Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

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That’s because we want to remain Jews and practice Judaism. So piss off.

Do you agree with the following statement by Hobelim?

Every Jewish person who was persecuted, enslaved, exiled, or murdered, since 325 ce were following the commands of God and had Jesus in their hearts. They just didn't know it at the time

 

[BreezeWood]

The bible calls those who deny Jesus----antichrist. Not a wise place to be standing.

a play of words - there is no christian bible jesus nor their moses 10 commandments, they would be anti- the heavens who believe any of the three desert religions.

is the message of the 1st century events and jesus who taught liberation theology, self determination - no where found in the desert of servitude and denial.

 

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a play of words - there is no christian bible jesus nor their moses 10 commandments, they would be anti- the heavens who believe any of the three desert religions.

is the message of the 1st century events and jesus who taught liberation theology, self determination - no where found in the desert of servitude and denial.

So which religion should people follow?

 

[Lisa558]

Do you agree with the following statement by Hobelim?

Do you think I do?

 

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Do you think I do?

No. Of course not. I think you would be insulted by his condescension.

 

[Lisa558]

No. Of course not. I think you would be insulted by his condescension.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

 

[BreezeWood]

Charlemagne was the defender of the Papacy, thus went to war with any who renounced it deeming them heretics, and true believers were among his many victims.

NOT putting yourself under authority can so easily be led to "I'm always right" thinking, as we see here.

it's absurd to claim a necessity to be put under the authority - than to live ones own life as jesus taught, self determination with the goal of judgement and admission to the everlasting.

true believers would never need to read any bible - and surly would renounce any false commandments as there are non from the heavens - only from sociopaths for their own self interest - sue92.

 

[Lisa558]

No. Of course not. I think you would be insulted by his condescension.

I’m confused, though. I thought he was Jewish. No Jew would say that Jews had “Jesus in their heart” unless they were Jews-for-Jesus or something.

I’ve been taking Torah classes on and off for 50+ years. Jesus has never been mentioned.

 

[BreezeWood]

So why is it OK for a so-called Christian to tell a Jew she’s wrong?

true, they are awful people - simply, similarity, as peas - are found in the same pod ... didn't work for jesus is certainly a consideration. it's called - pay back.

 

[ding]

I’m confused, though. I thought he was Jewish. No Jew would say that Jews had “Jesus in their heart” unless they were Jews-for-Jesus or something.

I’ve been taking Torah classes on and off for 50+ years. Jesus has never been mentioned.

Hobelim is intentionally vague. He's playing games.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If you’re claiming Jesus approves of slaughtering defenseless people because combatants are hiding among them, you’re a fool.

And besides, the human shield’s argument made by dumb uninformed westerns to support murdering vast numbers of innocent civilians, is easily proven inaccurate.

You throw out insults but don’t provide a valid solution. It’s well documented that Hamas embeds itself among the population to garner reactions from uninformed viewers such as yourself. So what should Israel do? Shrug and walk away?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Hobelim is intentionally vague. He's playing games.

Hobelim is unintentionally stupid.

 

[BreezeWood]

So which religion should people follow?

same as jesus, the spoken heavenly religion of antiquity - the goal set by the heavens for a&e to have judgement for their own determination if accomplished.

- any religion which would not include those from the desert.

 

[BreezeWood]

Hobelim is unintentionally stupid.

that's nice of you - howabout intentionally ... as in azog.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

that's nice of you - howabout intentionally ... as in azog.

I am many things. Stupid isn’t one of em

 

[Woodznutz]

It's interesting that you say that----a very FERVENT christian who posts
frequently on these boards INSISTS that she never heard "jew" mentioned
in church or by her fellow christians. She was brought up catholic but
converted to ePISScopalian. I was brought up in a VERY christian town---
that included even deer hunters. I did all kinds of christmas things---from
sunday school as a kid and mitnite mass in college----JEWS IS A BIG TOPIC

Hard to be a serious Bible student without learning about Judah and Jews. Hard to be a serious Christian without having an opinion about the Jews as well.

 

[Woodznutz]

Discussions, yes. Nasty attacks because I don’t want to be proselytized, no.

Did you understand what Carl said? He said that my not wanting to have the NT thrown in my face means I’m telling him to reject Jesus.

Now think about it. He is saying that unless a Jew listens, and listens, and listens to gospels that go against HER beliefs, she is telling him to go against his. So why is it OK for a so-called Christian to tell a Jew she’s wrong? And then, if she says she doesn’t want to hear it, he indignantly accuses of her of trying to get him to renounce Jesus? isn’t that what he is doing to HER - trying to get her to renounce Judaism?

Some of you are such hypocrites that you remind me of Ledtists.

I ain't no stinkin' hypocrite.

 

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same as jesus, the spoken heavenly religion of antiquity - the goal set by the heavens for a&e to have judgement for their own determination if accomplished.

- any religion which would not include those from the desert.

Which religion would that be?

 

[Woodznutz]

That's not very clear. There's only one source (one sentence) and I heard in this source the word "kill" and "displace" are the same. In Germany exist many old place names - like for example "Sachsenhausen" (Home of the Saxons) - which are in other regions of Germany. So it could also be plausible Charlesmagne displaced 4000 nobles. Saxony in this time of history not had been Sachsen today - Saxons had been North Germans. And you have not to forget that Charlesmagne was no French Celt. He was a Germanic. An in the unwritten Germanic rules of this time war was to see like a decision of god. The man with the better gods wan so the losers overtook the gods of the winners. And this meant also the end of all wars against each other.

Duke Widukind of the Saxons made an unbelievable crime. He lost the war against the Frankonians. Everything was okay. The Saxons became Christian and Widukind became follower of Charlesmagne. But some time later - surprise! - Widukind started a second war - better to say a rebellion in this case. This broke the unwritten laws of the Germanic tribes. An unbelievable crime. After Charlesmagne wan this second war he had to punish the leading rebells. So he had executed 4000 leading nobles of the Saxons or he had displaced them. I'm very sure if Widukind had won the consequences for the Franconians had been much more drastic. Charlesmagne unified many Germanic tribes - and by doing so he also made them Christian. And Christians wan in wars because they had a better knowledge, were better organized and worked in a better way together. And Christians also not had been as cruel as others.

Lots of information on this.

Was Charlemagne a Mass Murderer?

Did the 'Massacre of Verden' actually happen with 4500 people dying in a single day? Was Charlemagne justified in his actions?

www.medievalists.net

 

[Woodznutz]

So which religion should people follow?

BreezeWood has his own church. He is the pastor, and the only member.