Zone1 If Morality Doesn't Come From God Then Where Does It Come From?

[Dogmaphobe]

Morality comes from self knowledge and reason.

 

[ChristisKing]

Happens a lot in in the Old Testament where God tells the Israelites to kill all the people and enslave the women. Still common practice today with Islam.

Ah, got it.

Morality comes from self knowledge and reason.

Okay so what about dogs? How is it that dogs for the most part are just naturally faithful and loving? You can train a dog how to act but you can't train a dog to be loyal to you that's already built in. Why is that?

 

[Hafar1014]

False. I didnt state or imply that. Please form points against things I actually say, thanks. Otherwise, you dont need a message board. Only a mirror.

Thats because you dont understand your own points

 

[PeterPilot]

This question came up in another topic and I wanted to turn it into a debate because I'm curious what people have to say about this. This question is for atheists and agnostics. How do we know what's right and wrong without the Bible? How does the government decide what's right and wrong without the Bible? Where does morality come from without the Bible?

Humans have a sense of right and wrong, good and bad, inherently. And if lucky enough to receive guidance from adults who also know right from wrong, good from bad, that inherent sense is strengthened.

The trouble with all the holy books is that humans holding and seeking power, so many of them in the churches and organized religion, is that the books are edited and manipulated to advance the agenda of the power holders.

 

[ChristisKing]

Humans have a sense of right and wrong, good and bad, inherently.

I disagree. A two year old doesn't know that lying is wrong until their parents teach them that it is.

 

[PeterPilot]

I disagree. A two year old doesn't know that lying is wrong until their parents teach them that it is.

I agree that as children we quickly practice to deceive others, but for every rule there are exceptions.

I should have qualified my statement. Reaching the age of reason humans inherently know right from wrong and good from bad. They do not need some book to define those values. Just as some are smart and some are dumb, some are more perceptive than others.

 

[ChristisKing]

I agree that as children we quickly practice to deceive others, but for every rule there are exceptions.

I should have qualified my statement. Reaching the age of reason humans inherently know right from wrong and good from bad. They do not need some book to define those values. Just as some are smart and some are dumb, some are more perceptive than others.

Good, I'm glad that you clarified that. That makes sense.

 

[August West]

Many believe murder and theft are perfectly fine.

Do you want to talk about our military misadventures? Hundreds of thousands died during our search for WMDs in Iraq that we knew didn`t exist. That`s Big Time Murder that the "librul media" swept under the rug.

 

[gold something]

It comes from God. See the cosmological argument.

 

[PeterPilot]

Do you want to talk about our military misadventures? Hundreds of thousands died during our search for WMDs in Iraq that we knew didn`t exist. That`s Big Time Murder that the "librul media" swept under the rug.

Yes, and all our "judeo-christian" churches remained silent or even applauded the torture being done by government.

 

[Lisa558]

That doesn't have anything to do with morality though.



Morality existed before the Bible but not before God.

Nothing existed before Gd.

 

[konradv]

This question came up in another topic and I wanted to turn it into a debate because I'm curious what people have to say about this. This question is for atheists and agnostics. How do we know what's right and wrong without the Bible? How does the government decide what's right and wrong without the Bible? Where does morality come from without the Bible?

People all over the world know right and wrong without the Bible. That’s an ethnocentric viewpoint and attempt to position the Bible as the only source of truth.

 

[Godboy]

This question came up in another topic and I wanted to turn it into a debate because I'm curious what people have to say about this. This question is for atheists and agnostics. How do we know what's right and wrong without the Bible? How does the government decide what's right and wrong without the Bible? Where does morality come from without the Bible?

Morality comes from culture. You wont be able to connect it to religion because, there are Christian places that are peaceful and moral, but others that are horrific, particularly in Africa.

Bringing Christianity to a shit culture wont stop that culture from being shit.

 

[ChristisKing]

Morality comes from culture. You wont be able to connect it to religion because, there are Christian places that are peaceful and moral, but others that are horrific, particularly in Africa.

I realize that geographically speaking that Africa isn't the best place, but what's wrong with their morals?

 

[Godboy]

I realize that geographically speaking that Africa isn't the best place, but what's wrong with their morals?

Aside from the maimings, clit removals, arranged marriages, slavery, child slavery, the chopping off arms, rapes, murders, and child soldiers, everything there is GREAT!

 

[ChristisKing]

Aside from the maimings, clit removals, arranged marriages, slavery, child slavery, the chopping off arms, rapes, murders, and child soldiers, everything there is GREAT!

You mean it's still like that now? I thought that they had changed a long time ago.

 

[playtime]

morality comes from our innate humanity.

 

[ChristisKing]

morality comes from our innate humanity.

You see you're a visual example of why I know that isn't true.

 

[playtime]

You see you're a visual example of why I know that isn't true.

how profound. if you need to be told how to be moral, instead of that being part of your 'soul' ... then you aren't really genuine.

poor you.

 

[Godboy]

You mean it's still like that now? I thought that they had changed a long time ago.

No, they didnt change. Go to Congo, or Rwanda, or a bunch of other countries in Africa. Youll find unimaginable horrors.