your life, NOT some imaginary Sky God, and Certainly NOT the word from ANY politician.

Be Kind to People, Animals, and the Earth.
It's ALL we got.

Quit looking to BLAME some (D) for your own shortcomings.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I just did and I didn't find you asking me a question.

Then try again.

You were sealioning and asked for something to be proven to you.

I will attempt it, but first I would like you to give me an example or two of what such evidence would look like.

And I knew what the response would be.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I find most religion to be inherently immoral.

 

[ChristisKing]

You were sealioning and asked for something to be proven to you.

What is it with you and sea lions? Anyways, you want evidence of God right? Well honestly I can't produce any. Your turn. Produce evidence of evolution.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What is it with you and sea lions? Anyways, you want evidence of God right? Well honestly I can't produce any. Your turn. Produce evidence of evolution.

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No, I would never ask for evidence of god. Thats a silly request.

One cannot produce evidence for or against magical hoo ha. That's part of something being magical.

 

[ChristisKing]

No, I would never ask for evidence of god. Thats a silly request.

One cannot produce evidence for or against magical hoo ha. That's part of something being magical.

Then what were you asking me?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I agree that morality comes from God. What's crazy is when people use God as an excuse to be immoral. Human nature can be very confusing.

You mean like when you misrepresent God (lie) to provide cover for your need to sin?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Morality comes from self knowledge and reason.

Only if you eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil

 

[Invisibleflash]

This question came up in another topic and I wanted to turn it into a debate because I'm curious what people have to say about this. This question is for atheists and agnostics. How do we know what's right and wrong without the Bible? How does the government decide what's right and wrong without the Bible? Where does morality come from without the Bible?

It comes from natural law. Butt sex can be bad for health. Being a ****** is bad for species. Taking drugs ruins your brain, etc.

 

[Blisterfinger]

You mean like when you misrepresent God (lie) to provide cover for your need to sin?

If you truly believe it is it a lie?

 

[Zincwarrior]

This question came up in another topic and I wanted to turn it into a debate because I'm curious what people have to say about this. This question is for atheists and agnostics. How do we know what's right and wrong without the Bible? How does the government decide what's right and wrong without the Bible? Where does morality come from without the Bible?

We make it up. Just like you have posted you want to MURDER people who disagree with you.

 

[hjmick]

Morality... for most it is innate.

 

[Hafar1014]

I find most religion to be inherently immoral.

Lets consider the morals of atheist nations, USSR Red China, and Cambodia. They slaughtered over 120 million people.

 

[PeterPilot]

Lets consider the morals of atheist nations, USSR Red China, and Cambodia. They slaughtered over 120 million people.

How many have Israel slaughtered in the last 2 years?