I no longer support Roe v Wade

[bodecea]

To funny The tell us again how the next republican president was not even born yet


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"To funny"....indeed.

 

[2aguy]

It is still important to establish and enforce Constitutional issues on both sides.
otherwise, this fight will continue if we never finish resolving the conflicts.

As for abortion itself, the problem will end when MEN are held equally
responsible for the decision to have sex, or MORE responsible in the case of rape
and coercion where women didn't agree to the sex, the pregnancy, and/or the abortion.

Address relationship abuse and sexual abuse, and abortion will be prevented as a result.

They are...if the woman decides to keep the baby, the man pays for it...if the woman decides to murder the child, the man has no say.....

if a man commits rape they go to jail....

 

[Rustic]

Trump has convinced me

Abortion has divided this country for 40 years. Why continue to fight for it?

Prior to 1972 and Roe v Wade, the states decided whether to allow abortion or not. In effect, Blue states allowed it and red states banned it

After Roe v Wade, women in red states were allowed access to abortion.

With the nomination of Trump, it was obvious that Trump would appoint conservative federal judges and Supreme Court justices who would water down and eventually repeal Roe v Wade.

70 percent of women in Red States supported Trump. It is obvious that women in red states have little interest in maintaining abortion rights in their state

Repeal would mean that small minority of women would have to go to a blue state for abortions.......doesn't seem to be that big a deal to women




.

I don't know what it is like where you live, but I don't see a bunch of people where I live scrambling to get into an abortion clinics to have abortions.
In fact there's one abortion clinic in the whole state of South Dakota, Sioux Falls South Dakota.

 

[2aguy]

Trump has convinced me

Abortion has divided this country for 40 years. Why continue to fight for it?

Prior to 1972 and Roe v Wade, the states decided whether to allow abortion or not. In effect, Blue states allowed it and red states banned it

After Roe v Wade, women in red states were allowed access to abortion.

With the nomination of Trump, it was obvious that Trump would appoint conservative federal judges and Supreme Court justices who would water down and eventually repeal Roe v Wade.

70 percent of women in Red States supported Trump. It is obvious that women in red states have little interest in maintaining abortion rights in their state

Repeal would mean that small minority of women would have to go to a blue state for abortions.......doesn't seem to be that big a deal to women




.

I don't know what it is like where you live, but I don't see a bunch of people where I live scrambling to get into an abortion clinics to have abortions.
In fact there's one abortion clinic in the whole state of South Dakota, Sioux Falls South Dakota.

The democrats put the abortion clinics in black neighborhoods.....

 

[The Great Goose]

People are afraid to speak out against anything because feminists stalk among them ready to stir up the mob at the drop of a hat.

I don't know if you are being satirical but it's actually true. Most people don't have much sympathy for the abortion cause, not deep down, not anymore.

Dear The Great Go ose
Yes and no
1. there is as much fear and oppression from prolife radicals who will stalk and threaten
women and feminists, clinics and doctors.
do you know of any prochoice advocates who have shot a prolife doctor in a church?
but a prolife advocate did shoot and kill an abortion doctor in church.

2. More and more people I know are coming out and vocally expressing
they are prolife and against abortion, but prochoice and don't want govt abused to criminalize women.

The answer is what prolife groups are already doing:
educating people on prevention
and providing help to mothers who otherwise turn to abortion for lack of support

Why not propose this:
Since so many people on the prolife side object to any govt funding or
connection with Planned Parenthood that has been abused as a political lobby fundraising machine
why not petition to Trump and Congress to support the Nurturing Network as an
equal alternatives to PP www.nurturingnetwork.org

that for every dollar that goes to PP
it is MATCHED with dollars that go to
the NURTURING NETWORK to expand those services
to provide more health care support for women without the abortion factor?

Why not lobby for separate health care tracks
and let taxpayers CHOOSE which to fund
* federal mandates on right to health care that penalize free market choices
but allow for legalization of abortion and drugs
* free market and charity/business choices for providing health care,
but abortions and drugs will be banned for members cho osing this track
and/or spiritual healing will be required to diagnose and cure addictions
and abusive disorders so no drugs are needed to medicate these symptoms

Yes, extreme politics has it's place I suppose, but I still think pro-choice people raising mobs against individuals in their local community is a lot more scary and effective than a pro-life person shooting someone on the other side of the country (or world).

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Consider that millions of babies conceived since 1973 by liberal parents, were killed in the womb and so never lived to follow in their parents' footprints.

Could the liberals make a colorable argument that Roe v. Wade resulted in Hillary's defeat in 2016?

Exactly. This is why they have to import more stupid/dependent people. They're killing off their own offspring.

 

[Rustic]

It is still important to establish and enforce Constitutional issues on both sides.
otherwise, this fight will continue if we never finish resolving the conflicts.

As for abortion itself, the problem will end when MEN are held equally
responsible for the decision to have sex, or MORE responsible in the case of rape
and coercion where women didn't agree to the sex, the pregnancy, and/or the abortion.

Address relationship abuse and sexual abuse, and abortion will be prevented as a result.

Remember the crazy republican who said that a woman can stop herself from getting pregnant if she was raped... What a dumb out of touch man.

I do think that the morning after pill should be legal and over the counter for everyone.

But some dumb out of touch man will say that it is abortion......


.

I would say women in general probably should act in the way were they don't have to have consistent abortions over and over again... lol

 

[Rustic]

Trump has convinced me

Abortion has divided this country for 40 years. Why continue to fight for it?

Prior to 1972 and Roe v Wade, the states decided whether to allow abortion or not. In effect, Blue states allowed it and red states banned it

After Roe v Wade, women in red states were allowed access to abortion.

With the nomination of Trump, it was obvious that Trump would appoint conservative federal judges and Supreme Court justices who would water down and eventually repeal Roe v Wade.

70 percent of women in Red States supported Trump. It is obvious that women in red states have little interest in maintaining abortion rights in their state

Repeal would mean that small minority of women would have to go to a blue state for abortions.......doesn't seem to be that big a deal to women




.

I don't know what it is like where you live, but I don't see a bunch of people where I live scrambling to get into an abortion clinics to have abortions.
In fact there's one abortion clinic in the whole state of South Dakota, Sioux Falls South Dakota.

The democrats put the abortion clinics in black neighborhoods.....

Some type of socialist population control?

 

[emilynghiem]

Come on tell us again RW how the next republican president is not born yet

Lmfao

Hi bear513 well people could say Trump is not a real Republican
but like Sanders and Obama, they use the party to push socialist agenda.
With Trump he is more populist, and I hope the PEOPLE he listens to
and represents include the Constitutionalists equally who will stand up to and stop overreaching.

Bush would not listen to his own, nor would Obama listen to Constitutional checks and balances.
Obama had to get sued over the ACA spending and to this day hasn't acknowledged
the mandates are unconstitutional.

If Trump keeps Cruz in his circle of advisors, he can stay on track.
But a liberal Constitutionalist may be needed to check Cruz
and keep Trump in the middle. Not a Statist liberal like Obama,
but one who argues not to abuse govt to impose on either left or right by the other.
Most people take sides, and even Cruz did on the marriage issue that should
be out of courts and in states and among the people to decide, not govt.

Both Clintons supported DOMA and that proved to be unconstitutional.
So we need a balanced slate of Constitutionalists on both sides
to make sure Trump doesn't make the same mistakes of Bush and Obama issuing
decrees that divide the nation in war, whether overseas or domestic political war for control.

We can avoid that if Trump listens to both sides, but it's best if they
meet in agreement and not compromise as with ACA that both sides rejected as corporate garbage.

 

[emilynghiem]

It is still important to establish and enforce Constitutional issues on both sides.
otherwise, this fight will continue if we never finish resolving the conflicts.

As for abortion itself, the problem will end when MEN are held equally
responsible for the decision to have sex, or MORE responsible in the case of rape
and coercion where women didn't agree to the sex, the pregnancy, and/or the abortion.

Address relationship abuse and sexual abuse, and abortion will be prevented as a result.

Remember the crazy republican who said that a woman can stop herself from getting pregnant if she was raped... What a dumb out of touch man.

I do think that the morning after pill should be legal and over the counter for everyone.

But some dumb out of touch man will say that it is abortion......


.

I would say women in general probably should act in the way were they don't have to have consistent abortions over and over again... lol

Rustic
and how can any of these "women" do that, without "men" acting with them?

If both men and women were educated that the more partners you have
the greater risk of HPV which has no cure and causes
greater incidence of cancer?

With men they are getting throat cancer from oral sex.
And not only are women getting cervical cancer,
but the future partners/wives of men with past multiple partners
are also at greater risk of cancer.

So the men risk affecting more women, too,
Why not address the men and not just the women?

 

[Rustic]

It is still important to establish and enforce Constitutional issues on both sides.
otherwise, this fight will continue if we never finish resolving the conflicts.

As for abortion itself, the problem will end when MEN are held equally
responsible for the decision to have sex, or MORE responsible in the case of rape
and coercion where women didn't agree to the sex, the pregnancy, and/or the abortion.

Address relationship abuse and sexual abuse, and abortion will be prevented as a result.

Remember the crazy republican who said that a woman can stop herself from getting pregnant if she was raped... What a dumb out of touch man.

I do think that the morning after pill should be legal and over the counter for everyone.

But some dumb out of touch man will say that it is abortion......


.

I would say women in general probably should act in the way were they don't have to have consistent abortions over and over again... lol

Rustic
and how can any of these "women" do that, without "men" acting with them?

What women can't say no?

 

[Care4all]

Trump has convinced me

Abortion has divided this country for 40 years. Why continue to fight for it?

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Consider that millions of babies conceived since 1973 by liberal parents, were killed in the womb and so never lived to follow in their parents' footprints.

Could the liberals make a colorable argument that Roe v. Wade resulted in Hillary's defeat in 2016?

what's sad, is those girls who chose the abortion vs having 5 kids with no daddy to be seen and having to be on welfare, are better off and probably successful job oriented citizens, tax paying citizens today...who are praised by society... with some, their insides may be hurting, and sorrowful....but their outside appearance and success in the outward 'responsibility' sense, are praised by society....... and the woman who chose NOT to abort her children, is admonished and called a welfare queen....

We have one messed up world....

 

[ding]

Q. Do you tell a woman who is considering a D&E that the fetal arms, legs, extremities may be
dismembered is in the course of a dismemberment variation D&E, Dr. Westhoff?
A. I tell patients that we will remove all of the fetus and the uterus and membrane, the placenta
and membranes from the uterus as safely as possible and that that proceeds somewhat differently
for all patients.
~
Q. How often will it be necessary to collapse the fetal skull during D&E whether the D&E
proceeds by a dismemberment or more relatively intact, Doctor?
A. For the vast majority of D&Es [] be necessary it either crush or collapse the fetal skull.
THE COURT: Do you tell the woman that? Do you use the word crush?
THE WITNESS: Your Honor, I do not.
THE COURT: I didn't think so.

What do you recommend if a woman is going to die unless if she has an abortion..
What is your solution?

Maybe not have as many horndog republicans....?

That's between her and God, not me. But if I were her, I would risk my life for my child.

Dear ding
if more men who accept responsibility and respect both mother and child and health and life for both
are the ones who have children, and don't even bother with women who don't care;
and women quit relations with men who abuse and don't respect consent of women or the health and lives of others,
then maybe we wouldn't have such problems!

Agreed, but they aren't. That's why women should be more judicious in their standard of conduct... because men can and do run off and leaving them holding the bag, so to speak. I know it's not fair to them, but nobody ever said life was fair. That's just the reality of the situation though.

Almost there ding let's take it further
What about the men?
isn't stopping MEN from having sex if it isn't consensual to have a child
the real key?
Because how many women can force a man to have sex and impregnate them against their will
vs
men who can coerce and force women to have sex and get pregnant
whether the man or the woman wants the pregnancy or child

which is more likely to prevent abortion?
punishing and judging the woman
or focusing on the man to stop coercion and abuse?

if you say both that's fair,
but to continue focusing on the women more than men for the act of sex?
WTF???

where I'd focus on the women is providing better resources so they
don't compromise, and the ones who have been coerced into abusive relations,
or even trafficking which is a growing industry, do ne ed better support.
But that ALSO comes from not judging and putting more on women
than on the men who are at least HALF responsible for the
sex that leads to pregnancy, if not MORE in the case of rape and abuse of women.

We are not really almost there. Men will continue to be men. When a man forces a woman to have sex, that is rape and it is illegal. It really has no bearing on this discussion. As much as you would like for men to be virtuous, the reality is that many will not. You can't make people be virtuous. You can write all the laws you want but in the end, it is a bad situation for the woman and the child when men run off. It is much better for women to look out after themselves by being aware of the men and maintaining a higher standard of conduct to separate the bad men from the good men. There are still one or two good men out there.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Trump has convinced me

Abortion has divided this country for 40 years. Why continue to fight for it?

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Consider that millions of babies conceived since 1973 by liberal parents, were killed in the womb and so never lived to follow in their parents' footprints.

Could the liberals make a colorable argument that Roe v. Wade resulted in Hillary's defeat in 2016?

Conservative sluts have abortions too

Q. Do you tell a woman who is considering a D&E that the fetal arms, legs, extremities may be
dismembered is in the course of a dismemberment variation D&E, Dr. Westhoff?
A. I tell patients that we will remove all of the fetus and the uterus and membrane, the placenta
and membranes from the uterus as safely as possible and that that proceeds somewhat differently
for all patients.
~
Q. How often will it be necessary to collapse the fetal skull during D&E whether the D&E
proceeds by a dismemberment or more relatively intact, Doctor?
A. For the vast majority of D&Es [] be necessary it either crush or collapse the fetal skull.
THE COURT: Do you tell the woman that? Do you use the word crush?
THE WITNESS: Your Honor, I do not.
THE COURT: I didn't think so.

What do you recommend if a woman is going to die unless if she has an abortion..
What is your solution?

Maybe not have as many horndog republicans....?

That's between her and God, not me. But if I were her, I would risk my life for my child.

God?, who's that?

 

[ding]

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Consider that millions of babies conceived since 1973 by liberal parents, were killed in the womb and so never lived to follow in their parents' footprints.

Could the liberals make a colorable argument that Roe v. Wade resulted in Hillary's defeat in 2016?

Conservative sluts have abortions too

Q. Do you tell a woman who is considering a D&E that the fetal arms, legs, extremities may be
dismembered is in the course of a dismemberment variation D&E, Dr. Westhoff?
A. I tell patients that we will remove all of the fetus and the uterus and membrane, the placenta
and membranes from the uterus as safely as possible and that that proceeds somewhat differently
for all patients.
~
Q. How often will it be necessary to collapse the fetal skull during D&E whether the D&E
proceeds by a dismemberment or more relatively intact, Doctor?
A. For the vast majority of D&Es [] be necessary it either crush or collapse the fetal skull.
THE COURT: Do you tell the woman that? Do you use the word crush?
THE WITNESS: Your Honor, I do not.
THE COURT: I didn't think so.

What do you recommend if a woman is going to die unless if she has an abortion..
What is your solution?

Maybe not have as many horndog republicans....?

That's between her and God, not me. But if I were her, I would risk my life for my child.

God?, who's that?

Maybe you will find out one day, but I'd like to thank you for proving one of my points.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

 

[rightwinger]

The only purpose of Roe v Wade is to allow abortions in Red States

As Trump demonstrated so well, women in Red States really don't care

Dude, have you know shame in using this topic as a political football? Do you really need for me to re-post the court testimony about how they tear the limbs off of the baby while it is still alive? Seriously?

Abortion is a political issue

 

[NYcarbineer]

Fine, let abortions go back to the states. All that will accomplish is that a girl in a red state will have to sneak across some border into a blue state to get her abortion.

 

[emilynghiem]

It is still important to establish and enforce Constitutional issues on both sides.
otherwise, this fight will continue if we never finish resolving the conflicts.

As for abortion itself, the problem will end when MEN are held equally
responsible for the decision to have sex, or MORE responsible in the case of rape
and coercion where women didn't agree to the sex, the pregnancy, and/or the abortion.

Address relationship abuse and sexual abuse, and abortion will be prevented as a result.

Remember the crazy republican who said that a woman can stop herself from getting pregnant if she was raped... What a dumb out of touch man.

I do think that the morning after pill should be legal and over the counter for everyone.

But some dumb out of touch man will say that it is abortion......


.

I would say women in general probably should act in the way were they don't have to have consistent abortions over and over again... lol

Rustic
and how can any of these "women" do that, without "men" acting with them?

What women can't say no?

Rustic again
why can't men say no when they don't want to get married
to the woman and support pregnancy or children?

Why can't BOTH say no?

And men can abuse women to coerce them
more readily than women can force a man to have sex against his will.

Think about that physiologically!

That's fine if you want to hold women responsible,
but that should also apply to men equally.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservative sluts have abortions too

Q. Do you tell a woman who is considering a D&E that the fetal arms, legs, extremities may be
dismembered is in the course of a dismemberment variation D&E, Dr. Westhoff?
A. I tell patients that we will remove all of the fetus and the uterus and membrane, the placenta
and membranes from the uterus as safely as possible and that that proceeds somewhat differently
for all patients.
~
Q. How often will it be necessary to collapse the fetal skull during D&E whether the D&E
proceeds by a dismemberment or more relatively intact, Doctor?
A. For the vast majority of D&Es [] be necessary it either crush or collapse the fetal skull.
THE COURT: Do you tell the woman that? Do you use the word crush?
THE WITNESS: Your Honor, I do not.
THE COURT: I didn't think so.

What do you recommend if a woman is going to die unless if she has an abortion..
What is your solution?

Maybe not have as many horndog republicans....?

That's between her and God, not me. But if I were her, I would risk my life for my child.

God?, who's that?

Maybe you will find out one day, but I'd like to thank you for proving one of my points.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

God. Prove the existence of God, with a logical argument.

 

[emilynghiem]

Fine, let abortions go back to the states. All that will accomplish is that a girl in a red state will have to sneak across some border into a blue state to get her abortion.

No NYcarbineer
Thanks to Obama ACA mandates, why can't states set up alternatives,
so people who believe in supporting abortion can have their own tracks for that.

But keep the rest of the public out of it who doesn't agree to fund and support it.

We have private Catholic schools and charity hospitals that support right to life.
Why not private programs that support right to health care including "reproductive rights" if that's what people believe?