Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Hafar1014]

Those "Jewish works",...... Do You consider the Torah to be "Jewish"?

Who do you think wrote it. Ernest Hemmingway. The question is can you even understand it?

 

[Hafar1014]

one can not exist without the other ... rather for some nature is the prima facia ...

We exist within nature. How hard is that

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Yes it is Hell was created by Christians for Christians as threat to compel obedience. it doesnt exist but your welcome to think it does.
Remember worship Jesus or burn in hell and he loves you
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The Prophet Hosea spoke of people like You Hafar:

Hos_4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.

Psa_21:9 You will make them as a fiery furnace in the time of your anger. Yahweh will swallow them up in his wrath. The fire shall devour them.

Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me,” says Yahweh, “so your offspring and your name shall remain.
Isa 66:23 It shall happen that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before me,” says Yahweh.
Isa 66:24 “They will go out, and look at the dead bodies of the men who have transgressed against me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

 

[Crepitus]

The "book" was written for people like you and him....

They needn't have bothered.

 

[Hafar1014]

The Prophet Hosea spoke of people like You Hafar:

Hos_4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.

Psa_21:9 You will make them as a fiery furnace in the time of your anger. Yahweh will swallow them up in his wrath. The fire shall devour them.

Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me,” says Yahweh, “so your offspring and your name shall remain.
Isa 66:23 It shall happen that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before me,” says Yahweh.
Isa 66:24 “They will go out, and look at the dead bodies of the men who have transgressed against me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

There has never been a person like me. you are quite welcome to your primitive beliefs.

 

[Woodznutz]

Wood, I have on my PC 22 different Bibles, A Hebrew to English Tanach (Old Testament), & 13 Bible Dictionaries. I also have two Bible Software Applications. I also have on my PC, many, many "Non-Canonized Works", such as Enoch, Yasher, & more.

I also have studied the Talmud, via the Internet, & have made many studies on the "Heretical Beliefs" of the "Talmudic Jews".

I have Documents that I've downloaded from the "Holy See"/Vatican LIbrary, in my Research of how Catholicism corrupted "The Truth of The Way", and how "Christianity",... The "Breakaway Daughters of Catholicism", still embrace many of the "Corrupt Core Beliefs" of Catholicism

I have a Library, that physically includes 8 different Bibles, & many, many Books that range from the History of the Canonization of the Two Testaments/Bible, to many studies on many of the various heretical, & widely different "Christian Sects", ... To the Wars, & Genocide, committed by various Sects of "Catholicism/Christianity",.....To Books that speak of The End Times Prophecies, & much, much, more.

I Have "Library Rights", at Hebrew Union College in Cinti., Ohio.

I also own a Arabic to English Quran, "Text,Translation, & Commentary" Written by A Yusuf Ali, printed in 1938, that is just as heavily highlighted, & noted within, like My Physical Bibles

With that said,....
"do you think about the literal commandments other than in discussions like this?"

What do You Think My Answer is?

I don't think the last six commandments are on your mind very much as they might apply to you as you go about your daily life. I believe that you, like me, are past that.

"Thou shalt not steal" is for thieves, not honest people.

 

[ding]

Yes it is Hell was created by Christians for Christians as threat to compel obedience. it doesnt exist but your welcome to think it does.
Remember worship Jesus or burn in hell and he loves you
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No. It wasn't. It wasn't created. Hell is the logical conclusion of failing to be accountable. In Judaism Jews may forfeit their place in the world to come which is no different.

 

[ding]

There has never been a person like me. you are quite welcome to your primitive beliefs.

There have been many Jews like you that have forfeited their place in the world to come.

 

[ding]

We exist within nature. How hard is that

"Existence" refers to the fact of being, while "nature" describes the inherent qualities, structure, and essence of that being. In other words, existence is what exists, nature describes what exists.

Let's say you are a cruel person. We would say it is your nature to be cruel. We wouldn't say that you are cruelty. You are the thing that exists. Cruelty is the nature of your existence.

 

[ding]

one can not exist without the other ... rather for some nature is the prima facia ...

Nature is a function of existence. The relationship isn't equal.

 

[Rambunctious]

They needn't have bothered.

Well some folks are beyond help... no book or church can save them... those souls have a rough road after life....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well some folks are beyond help... no book or church can save them... those souls have a rough road after life....

And there is the problem, with all of this.
.the hyper religious think this only life we will ever have is just a placeholder.

Do bad things? Just bow to Jebus, and you can hang out with your victims forever!

All of it is so immoral, at its core.

 

[Clyde 154]

And there is the problem, with all of this.
.the hyper religious think this only life we will ever have is just a placeholder.

Do bad things? Just bow to Jebus, and you can hang out with your victims forever!

All of it is so immoral, at its core.

Simple question? What animates this lump of carbon molecules that shares DNA with all lifeforms on earth.....all are carbon based to include plant life (example: the banana and humans share approx. 60%. What is the source of this life force and where does it go once the flesh stops working correctly?

Science proves that energy cannot be destroyed or created (and this is proven time and time again when life is attempted to be re-created without an existing example of that life within the same species......), in the entire history of mankind life has never been subject to creation by the supposed scientific method. Nature cannot re-create life outside its core species..... Who created the first life if "energy" cannot be CREATED via the laws of physics? Dead matter/mass cannot be changed into any living example....why? Because the energy that is the LIFE FORCE that animates cannot be created in nature.

The energy within the Human Body can be measured (the human brain's current can be measured, as well ass the conduit called the nervous system)......but it cannot be created once the energy stops flowing.

Energy can be transformed....what is this energy called the human spirit transformed into? NO ONE KNOWS. Stop pretending you know what the laws of physics cannot prove. Its just a Prima Facie opinion backed by no evidence whatsoever....only theory, IDEA/PHILOSOPHY. A theory is not a fact.........its an idea that can't be proven by facts in evidence.

 

[BreezeWood]

We exist within nature. How hard is that

sure, what has always been ... nature.

 

[BreezeWood]

Cruelty is the nature of your existence.

nature is the prima facea for all in existence ...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What animates this lump of carbon molecules that shares DNA with all lifeforms on earth.....

Same thing that "animates" an engine, or a gun. Or a star. Energy.

 

[ding]

nature is the prima facea for all in existence ...

Everything proceeds from existence even the nature of existence. It is the inherent qualities and essence of existence that proceed from existence that you call nature.

Prima facie is a Latin term meaning "at first sight" or "on its face," referring to evidence that is sufficient to prove a fact or a case unless it is disproved or rebutted. It denotes that a situation appears true upon initial examination before further investigation. Synonyms include presumed, apparent, evident, obvious, and self-evident

It is self evident that nature proceeds from existence rather than existence proceeding from nature.

 

[BreezeWood]

No. It wasn't. It wasn't created. Hell is the logical conclusion of failing to be accountable. In Judaism Jews may forfeit their place in the world to come which is no different.

certainly is different - accountability be in the eyes of the beholder.

as being a choice, the repudiation of judaism 1st century events in some cases without ramifications of perpetual punishment absurdity they learned 70ce who toed the line they were accounting.

 

[BreezeWood]

It is the inherent qualities and essence of existence that proceed from existence that you call nature ... It is self evident that nature proceeds from existence rather than existence proceeding from nature.

nature is prima facie, the heavens ... to all existence.

 

[ding]

certainly is different -

No. It's not.

accountability be in the eyes of the beholder.

Accountability is in the eyes of reality and truth. Reality isn't subjective and neither is accountability. You are describing perception of reality which is subjective and is the root of mankind's problems.

as being a choice,

Free will is choice. Choices have consequences.

the repudiation of judaism 1st century events

Is all in your head.

in some cases without ramifications

We live in an unfair world. Expect to make sacrifices.

of perpetual punishment

Free will is choice. Choices have consequences.

absurdity they learned 70ce who toed the line they were accounting.

Hell is not an absurdity. It exists in actuality. You can be eternally separated from God which is what hell is.