I no longer support Roe v Wade

[The Great Goose]

People are afraid to speak out against anything because feminists stalk among them ready to stir up the mob at the drop of a hat.

I don't know if you are being satirical but it's actually true. Most people don't have much sympathy for the abortion cause, not deep down, not anymore.

Dear The Great Go ose
Yes and no
1. there is as much fear and oppression from prolife radicals who will stalk and threaten
women and feminists, clinics and doctors.
do you know of any prochoice advocates who have shot a prolife doctor in a church?
but a prolife advocate did shoot and kill an abortion doctor in church.

2. More and more people I know are coming out and vocally expressing
they are prolife and against abortion, but prochoice and don't want govt abused to criminalize women.

The answer is what prolife groups are already doing:
educating people on prevention
and providing help to mothers who otherwise turn to abortion for lack of support

Why not propose this:
Since so many people on the prolife side object to any govt funding or
connection with Planned Parenthood that has been abused as a political lobby fundraising machine
why not petition to Trump and Congress to support the Nurturing Network as an
equal alternatives to PP www.nurturingnetwork.org

that for every dollar that goes to PP
it is MATCHED with dollars that go to
the NURTURING NETWORK to expand those services
to provide more health care support for women without the abortion factor?

Why not lobby for separate health care tracks
and let taxpayers CHOOSE which to fund
* federal mandates on right to health care that penalize free market choices
but allow for legalization of abortion and drugs
* free market and charity/business choices for providing health care,
but abortions and drugs will be banned for members cho osing this track
and/or spiritual healing will be required to diagnose and cure addictions
and abusive disorders so no drugs are needed to medicate these symptoms

Yes, extreme politics has it's place I suppose, but I still think pro-choice people raising mobs against individuals in their local community is a lot more scary and effective than a pro-life person shooting someone on the other side of the country (or world).

And how many Doctors who kill babies were shot by people......? The pro-killing of babies side acts like it is a daily occurrence.....when in truth it is the rarest of rare crimes.....

Yes exactly.

 

[buckeye45_73]

It is still important to establish and enforce Constitutional issues on both sides.
otherwise, this fight will continue if we never finish resolving the conflicts.

As for abortion itself, the problem will end when MEN are held equally
responsible for the decision to have sex, or MORE responsible in the case of rape
and coercion where women didn't agree to the sex, the pregnancy, and/or the abortion.

Address relationship abuse and sexual abuse, and abortion will be prevented as a result.

Well the problem is that men dont get pregnant so they never had to have the guilt or consequences of it. Feminists didnt like it, but instead of making men more responsible, they went the free love promiscuous route , its caused issues.

I opppse abortion, but it should be a state decision, just like murder.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservative sluts have abortions too

Q. Do you tell a woman who is considering a D&E that the fetal arms, legs, extremities may be
dismembered is in the course of a dismemberment variation D&E, Dr. Westhoff?
A. I tell patients that we will remove all of the fetus and the uterus and membrane, the placenta
and membranes from the uterus as safely as possible and that that proceeds somewhat differently
for all patients.
~
Q. How often will it be necessary to collapse the fetal skull during D&E whether the D&E
proceeds by a dismemberment or more relatively intact, Doctor?
A. For the vast majority of D&Es [] be necessary it either crush or collapse the fetal skull.
THE COURT: Do you tell the woman that? Do you use the word crush?
THE WITNESS: Your Honor, I do not.
THE COURT: I didn't think so.

What do you recommend if a woman is going to die unless if she has an abortion..
What is your solution?

Maybe not have as many horndog republicans....?

That's between her and God, not me. But if I were her, I would risk my life for my child.

God?, who's that?

Maybe you will find out one day, but I'd like to thank you for proving one of my points.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

Ten pounds of horseshit in a 5 pound paragraph. Now that's a mess.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It is still important to establish and enforce Constitutional issues on both sides.
otherwise, this fight will continue if we never finish resolving the conflicts.

As for abortion itself, the problem will end when MEN are held equally
responsible for the decision to have sex, or MORE responsible in the case of rape
and coercion where women didn't agree to the sex, the pregnancy, and/or the abortion.

Address relationship abuse and sexual abuse, and abortion will be prevented as a result.

None of those are constitutional issues.

Yes Tipsycatlover it not only involves constitutional issues but BELIEFS about constitutional
authority or limits of govt

Where people have a belief or political creed about right to life, right to health care,
free choice, or states rights,
it has come into conflict making public policy
where SOME people believe the Supreme Court is overreaching and crossing into state matters,
and others believe the opposite that the point is to prevent overreaching of religion into govt.

The two beliefs are clashing over how much authority the Courts have.
So that is a constitutional issue, to the point we may need an amendment clarification
or agreement on political beliefs and creeds to address it!

The constitutional issue has been settled years ago.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It is still important to establish and enforce Constitutional issues on both sides.
otherwise, this fight will continue if we never finish resolving the conflicts.

As for abortion itself, the problem will end when MEN are held equally
responsible for the decision to have sex, or MORE responsible in the case of rape
and coercion where women didn't agree to the sex, the pregnancy, and/or the abortion.

Address relationship abuse and sexual abuse, and abortion will be prevented as a result.

Well the problem is that men dont get pregnant so they never had to have the guilt or consequences of it. Feminists didnt like it, but instead of making men more responsible, they went the free love promiscuous route , its caused issues.

I opppse abortion, but it should be a state decision, just like murder.

The error is in thinking that feminism could make men more responsible. Of course nothing can make someone have any personality trait. That is ridiculous. The closest forcing a sense of responsibility comes is boys getting a sense of responsibity as taught by their father's behavior to their mothers. Today fathers are unnecessary. That's what we are left with.

Part two are children raised in same sex households. Fuck the women, that's all they are good for if you don't have a man.

 

[Care4all]

If women cared about their reproductive rights, equal pay and respect they would not have voted for Trump

53% of white women voted for Trump

.

What if women like me believe in these freedoms without going through govt?

If my right to choose depends on a 5-4 decision by people in DC I will never meet, or depends on whether Obama Clinton Trump or Romney raise more in the millions or play games in media to get elected,
What kind of "right" is this?
That it depends on the Opinion of others, and you call that free choice? NOT ME!

I believe, as conservative Constitutionalists do, that my free will and beliefs are inherently my choice and can't be abridged by govt by the Constitution. If we enforce and follow the Constitution as a common standard, that already protects my free choice under existing laws .

In fact rightwinger of all arguments, the Constitutional one about not making laws by faith based arguments is what keeps these out of govt.

However RW sadly, Obama violated this very tenet with the ACADEMY mandates that forced the belief in health care as a right on taxpayers not represented by that belief. Clinton also violated Constitutional principles by supporting instead of stopping the passage of DOMA. Then there's the use of federal courts to threaten to impose on states the belief in marriage as a right that requires a written law to be passed not just judicial rulings.

All of these undermine the prochoice argument not to establish beliefs through govt.

The Democratic leadership has done more to undermine the defense of prochoice arguments by Constitutional law and opened the door for right to life and Christian beliefs to be imposed through law, if LGBT beliefs and beliefs in right to marriage or right to health care get imposed by federal govt (instead of chosen freely by people what each person believes in, and leaving it to states to work out laws).

the only way to have insurance cover high risk older people and those with preexisting conditions to where their insurance premium is affordable, is a mandate for everyone, to buy insurance, so the cost of covering the preexisting conditions is spread out through out the community, making it more expensive for the healthy in the community...until the healthy and young turn older and/or sick and then they will benefit from the affordable rates for themselves when they are in need.

the REASON the mandate did not work to lower costs, is cuz people chose to pay the penalty and not take out coverage, and because millions of people still do not have insurance, including of millions of the healthy, due to the Medicare expansion not being utilized in all the States.

This is why universal single payer would be cheaper for all of us, whether it be through taxes or premium we and businesses pay, because everyone is enrolled, the healthy and sick....and there are way more healthy people, than sick people...plus there would be price controls with it.

 

[ding]

Q. Do you tell a woman who is considering a D&E that the fetal arms, legs, extremities may be
dismembered is in the course of a dismemberment variation D&E, Dr. Westhoff?
A. I tell patients that we will remove all of the fetus and the uterus and membrane, the placenta
and membranes from the uterus as safely as possible and that that proceeds somewhat differently
for all patients.
~
Q. How often will it be necessary to collapse the fetal skull during D&E whether the D&E
proceeds by a dismemberment or more relatively intact, Doctor?
A. For the vast majority of D&Es [] be necessary it either crush or collapse the fetal skull.
THE COURT: Do you tell the woman that? Do you use the word crush?
THE WITNESS: Your Honor, I do not.
THE COURT: I didn't think so.

What do you recommend if a woman is going to die unless if she has an abortion..
What is your solution?

Maybe not have as many horndog republicans....?

That's between her and God, not me. But if I were her, I would risk my life for my child.

God?, who's that?

Maybe you will find out one day, but I'd like to thank you for proving one of my points.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

Ten pounds of horseshit in a 5 pound paragraph. Now that's a mess.

The laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to arise by the laws of nature. Here is the proof you have been looking for. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

 

[ding]

Q. Do you tell a woman who is considering a D&E that the fetal arms, legs, extremities may be
dismembered is in the course of a dismemberment variation D&E, Dr. Westhoff?
A. I tell patients that we will remove all of the fetus and the uterus and membrane, the placenta
and membranes from the uterus as safely as possible and that that proceeds somewhat differently
for all patients.
~
Q. How often will it be necessary to collapse the fetal skull during D&E whether the D&E
proceeds by a dismemberment or more relatively intact, Doctor?
A. For the vast majority of D&Es [] be necessary it either crush or collapse the fetal skull.
THE COURT: Do you tell the woman that? Do you use the word crush?
THE WITNESS: Your Honor, I do not.
THE COURT: I didn't think so.

What do you recommend if a woman is going to die unless if she has an abortion..
What is your solution?

Maybe not have as many horndog republicans....?

That's between her and God, not me. But if I were her, I would risk my life for my child.

God?, who's that?

Maybe you will find out one day, but I'd like to thank you for proving one of my points.

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

Ten pounds of horseshit in a 5 pound paragraph. Now that's a mess.

When you create something can your creation be used as evidence?

 

[NLT]

Trump has convinced me

Abortion has divided this country for 40 years. Why continue to fight for it?

Repeal would mean that small minority of women would have to go to a blue state for abortions.......doesn't seem to be that big a deal to women

.

Still pouting?

 

[jknowgood]

The Democrat party won't go for it. Abortion kills to many blacks. They want complete control over them.

 

[OldLady]

Yeah, now that I'm too old to get knocked up, why fight it anymore?

 

[Little-Acorn]

Trump has convinced me

Abortion has divided this country for 40 years. Why continue to fight for it?

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Consider that millions of babies conceived since 1973 by liberal parents, were killed in the womb and so never lived to follow in their parents' footprints.

Could the liberals make a colorable argument that Roe v. Wade resulted in Hillary's defeat in 2016?

 

[whitehall]

Kind of ironic that the woman who initiated the case doesn't support it either. It should be noted that Hillary would have authorized the murder of full term infants (disproportionately Black) as long as the technicians made sure a portion of the head remained in the birth canal while the baby silently screams as it's throat is cut. You wouldn't do it to a freaking dog.