Zone1 If "Judeo-Christian" Is Actually TWO Distinct Religions..........

[BS Filter]

that beginning w/ abraham - 1000 years after the great heavenly intervention.

the spoken religion, goal of antiquity needs neither script nor a specific language to flourish for all eternity.

What's the name of your God?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Bible makes the distinction:
Romans 1:16 For I am not shamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one who believeth, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
2 distinct religious groups, both needing the same Savior.

So Catholicism and Protestantism are two religions?
Which one is Christian?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's see...(Isaiah 63:1-6) is in the Old Testament. At least in my Bible. How about yours?

Quantrill

Is your Bible Protestant or Christian....or Jewish?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Scripture of Peter being the rock the Church was built upon is an error by the Catholic Church. The foundation of the Church is Jesus, not Peter.

Maybe they believe yours is in error.

Could be?

 

[Meriweather]

So the date makes one a religion and not another?

How does the date make one a religion and not another? I'm not following your tangent, if you are trying to turn Christianity into "different religions". You seemed to want to use different beliefs regarding Mary as an example of what constitutes different religions.

Christianity teaches that Jesus, the Son of God, the Word of God, was born of a virgin. He proclaimed the Gospel (good news) of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. He greeted many with the words, "Your sins are forgiven." This irritated the Temple authorities of the day and they succeeded in their plot to have him put to death to shut him up. This was thwarted when Jesus rose from the dead and gave his followers the mission to proclaim the Gospel to the ends of the earth.

Whether Mary is a virgin or is not a virgin is beside the main point of Christianity. Jesus did not give his apostles the mission to proclaim Mary's virginity to the ends of the earth. Nor did he ask the apostles to proclaim he had blue eyes (as some believe) to the ends of the earth.

Mary is not the religion, she is not the faith. Do Catholics/Orthodox honor her more than Protestant denominations? Yes, but that has nothing to do with proclaiming the Gospel/good news to the ends of the earth. She is a side-interest to the faith/religion. The dates presented merely show early Christianity's interest in Mary, and the when, why, and who caused some denominations to lose this interest in her seventeen centuries later. Meanwhile all denominations still teach the facts presented in the second paragraph above.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I personally believe Catholicism has much Biblical error. Salvation is by faith in Jesus alone. If a person's faith is in their religion, they are doomed.

They may say that about you.....

At least no head cutting is involved.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What's the name of your God?

If he votes Democrat..........

 

[Meriweather]

Maybe they believe yours is in error.

Could be?

Some Protestant denominations do not assign the same importance to the Old Testament as do Catholics/Orthodox Churches.

 

[alang1216]

Are you here to confess that you made up lies about me?


I hope your name is Herman so it rhymes with what you are.



You posted a series of lies about me.....





"That is exactly NOT what you want.



You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet.

You want to go back to a time when you got health care only if you could afford it.

You want to go back to a time when the only religions allowed were Jewish and Christian.

You want to go back to a time when racial and sex discrimination was accepted practice.

You want to go back to a time when all charity came from the religion you belonged to.

You want to go back to a time when pollution was an accepted part of business.

I could go on. Get Ready For A One-Party Nation post# 118



If you can't produce any quotes of mine that support your statements, then you are what you always were, a lying sack of offal.
Get lost.

You really are a one-trick pony. And it is a very poor trick indeed. As always you claim I posted a series of lies about you but you can't say exactly what was a lie. Curious. If you had any credibility it would suffer.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How does the date make one a religion and not another? I'm not following your tangent, if you are trying to turn Christianity into "different religions". You seemed to want to use different beliefs regarding Mary as an example of what constitutes different religions.

Christianity teaches that Jesus, the Son of God, the Word of God, was born of a virgin. He proclaimed the Gospel (good news) of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. He greeted many with the words, "Your sins are forgiven." This irritated the Temple authorities of the day and they succeeded in their plot to have him put to death to shut him up. This was thwarted when Jesus rose from the dead and gave his followers the mission to proclaim the Gospel to the ends of the earth.

Whether Mary is a virgin or is not a virgin is beside the main point of Christianity. Jesus did not give his apostles the mission to proclaim Mary's virginity to the ends of the earth. Nor did he ask the apostles to proclaim he had blue eyes (as some believe) to the ends of the earth.

Mary is not the religion, she is not the faith. Do Catholics/Orthodox honor her more than Protestant denominations? Yes, but that has nothing to do with proclaiming the Gospel/good news to the ends of the earth. She is a side-interest to the faith/religion. The dates presented merely show early Christianity's interest in Mary, and the when, why, and who caused some denominations to lose this interest in her seventeen centuries later. Meanwhile all denominations still teach the facts presented in the second paragraph above.

Following the post mentioned in the OP, the discussion was whether Judeo-Christian was one religion or two.

There are fundamental differences.

But so are there betweeen Catholic and Protestant versions.



Did you know

• Catholics see church as a monarchy, Jesus is king, with underlying layers with Peter delegated as second in charge, the lineage of popes
• Protestants see….church Is a democracy, Martin Luther said no cardinals, bishops, etc…an no priests…..clergy are simply authorized teachers, no divine authority

Does that make them two religions or one?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You really are a one-trick pony. And it is a very poor trick indeed. As always you claim I posted a series of lies about you but you can't say exactly what was a lie. Curious. If you had any credibility it would suffer.

All lies.

You are Herman the Vermin.

Get lost.

 

[BreezeWood]

What's the name of your God?

all in the heavens are equal - is true monotheism ... pick and chose.

the distortion is judaism, the desert religions - that can not be denied their written text.

 

[ding]

Actually they are 3 separate, distinct religions.

1. Pre-Babylonian Exile Judaism
   1. Polytheistic (Monolatry)
   2. No heaven or hell
2. Post-Babylonian Exile Judaism (Zoroastrian influence)
   1. Monotheistic
   2. Heaven and hell
3. Christianity
   1. Monotheistic
   2. Heaven and hell
   3. Jesus as messiah

 

[ding]

Following the post mentioned in the OP, the discussion was whether Judeo-Christian was one religion or two.

Judaism and Christianity are two distinctly different faiths. With both having fragmented into other sects. Of course I have always viewed Christianity as a sect of Judaism as the first Christians were Jewish Christians.

 

[BS Filter]

Maybe they believe yours is in error.

Could be?

Not if they study the Scriptures. Peter (petros) in Greek. Jesus said basically "Peter, you're a small stone, but on this (petra) rock I will build my Church. Right before that Jesus asked Peter who he believed Jesus was. Peter said "The Christ". That's the Rock. Jesus is the Rock of Salvation. God didn't build His Church on Peter. The Church is built on Jesus Christ.

Jesus told the Pharisees that they search the Scriptures, but they would not believe on Jesus that their Scriptures spoke of. All they had was the old Testament. Jesus is everything. Some see that truth and some don't. Deifying Mary is not Scriptural. She was a sinner and acknowledged that by saying she knew her Savior lives.

 

[BS Filter]

all in the heavens are equal - is true monotheism ... pick and chose.

the distortion is judaism, the desert religions - that can not be denied their written text.

Your taco slipped off your plate.

 

[The Irish Ram]

So Catholicism and Protestantism are two religions?
Which one is Christian?

Both. Two different doctrines, same Savior.

 

[BS Filter]

Judaism and Christianity are two distinctly different faiths. With both having fragmented into other sects. Of course I have always viewed Christianity as a sect of Judaism as the first Christians were Jewish Christians.

Agree, and the New Testament was written by Jews who quoted old Testament Scriptures pertaining to the Messiah. The Apostle John in Revelation quotes Jesus saying that He is God Almighty.

 

[Meriweather]

Did you know

• Catholics see church as a monarchy, Jesus is king, with underlying layers with Peter delegated as second in charge, the lineage of popes
• Protestants see….church Is a democracy, Martin Luther said no cardinals, bishops, etc…an no priests…..clergy are simply authorized teachers, no divine authority

Does that make them two religions or one?

Yes, I know. This is where it comes back to the Catholic/Orthodox Churches following what the Father set up in the Old Testament, the same tradition Jesus pointed for the apostles to follow. When Protestants split from the Catholic Church, they left behind the Old Testament, Apostolic Tradition, and most of the Sacraments. The Enlightenment period was taking hold, and the people wanted to overthrow kings and take on the power of ruling over themselves. Perhaps with some good reasons (and some bad/faulty reasons), people were viewing the Church and the Pope as a king, and wanted not to follow the Church, but to follow a more democratic form of rule.

Perhaps it needs to be looked at, not as different religions, but as the same religion, governed differently.

Catholic/Orthodox = Christianity ruled by a king (and in his absence the King's steward (Pope)
Protestants = Christianity run by democracy

Catholic or Protestant we all still see each others as fellow members of the mystical Body of Christ.

 

[Meriweather]

Following the post mentioned in the OP, the discussion was whether Judeo-Christian was one religion or two.

I believe Judaism and Christianity qualify as two different religions/faith. The reason for the difference is that Christians believe Jesus is both God and man, that he has two nature, one Divine, one human. Jews will not--and cannot--accept Jesus as God, because in their faith that would be idolatry, blasphemy. If their history taught them anything, it taught Jews that disaster always followed when they turned to idolatry.