Zone1 If Morality Doesn't Come From God Then Where Does It Come From?

[ChristisKing]

Is this a thread repeat?

No it isn't.

 

[Crepitus]

LOL says the Gimp

WTF does that even mean?

 

[gipper]

Well, because they are. Yes, they have been "close" to a nuke for a long time. That's exactly the point Iran is making. They think that is leverage to be turned into global currency. That's why they let the IAEA know they were enriching to 60%, which doesn't have a civilian use.

Israel has stated they will not let Iran get a nuke. Should we say, "Okay then, your words, do what you need to do!"? We know what they will do.

That’s my point. The idiot I responded to thinks Iran’s nuke program was destroyed and doesn’t know his leader Bibi has every intention of attacking Iran again. He thinks Israel nuking Iran would be wonderful.

 

[PeterPilot]

Like who another one sentence response no examples no real thoughts just drivel. Post a real thought. Give an example

You know what I'm talking about sir. Pretty much every POTUS since Dubya has killed innocents. It's called murder.

 

[Hafar1014]

You know what I'm talking about sir. Pretty much every POTUS since Dubya has killed innocents. It's called murder.

Without an example I have no idea what youre talking about.

 

[PeterPilot]

Without an example I have no idea what youre talking about.

You're cunning, and that means you're not stupid.

 

[PeterPilot]

Who declares them innocent? You?

You're probably not familiar with the traditional US legal system. Maybe you live in a foreign land, I don't know.

In our legal system we have the presumption of innocence. Back in the day that principle was a feather in the cap of democracy and liberty, but that was then. Every person is innocent until the government proves him guilty.

Is that too hard to grasp?

 

[Blisterfinger]

That’s my point. The idiot I responded to thinks Iran’s nuke program was destroyed and doesn’t know his leader Bibi has every intention of attacking Iran again. He thinks Israel nuking Iran would be wonderful.

Why would Islam terrorists need a nuke?

 

[Blisterfinger]

I do not need favors from fairy tails. I'm an adult.

You act like a child

 

[task0778]

If Morality Doesn't Come From God Then Where Does It Come From?​

I think it comes from your individual character that is formed during your development years and it generally takes a significant emotional/psychological event to turn it around, one way or the other. Most religions say that we have free will, and if that is the case then whatever we say or do is on us, not God.

 

[roderick]

Yes, I did! But I think I would prefer to hear someone else's examples.

You brought it up. You first.

 

[Couchpotato]

Morality is older than your god. Way older.
How could we have made successful civilizations thousands of years ago without morality?

? By definition if you believe in God nothing came before Him. The point though isnt that you cant know what's good and evil only that you cant justify it without a standard of what is good (God). Without God it's just an opinion, and your opinion on what's good or evil is no more valid than mine or Hitler's. Without an objective standard (God) you cant justify Hitler as evil.

 

[kyzina]

WTF does that even mean?

LOL means laughing out loud.

very funny, especially in a way that makes you laugh so that people can hear you:
There are a lot of laugh-out-loud moments

 

[TNHarley]

objective standard (God)

lol no way

 

[Couchpotato]

lol no way

Ok so what is the objective standard of good you’re using? Without one good or evil is just an opinion. At one point the public opinion was that slavery was good. Was that true then and false now? Or was it always evil?

 

[TNHarley]

Ok so what is the objective standard of good you’re using? Without one good or evil is just an opinion. At one point the public opinion was that slavery was good. Was that true then and false now? Or was it always evil?

First, I dont believe there is an objective standard to morality. And if there was, it certainly wouldnt be a genocidal, greedy, jealous tyrant that likes to have babies killed.
Second, there are some universal agreements for morality. Such as murdering a lady for walking down the street. Or starving babies. That doesnt equate to any objective standard. It just means there are some common standards.

 

[Couchpotato]

What would you like shown to you?

Examples of "new facts" that informed and amended morality?

You can think of a couple, I bet.

What do you mean by morality? What is actually good vs evil or it being out of favor to commit evil acts?

For example was slavery “moral” for thousands of years and just recently (relatively speaking) become immoral? Or was it always immoral and we have just recently decided to follow that morality?

 

[Couchpotato]

First, I dont believe there is an objective standard to morality. And if there was, it certainly wouldnt be a genocidal, greedy, jealous tyrant that likes to have babies killed.
Second, there are some universal agreements for morality. Such as murdering a lady for walking down the street. Or starving babies. That doesnt equate to any objective standard. It just means there are some common standards.

Why is any of that bad though? Without an objective standard to point to you can’t justify it as evil, it’s just your opinion.

If I said I’m going to kill you and take your stuff becuase that good for me why is that bad? It wouldn’t be in my opinion.

 

[TNHarley]

Why is any of that bad though? Without an objective standard to point to you can’t justify it as evil, it’s just your opinion.

If I said I’m going to kill you and take your stuff becuase that good for me why is that bad? It wouldn’t be in my opinion.

lol ok

 

[Couchpotato]

lol ok

Well that’s sad.