Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Anomalism]

Why would God necessarily be obvious and self-evident? That seems like an assumption to me. Monotheism and holy books aren't the only interpretation of God. Assuming God must be self evident to exist is creating your own set of assumptions about what God must be.

Your argument is "If X existed, it would have property Y. X doesn't have property Y. Therefore X doesn't exist."

But you never justified why X must have property Y. You just asserted it.

"Self-evidence" as a necessary property of divinity is itself a theological claim. Why would that be true?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

That's my whole point. Merely abstaining from evil (keeping the commandments) doesn't bear fruit. Doing good does. So, while it's 'good' to not harm others it's a zero-sum game regarding their needs. The intention of the law is two-fold, first stop harming each other, secondly help each other. Once you stop harming others you move on to helping, and harming is forgotten.

""Good Works", are a Component/ Result of, keeping The Ten Commandments.

I'm Thinking that We are Agreeing here Woodnutz.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What is hyper religious?..

People who actually believe and live by this garbage, instead of just performative religion once in a while.. For starters.

 

[BreezeWood]

The intention of the law is two-fold, first stop harming each other, secondly help each other.

""Good Works", are a Component/ Result of, keeping The Ten Commandments.

all three desert religions employ the same repressive commandments used to persecute and victimize the innocent as the heart of their religions - the 1st century events, jesus repudiated in the case of judaism those commandments et al to bring about the true heavenly goal to triumph over evil ... not to employ evil in their religions.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I mention the cafeteria Christians, and they come like the dinner bell has been rung.

And that's a good thing. The last thing we would want is more hyper religious Christian fundamentalists running around.

 

[Woodznutz]

all three desert religions employ the same repressive commandments used to persecute and victimize the innocent as the heart of their religions - the 1st century events, jesus repudiated in the case of judaism those commandments et al to bring about the true heavenly goal to triumph over evil ... not to employ evil in their religions.

Jesus repudiated Judaism. He didn't repudiate the law; he magnified it beyond the restrictive elements of it.

 

[Woodznutz]

I mention the cafeteria Christians, and they come like the dinner bell has been rung.

And that's a good thing. The last thing we would want is more hyper religious Christian fundamentalists running around.

Actually, we need more Christians who "live their religion" day to day.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Actually, we need more Christians who "live their religion" day to day.

Well that depends on what they consider "their religion", doesnt it?


Because, as you know, no two people can completely agree on it. That's the pratfall of trying to present a pile of nonsense as truth., with no good way to discern the truth of any of it.

 

[Woodznutz]

Well that depends on what they consider "their religion", doesnt it?


Because, as you know, no two people can completely agree on it. That's the pratfall of trying to present a pile of nonsense as truth., with no good way to discern the truth of any of it.

Christians are generally in agreement with what is right and good. Their disagreements may be doctrinal but not behavioral.

 

[ding]

Well that depends on what they consider "their religion", doesnt it?


Because, as you know, no two people can completely agree on it. That's the pratfall of trying to present a pile of nonsense as truth., with no good way to discern the truth of any of it.

There's no difference in the core belief.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus repudiated Judaism. He didn't repudiate the law; he magnified it beyond the restrictive elements of it.

beyond their restrictive elements - is their removal, as never having existed from the heavens.

there is nothing written by jesus to suit your claim, there are no laws - from the heavens - known by all free spirits as jesus.

you are referencing the 4th century christian bible written by crucifiers to justify their agenda - used to persecute and victimize the innocent the very objection why those events occurred - stone throwing jews.

provide the false commandments, tablets you claim that were destroyed before ever being witnessed by the liar moses. prove the heavenly verification for any so claimed laws.

 

[Woodznutz]

beyond their restrictive elements - is their removal, as never having existed from the heavens.

there is nothing written by jesus to suit your claim, there are no laws - from the heavens - known by all free spirits as jesus.

you are referencing the 4th century christian bible written by crucifiers to justify their agenda - used to persecute and victimize the innocent the very objection why those events occurred - stone throwing jews.

provide the false commandments, tablets you claim that were destroyed before ever being witnessed by the liar moses. prove the heavenly verification for any so claimed laws.

I have faith that God guided the pen of the inspired scribes who recorded what was necessary knowledge for us. Of course, sneaky snake made some changes and additions, but they have mostly been discovered.

Bible revelations are now part of our general knowledge base, but back in the day man made up his own rules and died because of them. Israel was called out of those destructive behaviors through the laws (yup) written by the hand of God.

The feral youth of the inner cities are not unlike those who perished in the flood. They believed that their degenerate lifestyle was quite normal.

 

[Rambunctious]

political encroachment against individual liberties ....

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by religions based on forgeries lies and fallacies written in their bibles - in support for their own selfish agendas.

They were democrats... the KKK had zero to do with religion...

 

[BreezeWood]

They were democrats... the KKK had zero to do with religion...

kkk is a christian only organization -

using whichever political party caters to their agenda - presently the pugs.

 

[BreezeWood]

I have faith that God guided the pen of the inspired scribes who recorded what was necessary knowledge for us.

us - being illiterate bigoted red necks ... were they using auto pen.

that's why the heavens chose mary and joseph who did not fear judaism, moses and their offspring as well as mary m non of which were jewish to be their heavenly exemplars ...

 

[Woodznutz]

us - being illiterate bigoted red necks ... were they using auto pen.

that's why the heavens chose mary and joseph who did not fear judaism, moses and their offspring as well as mary m non of which were jewish to be their heavenly exemplars ...

Sorry, but Joseph, Mary, and the disciples were mostly Jews. It is uncertain if Mary M. was an ethnic Jew but she was a "Jew" religiously as were many in the region of Galilee who were not ethnic Jews.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Christians are generally in agreement with what is right and good.

Because peope in general are. No need for the bronze age fairy tales. This comes from the genetic accident of where and when you were born.

 

[Woodznutz]

Because people in general are. No need for the bronze age fairy tales. This comes from the genetic accident of where and when you were born.

Apparently, you don't have much experience with people.

 

[Rambunctious]

kkk is a christian only organization -

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using whichever political party caters to their agenda - presently the pugs.

They were not a "christian org".... don't be ridiculous... which church were they attached to?....

 

[Clyde 154]

kkk is a christian only organization -

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using whichever political party caters to their agenda - presently the pugs.

Hardly.......the KKK was historically supported by the democrat party, the same democrats that supported slavery, jim crow, anti voting and property ownership by women.......who filibust the civil rights movement, it took 60 days to get an up or down vote, just 34 republicans voted against, while 96 democrats voted against the civil rights act You can't hide from history actual.

The best thing that happened from the civil rights movement just occurred when SCOTUS struck down the bigoted voting district gerrymandering. It's more than racist when a party establishes Special voting districts based on the color of skin.