Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[Woodznutz]

Great Christmas music.

 

[Woodznutz]

Thanks. According to Carl, I have to sit quietly while he quotes the gospels to me, or else he gets indignant - all the while feeling free to insult Jews.

Tis the season for such discussions.

 

[Woodznutz]

Ts ts ts ts ts ts. And what said Sam to you?

Sam who?

 

[Woodznutz]

all the better for Constantine, so that he could invent his own

your remark is tantamount to indiscriminate bombing

charlemagne was chasing EMPIRE in Europe---in doing so he
faced lots of backlash including that of islamic glorious age of
conquest as per allah, pbuh. What is your point?

Charlemagne was the defender of the Papacy, thus went to war with any who renounced it deeming them heretics, and true believers were among his many victims. He is often regarded as a type of the first horseman of the apocalypse.

 

[zaangalewa]

English is the new lingua franca in the west replacing French. English is taught as a second language all over the world.

Far not so good as had been Latin because it existed no natural Latin speakers any longer when Latin had been for long long centuries lingua franka - but somehow is English also useful. Immanuel Kant is for example much more diffcult to read in German than to read in English. English is a simplifying language.

Example. Kant wrote „Zwei Dinge erfüllen das Gemüt mit immer neuer und zunehmender Bewunderung und Ehrfurcht, je öfter und anhaltender sich das Nachdenken damit beschäftigt: der bestirnte Himmel über mir und das moralische Gesetz in mir lassen mich an einen Gott glauben.”
Translation: “Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and more persistently I think about them: the starry sky above me and the moral law within me make me believe in a God.”

But Kant did not really say "starry sky". You have to know that "sky" and "heaven" are in German the same word "Himmel". So if he had only spoken about "the starry sky" then he had said "der besternte Himmel" and not as he really did do "der bestirnte Himmel". "Stern" means "star" but "Stirn" means "forehead". Behind the forehead are the thoughts. So what he really spoke about was the starry sky in combination with the heavenly thoughts behind this stars. He spoke about the phenomenon that our thoughts (and natural science) is able to reflect what happens behind the scene. He spoke about the visible light and the invisible light the same time. This thought - also my thought - inspired me for example to say "The spirituality of physics is mathematics". Kant spoke not only about moral laws (which he thought to be most reasonable).

I guess you are able to understand now that English as a lingua franka is not without problems. One letter difference in German is able to create such a big difference that essential thoughts go lost with a translation. No wonder that many Germans do not try to translate Immanuel Kant's textes from German into German any longer but prefer to translate from English into German. Much more simple to do so.

 

[irosie91]

Tis the season for such discussions.

It's got a season----like Deer hunting in New Jersey?

Charlemagne was the defender of the Papacy, thus went to war with any who renounced it deeming them heretics, and true believers were among his many victims.

watta guy!!!!!!

 

[zaangalewa]

Sam who?

Exactly this is your problem.

 

[Woodznutz]

It's got a season----like Deer hunting in New Jersey?

It's called CHRISTMAS! (which follows deer season in Wisconsin by about a month). Jews are talked about a lot during the Christmas (and Easter) season. Can't be helped, it's part of the story.

 

[Woodznutz]

Exactly this is your problem.

You have a language problem here.

 

[zaangalewa]

Charlemagne was the defender of the Papacy, thus went to war with any who renounced it deeming them heretics, and true believers were among his many victims. He is often regarded as a type of the first horseman of the apocalypse.

Which victims?

 

[zaangalewa]

You have a language problem here.

I do not think so.

 

[Woodznutz]

Which victims?

The Saxons at Verden for example.

 

[Woodznutz]

I do not think so.

Of course not.

 

[irosie91]

It's called CHRISTMAS! (which follows deer season in Wisconsin by about a month). Jews are talked about a lot during the Christmas (and Easter) season. Can't be helped, it's part of the story.

It's interesting that you say that----a very FERVENT christian who posts
frequently on these boards INSISTS that she never heard "jew" mentioned
in church or by her fellow christians. She was brought up catholic but
converted to ePISScopalian. I was brought up in a VERY christian town---
that included even deer hunters. I did all kinds of christmas things---from
sunday school as a kid and mitnite mass in college----JEWS IS A BIG TOPIC

 

[zaangalewa]

The Saxons at Verden for example.

That's not very clear. There's only one source (one sentence) and I heard in this source the word "kill" and "displace" are the same. In Germany exist many old place names - like for example "Sachsenhausen" (Home of the Saxons) - which are in other regions of Germany. So it could also be plausible Charlesmagne displaced 4000 nobles. Saxony in this time of history not had been Sachsen today - Saxons had been North Germans. And you have not to forget that Charlesmagne was no French Celt. He was a Germanic. An in the unwritten Germanic rules of this time war was to see like a decision of god. The man with the better gods wan so the losers overtook the gods of the winners. And this meant also the end of all wars against each other.

Duke Widukind of the Saxons made an unbelievable crime. He lost the war against the Frankonians. Everything was okay. The Saxons became Christian and Widukind became follower of Charlesmagne. But some time later - surprise! - Widukind started a second war - better to say a rebellion in this case. This broke the unwritten laws of the Germanic tribes. An unbelievable crime. After Charlesmagne wan this second war he had to punish the leading rebells. So he had executed 4000 leading nobles of the Saxons or he had displaced them. I'm very sure if Widukind had won the consequences for the Franconians had been much more drastic. Charlesmagne unified many Germanic tribes - and by doing so he also made them Christian. And Christians wan in wars because they had a better knowledge, were better organized and worked in a better way together. And Christians also not had been as cruel as others.

 

[rosends]

The Jewish religion was fallen in Jesus' day. He told them off at Matt 23--to this day they reject Jesus.

Thanks for that irrelevancy. Good luck.

 

[SweetSue92]

Thanks for that irrelevancy. Good luck.

To you, Lisa558 and other Jews here:

Many here are undoubtedly Christian, but also, and notably, will not put themselves under the authority of church structure.

I am not doubting they believe in Christ, but not being willing to be put under authority raises red flags for me as a Christian. For one--as we see here--it leads to pride.

Being part of a church structure makes Christians accountable to other Christians just trying live their faith. It's grounding. It leads to grace and humility, etc.

NOT putting yourself under authority can so easily be led to "I'm always right" thinking, as we see here.

(I'm talking specifically about church authority, which is Biblical. Not govt authority necessarily)

 

[Lisa558]

The Jewish religion was fallen in Jesus' day. He told them off at Matt 23--to this day they reject Jesus.

That’s because we want to remain Jews and practice Judaism. So piss off.

 

[Lisa558]

Tis the season for such discussions.

Discussions, yes. Nasty attacks because I don’t want to be proselytized, no.

Did you understand what Carl said? He said that my not wanting to have the NT thrown in my face means I’m telling him to reject Jesus.

Now think about it. He is saying that unless a Jew listens, and listens, and listens to gospels that go against HER beliefs, she is telling him to go against his. So why is it OK for a so-called Christian to tell a Jew she’s wrong? And then, if she says she doesn’t want to hear it, he indignantly accuses of her of trying to get him to renounce Jesus? isn’t that what he is doing to HER - trying to get her to renounce Judaism?

Some of you are such hypocrites that you remind me of Ledtists.

 

[ding]

JEWS IS A BIG TOPIC

Not where I grew up.