Zone1 If "Judeo-Christian" Is Actually TWO Distinct Religions..........

[BS Filter]

Thank you.

But if you adhere to Catholic view, Jesus took the Jews to Heaven


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Yes, Christian theology, particularly Catholic and Orthodox traditions, teaches that
after His crucifixion, Jesus descended to the underworld (Hades/Sheol) to liberate the righteous souls, including faithful Jews (like Abraham, Moses, prophets) held in the "Limbo of the Fathers" or "Bosom of Abraham," bringing them into heaven, thereby opening the gates of heaven for all believers. This event, known as the "Harrowing of Hell," fulfilled the Old Testament expectation and allowed these souls to enter God's presence after His resurrection.



So is your view two religions or one?

Actually, I'm pretty sure that is the belief of most of Protestants also because that's what the New Testament says.

I believe Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism. One belief. Jesus is I AM, God Almighty.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Actually they are 3 separate, distinct religions.

1. Pre-Babylonian Exile Judaism
   1. Polytheistic (Monolatry)
   2. No heaven or hell
2. Post-Babylonian Exile Judaism (Zoroastrian influence)
   1. Monotheistic
   2. Heaven and hell
3. Christianity
   1. Monotheistic
   2. Heaven and hell
   3. Jesus as messiah

Beat it, scummy liar.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It tells when the difference began. Note, it did not begin with the Reformation, but the Enlightenment. Do some denominations want to be a different religion, or do they want to be known as being right about the original? In other words maybe it's about being right about the same religion.

So the date makes one a religion and not another?


Than how about the Noahide Laws....is that a prior religion??????


Now....as far as mankind deciding what was a religion.....


Mankind agreed on what is ...sinful.....before 1313 BCE. That’s when He offered the contract, the Ten Commandments, acceptance of which sent mankind off to the races, producing the greatest culture ever known: Western Civilization.

Before Sinai and the Ten Commandments, there were the rules called the Noahide Laws, based on reason and a desire to be able to live with other people, laws against bad behavior, the idea that these injured society: bans on murder, theft, idolatry, sexual immorality, animal cruelty, cursing God, and the need to set up courts to punish the infractions. They are incumbent on everyone, whether one respects the Bible or not, because they are so obvious.
The benefit of the Bible is that it tells society how to be good.

“Noahide Laws, also called Noachian Laws, a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind.” Noahide Laws | Judaism


“According to Jewish tradition, non-Jews who adhere to these laws …are said to be followers of Noahidism and regarded as righteous gentiles, who are assured of a place in …the world to come, the final reward of the righteous.” Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia

 

[SaxonJackson]

1. In a recent spirited (no pun) thread (Zone1 - Christian Zionism) a number of parosters claimed that these are two separate and distnct religions.


2. Today, an argument designed to prove that they are one religion based on values, hallmarks, and cannot be found to be other than that.


3. If Judaism and Christianity are different religions based on certain....even fundamental....disagreements, then certainly logical consistency demands that Catholicism and Protestantism are two separte and distinct religions.


4. I can name a number of differences that are meaningful and dramatic.....


5.Starting with Mary:

• Catholicism…Mary is mother of us all: from John, 7 last words Behold your mother. In Revelations, Mary is the new eve. “mary is the arc of the new covenant.”
• Protestanism….Mary simply a good woman, sinful like anyone

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Simplified:

"Judeo" stands for Judaism. Judaism rejects the central, Christian belief that Jesus Christ is not only the SON of God but, also, God in the flesh.

"Christianity" stands for "followers or disciples" of Jesus Christ. Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ IS God and that belief in Him is essential for entry into God's Kingdom.

These two religions oppose each other on the very central and essential doctrine that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin; that Mary was made pregnant by the Holy Spirit; that Jesus Christ is 100% man and 100% God; that He was perfect; that He died for our sins as the perfect Lamb, sacrificed; that He rose from the dead after three days in the grave; that He ascended into Heaven; and that He will return to earth as the promised Messiah.

Jews hate this doctrine with a passion and reject it, wholeheartedly.

 

[Quantrill]

The Jewish vs Christian belief in Jesus is hardly different from the difference in views of Catholics and Protestants of Mary.....

• Catholicism…Mary is mother of us all: from John, 7 last words Behold your mother. In Revelations, Mary is the new eve. “mary is the arc of the new covenant.”
• Protestanism….Mary simply a good woman, sinful like anyone

"two dominant religions in the West. The Hebrew and Christian religions" So Catholics and Protestant are two dominant Christian religions?



Did you know that those two have different Bibles?
Catholic....73 books
Protestant......66 books.


"including language."
Don't be silly.....They are all in every language.

The Protestant Old Testament is exactly the same as the Jews Old Testament.

The Jews of Israel, of Palestine, determined the Canon of their Bible. Not the Church.

The Roman church added the apocryphal books later to the Old Testament to combat the Reformation.

The Church has no business determining the Canon of the Old Testament.

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[PoliticalChic]

No. There is one faith. The one that God has given. The faith in Him.

Some of the Jews have that faith. Some in the Roman area of Christianity have that faith. Some in the Protestant arena, have that faith.

Quantrill

Jesus stated his allegience to the Old Testament....

.....and the Old Testament provided the test for the coming of the Messiah.....


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Yes, Isaiah prophesies that when the Messiah comes,
nations will cease making war, famously stating they will "beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more," a vision of universal peace under divine rule. This transformative era, described in Isaiah 2:4, signifies the end of international conflict, military training, and weapons, replaced by peace, justice, and the knowledge of God's law.


So.....has that been fulfilled?

 

[PoliticalChic]

No. There is one faith. The one that God has given. The faith in Him.

Some of the Jews have that faith. Some in the Roman area of Christianity have that faith. Some in the Protestant arena, have that faith.

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When I was in Israel I say grafitti of the time of Jesus with Jewish star and cross. Folks went back and forth.....

 

[alang1216]

Beat it, scummy liar.

Some choose faith, some choose fact, some are brave enough to choose both. Obviously, you choose only the first. Sad.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that is the belief of most of Protestants also because that's what the New Testament says.

I believe Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism. One belief. Jesus is I AM, God Almighty.

Actually, no.
For Protestants, there is only Heaven or Hell

For Christians there is limbo, purgatory, Heaven or Hell, .....you can work your way out of the lower ones.


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Yes, that's a core difference:
Protestants generally believe believers go directly to Heaven and unbelievers to Hell, while Catholics include an intermediate state, Purgatory, for purification before Heaven, alongside Heaven for the pious and Hell for the unrepentant. Protestants emphasize salvation by grace through faith (Sola Fide), leading to immediate heaven or hell; Catholics believe in salvation through faith, good works, and sacraments, with Purgatory refining souls for God's presence.

 

[Quantrill]

Jesus stated his allegience to the Old Testament....

.....and the Old Testament provided the test for the coming of the Messiah.....


AI Overview
Yes, Isaiah prophesies that when the Messiah comes,
nations will cease making war, famously stating they will "beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more," a vision of universal peace under divine rule. This transformative era, described in Isaiah 2:4, signifies the end of international conflict, military training, and weapons, replaced by peace, justice, and the knowledge of God's law.


So.....has that been fulfilled?

No, it has not been fulfilled. Yet. It will be fulfilled at the 2nd coming of Christ when He sets up the Kingdom of God upon the earth.

And, that will be done by Christ destroying all the unbelieving people and nations. He will set up His kingdom in Jerusalem, and Israel will be the leading nation on the earth.

And in doing so, He, Christ will be covered in blood again. But this time it won't be His. It will be the blood of His enemies. Poor them. Everyone expects to encounter the lowly Jesus, loving everyone, while they butcher Him.

What a surprise they will have. (Isiah 63:1-6)

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[BS Filter]

Simplified:

"Judeo" stands for Judaism. Judaism rejects the central, Christian belief that Jesus Christ is not only the SON of God but, also, God in the flesh.

"Christianity" stands for "followers or disciples" of Jesus Christ. Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ IS God and that belief in Him is essential for entry into God's Kingdom.

These two religions oppose each other on the very central and essential doctrine that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin; that Mary was made pregnant by the Holy Spirit; that Jesus Christ is 100% man and 100% God; that He was perfect; that He died for our sins as the perfect Lamb, sacrificed; that He rose from the dead after three days in the grave; that He ascended into Heaven; and that He will return to earth as the promised Messiah.

Jews hate this doctrine with a passion and reject it, wholeheartedly.

Many Jews have accepted Christianity. The disciples of Jesus were Jews. The first Christians were Jews. The New Testament was written by Jews. There are many Jewish Christians today and always have been.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Simplified:

"Judeo" stands for Judaism. Judaism rejects the central, Christian belief that Jesus Christ is not only the SON of God but, also, God in the flesh.

"Christianity" stands for "followers or disciples" of Jesus Christ. Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ IS God and that belief in Him is essential for entry into God's Kingdom.

These two religions oppose each other on the very central and essential doctrine that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin; that Mary was made pregnant by the Holy Spirit; that Jesus Christ is 100% man and 100% God; that He was perfect; that He died for our sins as the perfect Lamb, sacrificed; that He rose from the dead after three days in the grave; that He ascended into Heaven; and that He will return to earth as the promised Messiah.

Jews hate this doctrine with a passion and reject it, wholeheartedly.

The Jewish vs Christian belief in Jesus is hardly different from the difference in views of Catholics and Protestants of Mary.....

• Catholicism…Mary is mother of us all: from John, 7 last words Behold your mother. In Revelations, Mary is the new eve. “mary is the arc of the new covenant.”
• Protestanism….Mary simply a good woman, sinful like anyone

"two dominant religions in the West. The Hebrew and Christian religions" So Catholics and Protestant are two dominant Christian religions?



Did you know that those two have different Bibles?
Catholic....73 books
Protestant......66 books.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Protestant Old Testament is exactly the same as the Jews Old Testament.

The Jews of Israel, of Palestine, determined the Canon of their Bible. Not the Church.

The Roman church added the apocryphal books later to the Old Testament to combat the Reformation.

The Church has no business determining the Canon of the Old Testament.

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It can alter any book or view if it is a different religion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Some choose faith, some choose fact, some are brave enough to choose both. Obviously, you choose only the first. Sad.

Are you here to confess that you made up lies about me?


I hope your name is Herman so it rhymes with what you are.



You posted a series of lies about me.....





"That is exactly NOT what you want.



You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet.

You want to go back to a time when you got health care only if you could afford it.

You want to go back to a time when the only religions allowed were Jewish and Christian.

You want to go back to a time when racial and sex discrimination was accepted practice.

You want to go back to a time when all charity came from the religion you belonged to.

You want to go back to a time when pollution was an accepted part of business.

I could go on. Get Ready For A One-Party Nation post# 118



If you can't produce any quotes of mine that support your statements, then you are what you always were, a lying sack of offal.
Get lost.

 

[Quantrill]

When I was in Israel I say grafitti of the time of Jesus with Jewish star and cross. Folks went back and forth.....

There certainly are believing Jews. The Remnant of God. (Rom. 11:1-6)

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[PoliticalChic]

No, it has not been fulfilled. Yet. It will be fulfilled at the 2nd coming of Christ when He sets up the Kingdom of God upon the earth.

And, that will be done by Christ destroying all the unbelieving people and nations. He will set up His kingdom in Jerusalem, and Israel will be the leading nation on the earth.

And in doing so, He, Christ will be covered in blood again. But this time it won't be His. It will be the blood of His enemies. Poor them. Everyone expects to encounter the lowly Jesus, loving everyone, while they butcher Him.

What a surprise they will have. (Isiah 63:1-6)

Quantrill

Can you quote the Bible...on a second coming?

 

[Quantrill]

It can alter any book or view if it is a different religion.

I don't know what you're saying.

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[PoliticalChic]

Many Jews have accepted Christianity. The disciples of Jesus were Jews. The first Christians were Jews. The New Testament was written by Jews. There are many Jewish Christians today and always have been.

I don't believe so.


Jesus was born and died a Jew.

"The Gospel of Matthew begins with a recitation of the long lineage of Jesus, to demonstrate that the Nazarene son of Mary descended from both Abraham and King David. This is not coincidence: It is necessary to establish Jesus’s messianic credentials according to the Hebrew Bible.

... it is impossible to extricate Jesus and his mother from Judaism. Indeed, from a Christian perspective, the great tragedy of the life of Jesus is that he came first of all to redeem the Jewish people (“He came to his own, but his own did not receive him,” John 1:11), and through them, all the world."


But definition of a Jew is not to accept Jesus as Messiah.

 

[Quantrill]

Can you quote the Bible...on a second coming?

There are many verses concerning the Second coming of Christ. But, I just gave you some. (Is. 63:1-6) What do you say?

The topic of the 2nd Coming is extensive. I don't have time at this time to cover it all, but will if you want to.

Start a new thread on the 2nd Coming of Christ, and I will participate.

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[PoliticalChic]

There certainly are believing Jews. The Remnant of God. (Rom. 11:1-6)

Quantrill

If you are claiming Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah, you are simply wrong.