I cant afford it in my wallet to vote for a democrat

[Wyatt earp]

Of course you can. If you're making 60-80k per year you actually can't afford not to vote Democrat. You actually don't make enough to benefit from the GOP's tax breaks that only help people making more than 250k per year.

The Republican party couldn't give any less of a fuck about you. They hate the middle class and are hell bent on making sure they disappear entirely.

The Democrats have done SO much for the people, right? Look at Detroit, Chicago and large cities everywhere Democrats rule!

Thanks Jackson
just read a postcard comparing
the debts and costs of Democrat led
City of Houston's record
cf with
Harris County that is Republican led.

To be fair, what they leave out is the
tax enforcement on property of both
have dismal records of corruption and abuse.
And the record and cost of crime and incarceration
coming out of Harris county puts a larger burden
on taxpayers statewide than the numbers will show.

What isn't shown is the strong relations and influence
with churches, ministries and educational institutions
in Houston that are responsible for a lot of the positive
social capital and diverse resources in Houston and Harris County.

The police who spoke at a Fifth Ward church in a historically
Black neighborhood cited the strong ministerial connections
between churches and police and city that accounted for
the lack of rioting type behavior against police as in other cities.

So what is to credit is the spiritual work of the church
and volunteer outreach. If that element is cut off or corrupted,
as Democrats have promoted this culture of demonizing and
rejecting Christian practice, that is cutting off the very support
system that impoverished communities depend on to overcome
hardship. Trying to make people dependent on govt and to take
resources away from community faith based groups is backwards.

But that's what the Democrats have done to extort votes from minorities.
Buying them out and making them dependent, instead of promoting
independence and rewarding community leaders with tax breaks
for investing in their own programs. Instead, the Democrats make
careers collecting resources for their own campaigns for office.
even if those resources, and donations from corporate interests,
mean taking away from the very communities they claim to represent
that go without funding support.

The Democrats will even fight amongst themselves
who gets to play the role of house slave in this game.

Very sick and saddening.
I will be glad to see the day this is finally replaced
with microlending and training programs, as both
Carson and Obama have both advocated as the best solution
to end dependence on welfare. The day all Black leaders
finally unite, and quit pandering to the left right politics and media,
not only will the poorest communities benefit, but the entire nation!

What a day my cubbies win the world series and you spark my interest on what started off as a sarcastic thread of mine? Dang Emily I am breathless , speechless you got it..perfect ..

Congratulations on a successful thread and a historic win.
It was only that I was sick last night and happened to watch it with my bf
who is a huge baseball fan
that I ended up watching history being made.

There have been good relations in the past with the advocates of
public housing reform in my Freedmen's Town neighborhood
with advocates in Chicago working on the issues there.

So maybe we could work together in the future to make sure
the ideals and promises of the Democratic party are made good.
I believe that is owed to the constituents who have been bought and sold on that ticket.
The Black Democrats especially have been sold down the river,
and though they may not believe in suing, they have more standing than any other group I've seen.
Since the leadership that could pull this off comes from the Black pastors of
Christian churches and the Muslim leaders, they won't need to sue if they band together
and just ask or petition as a united front.

That's where I think this could happen, as I have seen the Black Christian
and Black Muslim leadership and what they can do. If they continue this
progression toward uniting left and right, liberal and conservative around
solid business plans, boom, there it is. They will have it.

As you said, we cannot afford to keep going otherwise.
So out of pure necessity, we have to change how things are done.

Thanks for posting this thread. As long as you reach out to others
and are open to the diverse responses you get, you will get more
than you give here, or at worst break even. As much as you share
with others, you will gain as much back or more.

Especially by reaching across the aisle, into the areas where you
least understand, by making allies there, that is building bridges
that we need in order to turn this country around.

So may I encourage you to keep exploring, keep asking and
keep challenging the barriers and reasons for opposition and obstruction
you see standing in the way of progress. it's a mutual give and take,
and the more we stretch to include the new insights and different
approaches of others, the more they do the same with us.

Thanks bear513
and Congratulations again on the wonderful hard earned
victory that Chicago is celebrating. More power to you!

Holy crap Emily you are not a statistic. But the real deal


Again I am blown away

 

[Wyatt earp]

Damn Emily never thought in my life time I get to talk with a person of a high IQ as Mr Deming again?but you have it.
What's your IQ level? It has to be mesa

 

[emilynghiem]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

What is it about the Democrat or Hillary's plans that make you think it's going to cost you more? Is it her tax plan? Have you compared her plan to Trumps plan? You know when they say that Hillary wants to increase taxes it is a spin, as it only applies to people making over $250,000 right?

Trump doesn't have a plan, he will be lock stock and barrel with the democrats and republicans plan in congress same with hillary same with Obama they don't have a plan.

Obama Care took thousands of dollars away from hard working americans yea we can live and fight another day but come on ..Hillary's plan is the same as Obama's

Put Emily back on here her Ideas make more sense to me


Let republicans control foreign policy and national defense let democrats control social problems

The Damn post of the decade

Haha, I like it... or better yet, get rid of Ds and Rs all together

Dear Slade3200
That is like trying to get rid of religions to stop religious abuse.
We can agree to team up to stop the abuse of political parties,
but people will always choose and represent themselves by affiliations
in one form or another.

I say let's embrace all parties, put them in charge of funding their
own programs through their own elected reps and structures.
give them tax breaks for developing their own policies
instead of trying to impose these through govt on everyone else.
If they develop really effective solutions, then other citizens and
groups will freely choose to adopt those models. It doesn't have to be
forced through govt. Like health care: the Greens and Democrats have
enough collective numbers to support their own membership coops.
So give tax breaks, reward them for setting up sustainable
clinics and health care programs. Republicans can work with Vets
to reform and take back the VA and make that whole system work.

We can organize a separate senate type network
that includes input equally from all of these parties, like states in a union
that are still responsible for their own constituents. Let each national party select 3-4 reps
per state, one liberal one conservative and one moderator to coordinate between them
and one ombudsman to represent party members or objections not otherwise represented.
And then on each issue of political beliefs dividing states and the nation, let these
party reps host constitutional conferences to spell out positions on each issue.
The points of agreement, of dissension, what is agreed to be in public policy
per state or federal levels, and what is not agreed on. And then feed these guidelines
to the appropriate depts of federal and state govt, so they know what the laws
can or cannot include or how to word them if people in each state are going to consent.

Anything that can't be agreed upon, I'd ask to separate by party.
So health care can be divided by party and give members and taxpayers
a choice which track to fund as "state alternatives".
Marriage definitions, terms, conditions and benefits
can be organized separately by party to avoid stepping on each other's beliefs.

The state can manage and recognize civil unions or whatever
members of each state agree to call it, civil marriage or domestic partnerships etc.
But the terms are up to people to organize and finance through their own party
so they can both choose either to include same sex or to exclude it.

As for party representation in general, the Greens propose proportional representation
instead of giving all the votes to majority winner taking all,
dividing up representation where it is proportional to the party affiliations of that
district or city.

My take on this is to let all parties have equal representation,
so members of small groups are treated equally as
people in larger ones, and use the Green model of
consensus decision making to include all these equally.

What blocks the consensus process is people who object
but don't offer an alternative to correct the reason for the conflict.
So that's why I propose to write out both the areas of agreement
and the points of objection, and which people agree to the
different ways of correcting that objection. Not all people will.

We could end up with the limited govt that both the Conservative
Republicans and Libertarians preach about, by only sticking to
where we agree and only giving that to the feds to be in charge of.

But that doesn't mean we don't have ways of providing for the
larger areas on the state and local levels. We can still manage
those under "constitutional principles" by teaching local
communities and their respective leaders and organizations
to manage these programs themselves where they do all the
same things as federal govt would do, but on a local scale.

If we don't teach and empower people on this level to
exercise the same management responsibilities for
resources themselves, that's why they keep reaching out
to the state or federal govt for help to defend their equal interests.

We need to bring that back home and set up means of
training and mentoring people to experience how to
do this level of work themselves. So in the end,
it is what the Democrats are doing which is "expanding govt'
NOT by imposing federal govt on the people, but the opposite:
it's empowering the local people to be their own govt and
no longer depending on state or federal to do that work.

 

[Wyatt earp]

_
To the ghost readers yup I know exactly what I am doing

 

[emilynghiem]

Damn Emily never thought in my life time I get to talk with a person of a high IQ as Mr Deming again?but you have it.
What's your IQ level? It has to be mesa

When I tested in high school it was 141 or 142.
But after arguing with idiot online for years, I think it's down a notch or two!

I'm above average in intelligence but my real gift is being a super sensitive empath.
So with each person I meet, I can work with their context, their language and biases
and eventually learn how to communicate using their terms and experiences.

So then I can help translate between people of different cultures and backgrounds
who otherwise have no patience or trust to see where the other side is coming from
or what they could possibly mean by what they say and do.

I think that is the best gift and advantage I have to offer.
I used to be better at academics, both math and writing,
but getting burned out at age 50, my brain gets tired these days.

So I hope to finish using my gifts and the experiences and insights I have amassed
over the years from diverse groups and people coming from all directions,
to consult with the right leaders who can take these ideas and assimilate them into
working solutions to implement as models.

Once people see they work and can be replicated, the ideas speak for themselves.
And I won't have to type a billions messages with a billion words anymore.
My job will be done and I can retire and get more sleep.

Thanks for your encouraging support.
It's nice to meet other people who are open to seeing there are better solutions out there.

I give a lot of credit to the Greens who are the new Democrats.
The Libertarians are also the real Conservatives.

The Greens and Libertarians have been actively partnering up since 2012
to prepare to work together more directly. So we will see more bridges
rebuilding to replace the ones getting burned left and right.

the more effective sustainable solutions will finally rise to the top
and get the public exposure they deserve. we just have to be ready
for that level of change, and be willing to set aside our old ways
of thinking and approaching conflicts that aren't resolving them.

We can and will do better in the future, or we can't keep going like this!

As for R and D, just make them pay for the costs of their own policies and politicians.
Hold them responsible for any corruption or abuse of tax money enabled by those parties
and their collusions to get their buddies into office,
And either they go bankrupt if they bail out and refuse to pay for their own,
or the people who've paid the price for them
will take over from there....

 

[EverCurious]

Emily you are missing a key component in your argument (which I agree with on many points)

The "spiritual" aspect for many many liberals and democrats is still there, it is merely turned to their party. It is not the ideals of the party that are wrong per say, it is the corruption of the leaders; and just as in the case with religion, it only takes one bad apple...

There are wolves and there are sheep, this will never change, sheep will always have an innate need for someone to guide them, to tell them what to do - be them republican, democratic, green, libertarian, or independent - it is simply a fact of life. We must crack down on the wolves who abuse their sheep. It is that simple, until we are willing to fight for alpha status over the beta wolves who would not properly guide the pack, then we are doomed to fail regardless of party affiliations of the "bad alphas" that happen to be acting up. In the past it's been religious leaders striking the heart of freedom of association and religion and personal lives, today it is corruption and the abuse of money (generally on the part of liberals) No one is without mistakes, but make no mistake about it, if we continue to allow beta wolves to lead the people we will fail.

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

 

[emilynghiem]

Emily you are missing a key component in your argument (which I agree with on many points)

The "spiritual" aspect for many many liberals and democrats is still there, it is merely turned to their party. It is not the ideals of the party that are wrong per say, it is the corruption of the leaders; and just as in the case with religion, it only takes one bad apple...

There are wolves and there are sheep, this will never change, sheep will always have an innate need for someone to guide them, to tell them what to do - be them republican, democratic, green, libertarian, or independent - it is simply a fact of life. We must crack down on the wolves who abuse their sheep. It is that simple, until we are willing to fight for alpha status over the beta wolves who would not properly guide the pack, then we are doomed to fail regardless of party affiliations of the "bad alphas" that happen to be acting up. In the past it's been religious leaders striking the heart of freedom of association and religion and personal lives, today it is corruption and the abuse of money (generally on the part of liberals) No one is without mistakes, but make no mistake about it, if we continue to allow beta wolves to lead the people we will fail.

Dear EverCurious
Yes and no. The spirit of both the church and the state, are supposed to be in agreement.

Can you honestly tell me that both parties are equally promoting and respecting
both the Christian laws that check the church and the Constitutional laws that check the state.

When I approach Republicans and Conservatives who either have committed
to follow either or both the scriptural laws and authority and/or the Constitutional laws and authority,
I find people willing to receive rebuke and correction and work with me on points of agreement.

But when I approach my fellow Democrats, the partisan interests
come first before the other two standards.

The true answers would satisfy all. But I'm sorry to report my fellow
Constituents are so weak in knowledge of how to use the laws of both church and state
to empower themselves directly,
that they depend on the party for that collective authority and use that instead.

The party is supposed to serve as a means of organizing like minded leaders and followers,
and I do believe the spirit of their intent and the use of their platforms is good.

But even when people have abused both parties,
I find the members of the Republican party tend to respond to checks
by citing and agreeing on scriptural or on Constitutional authority, so they can correct their own.

I don't find enough of this among the Democrats
which is why they keep fighting using the political bullying techniques.

Trump uses those because he is fighting and campaigning as an independent
and not sticking to just Christian and Constitutional principles.

But Cruz and the other GOP leaders put the constitution before party,
though with Cruz I have seen him put Christian values before the Constitution
beyond what I believe was fully constitutional. even so I expect he
and Trump will continue to rebuke each other as they rebuild the party.

The Democrats have even farther to go to do the same.

The closest I have found among the Liberals is building
through the Greens on teaching independence and
through KPFT radio that has been used to teach
democratic governance and management. But because
those members don't respect Constitutional values, they
have curtailed their own efforts by the same divisive
politics criticized among Democratic and Republican elitists
taking over the groups. The same things happened among
the Greens and KPFT leadership and membership, but they
have no common principles to stand on to check and correct it.

I am currently proposing basic Constitutional education
on principles, process and ethics to provide an agreed standard
for all communities to use: www.ethics-commission.net

I will agree with you that all people practice the
democratic process anyway, as a natural response to conflict,
but I disagree with you that the Democrats and the Republicans
have the same level or proportion of corruption of leadership.

The Democratic corruption is worse because of the lack
of knowledge and ability of its members to rebuke and correct it.

The lack of understanding and empowerment by the spirit of the laws
is much more pronounced and debilitating in the Democrats.
Woefully lacking.

Any such abuses among the Republicans is by willfulness,
not by ignorance, and thus these people are generally
more able to address and correct their own. They acknowledge
when confronted because they know better.

The Democrats don't even know better.
And when shown they don't know how to go about changing
things. it's easier to keep going with the program.

If you ask me, I think the Greens will be the rescue for the Democrats.
I don't think answers will come except by drawing from the Greens
experience that the Democrats are sorely missing.

 

[emilynghiem]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

I guess this is like pointing out how the Democrats, the party of choice,
passed pushed enforced and keep defending the ACA mandates
that penalize free choice. Ironic, isn't it?

Unlike the mandates passed by Democrats who refuse to change them,
with minimum wage, nothing prevents a company from offering higher wages

You can still patronize and work for companies that pay more and
vote for higher wages that way.
You and companies that hire workers are NOT FINED
for paying higher wages than the minimum, you still have that choice.

But you cannot choose to pay the mandate or not.
You are required to either pay insurance, pay a religious health share
group, or pay or register for Obamacare or otherwise file for an exemption by hardship.

You no longer have a free choice to pay for health care
yourself or through charity, or you get penalized anyway.
You have to meet conditions set by federal govt
and no longer have the freedoms you had before to choose
other ways besides insurance or the other conditions approved by federal govt.

This brought to you by Obama and the Democrats
who voted for this in Congress. How's that for free choice???

Dubya Da Last Repug Prez

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

I guess this is like pointing out how the Democrats, the party of choice,
passed pushed enforced and keep defending the ACA mandates
that penalize free choice. Ironic, isn't it?

Unlike the mandates passed by Democrats who refuse to change them,
with minimum wage, nothing prevents a company from offering higher wages

You can still patronize and work for companies that pay more and
vote for higher wages that way.
You and companies that hire workers are NOT FINED
for paying higher wages than the minimum, you still have that choice.

But you cannot choose to pay the mandate or not.
You are required to either pay insurance, pay a religious health share
group, or pay or register for Obamacare or otherwise file for an exemption by hardship.

You no longer have a free choice to pay for health care
yourself or through charity, or you get penalized anyway.
You have to meet conditions set by federal govt
and no longer have the freedoms you had before to choose
other ways besides insurance or the other conditions approved by federal govt.

This brought to you by Obama and the Democrats
who voted for this in Congress. How's that for free choice???

Dubya Da Last Repug Prez

Yeah, nothing "prevents" McDonald's and Wal-Mart from offering higher wages....so why don't they? It's called greed.

You just blather on and on about a bunch of nothing, dummy.

 

[emilynghiem]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

I guess this is like pointing out how the Democrats, the party of choice,
passed pushed enforced and keep defending the ACA mandates
that penalize free choice. Ironic, isn't it?

Unlike the mandates passed by Democrats who refuse to change them,
with minimum wage, nothing prevents a company from offering higher wages

You can still patronize and work for companies that pay more and
vote for higher wages that way.
You and companies that hire workers are NOT FINED
for paying higher wages than the minimum, you still have that choice.

But you cannot choose to pay the mandate or not.
You are required to either pay insurance, pay a religious health share
group, or pay or register for Obamacare or otherwise file for an exemption by hardship.

You no longer have a free choice to pay for health care
yourself or through charity, or you get penalized anyway.
You have to meet conditions set by federal govt
and no longer have the freedoms you had before to choose
other ways besides insurance or the other conditions approved by federal govt.

This brought to you by Obama and the Democrats
who voted for this in Congress. How's that for free choice???

Dubya Da Last Repug Prez

Yeah, nothing "prevents" McDonald's and Wal-Mart from offering higher wages....so why don't they? It's called greed.

You just blather on and on about a bunch of nothing, dummy.

Dear Dubya Da Last Repug Prez

1. And nobody HAS to work for Walmart or McDonald's
you are not FORCED to work there
as people ARE forced to be under ACA mandates
and either register or pay for insurance or join a Christian group
or pay fines. Even to be exempt you have to register.

2. The Cities have their own authority to pass ordinances
requiring a minimum wage. What's wrong with that?
https://labor.ny.gov/formsdocs/factsheets/pdfs/p716.pdf

3. I have worked for Walmart and intend to return when I can.
The policy Walmart decided on was to set up a training
system where workers can work toward raising
the wages from 9.00 to 10.00 when they finish their training.

Companies can work out their own benefits policies
with their workers or you don't have to work there
if you don't like it.

4. Nothing stops you from setting up your own company
and you can pay workers 15.00 an hour

You can blame companies for greed,
or they can blame you for laziness.

If you are too lazy to set up your own company
and create your own way to pay workers 15.00 an hour
with benefits, how is that the fault of anyone else?

If you and others believe in that, I support you in doing it.
Here is a model:
Introducing HOUR Money
the Greens and workers unions teach people how to
organize business coops that pay each other 10.00
an hour using their own currency.

Nothing is stopping you and people who believe
in paying each other 15.00 an hour from doing so.

Go for it! I encourage you and hope you succeed.
If you need help with networking in your area,
I will be happy to help consult so you meet
the standards you believe in enforcing. Great!

 

[EverCurious]

Emily, I fear you missed my point. Allow me to try again:

You must consider the "spiritual" belief outside the traditional confines of religion in your search for solutions. It is not about "religion" is it about the need for leadership and the fact that their leaders effectively become their "god."

I need no god for I am an "alpha wolf." (oohhhh blaspheme!) Regardless, my people have faith in me, they believe me, and they will follow my suggestions with just as much "conviction" as a religious person might for their preacher. If I wanted, I could do all manner of things with my "minions" (as they have affectionately become to be known) I could send them out to protest this or that, and they would more than likely do it. As a /good/ alpha wolf I of course would never do that, for example, I encourage my minions to vote their hearts, and in fact, I've not once, ever, told them to vote for anyone. Thing is, if I did, 90% of them would, hell 40% of them are voting Trump simply because when Bernie fell though they defaulted to /my/ opinion, even without my asking them to. (I reject this, I hate it, I want my minions to be wolves not sheep.) Now think about it; how is it possible that a person can go from a socialist to a capitalist? It's clearly not /their/ belief system right? It is the power of an "alpha wolf" the power of "faith." I have to be /very/ careful what I say to my minions to avoid unduly influencing them, I have to constantly remind them to follow their hearts because if I don't they default to my opinions.

This is a psychological dynamic that takes place in politics when it comes to beliefs and parties. The Left might not believe in a recognized god, but their faith in their causes is on the same level as the religiously based beliefs - and when a leader comes along who can speak to that "belief" they gain "faith" - it is why my minions could be so easily made to go against their own beliefs. They were brought into my "pack" by my LGBT stance, and /now/ I can control their /economic/ beliefs with a few words even though those two aspects, LGBT support vs economics, are no where near each other on a relative spectrum. This confluence of power into a person, or a party, becomes in effect a mechanism for control - and it is almost identical to the "draw" and "control" of the republican party for religious folks.

I do not argue the merits of religion, merely point out the psychological effects of "faith" on /all/ people, and specifically the 'web' effect of that /faith/ in a person.

 

[francoHFW]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

So keep the Reaganist pander to the rich GOP policies of the last 30 years, dupe? Nutso....see sig. The GOP tax rates have raised taxes on on you for 30 years and cut them on the rich, along with your services and benefits. Trump: "I know, a tax cut for the rich!".

 

[owebo]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

Because republicans stand for jobs... While you fascists stand for your plantation.....

 

[LoneLaugher]

Of course you can. If you're making 60-80k per year you actually can't afford not to vote Democrat. You actually don't make enough to benefit from the GOP's tax breaks that only help people making more than 250k per year.

The Republican party couldn't give any less of a fuck about you. They hate the middle class and are hell bent on making sure they disappear entirely.

Again I don't see it your way in my wallet, again I left chicago in 2004 to South Carolina..

In Chicago area (Schaumburg to be specific) I had a condo when I got married and a $800 month apartment when we split up...

I was making then $42,000 a year salary with a company car.

Today I own my own little home on a lake in South Carolina .. Just a stones throw away from Clemson.

Do you really think I don't yearn for to be up in Chicago today after the Cubbies won the world series? The democrats ran me away because I knew I couldn't live comfortable paying outrages taxes.

You are not listening.

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

Because republicans stand for jobs... While you fascists stand for your plantation.....

Yeah, Repugs stand for jobs...just not a living wage. Good call, goober.

Funny how you bring up plantations...you Repugs want everyone except for the wealthiest 1% to be slaves on plantations. It's your peasant trailer trash duty to protect the wealth of your Repug feudal lords like Trump. After all, they are your intellectual and moral superiors and they know what's best for you. I understand, you have no choice in the matter.

 

[owebo]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

Because republicans stand for jobs... While you fascists stand for your plantation.....

Yeah, Repugs stand for jobs...just not a living wage. Good call, goober.

Funny how you bring up plantations...you Repugs want everyone except for the wealthiest 1% to be slaves on plantations. It's your peasant trailer trash duty to protect the wealth of your Repug feudal lords like Trump. After all, they are your intellectual and moral superiors and they know what's best for you. I understand, you have no choice in the matter.

Walk off the democrats plantation child....we tore the gates down decades ago....

 

[Wyatt earp]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

Because republicans stand for jobs... While you fascists stand for your plantation.....

Yeah, Repugs stand for jobs...just not a living wage. Good call, goober.

Funny how you bring up plantations...you Repugs want everyone except for the wealthiest 1% to be slaves on plantations. It's your peasant trailer trash duty to protect the wealth of your Repug feudal lords like Trump. After all, they are your intellectual and moral superiors and they know what's best for you. I understand, you have no choice in the matter.

What's a living wage to you fucker? $28 bucks an hour good enough for you or do you really want me to burn your ass and post from a head Hunter weab site like indeed?

Dude do you really want me to go there and burn your ass?

I am a chicago guy, I moved to south carolina in 2004...


Do you really want me to prove your talking out your ass and making shit up as you go?


Because I will, dare me fuck head.

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

Because republicans stand for jobs... While you fascists stand for your plantation.....

Yeah, Repugs stand for jobs...just not a living wage. Good call, goober.

Funny how you bring up plantations...you Repugs want everyone except for the wealthiest 1% to be slaves on plantations. It's your peasant trailer trash duty to protect the wealth of your Repug feudal lords like Trump. After all, they are your intellectual and moral superiors and they know what's best for you. I understand, you have no choice in the matter.

What's a living wage to you fucker? $28 bucks an hour good enough for you or do you really want me to burn your ass and post from a head Hunter weab site like indeed?

Dude do you really want me to go there and burn your ass?

I am a chicago guy, I moved to south carolina in 2004...


Do you really want me to prove your talking out your ass and making shit up as you go?


Because I will, dare me fuck head.

Repug peasant, I honestly have NO IDEA what you are trying to say!! LOL, what an incoherent rant!!

 

[Dubya Da Last Repug Prez]

I am making $28 bucks an hour $60,000 to $80,000 a year depending on OT@ 51 I am a blue collar guy..that's who I am , I have a shit load of industrial skills was in plastics for 30 years and changed over to the energy business not much different still an industrial maintenance guy just more bigger equipment.


I can't afford to vote democrat if I wanted to, sure I like liberal ideas of right to choose (don't care) gun control (yes I have a little glock 9mm) but something has to be done.. Smoke a joint once and a while or do a line with out fear of going to prision..

But I can't afford to vote democrat , being born and raised in the chicago area I seen first hand how destructive democrat policys are.


All democrats want to do is trickle up poor, trickle up misery.run away jobs , make the middle class as miserable as the poor.


Don't you get it, I know first hand you have to be making at least $500,000 a year to be a working man to vote for a democrat..

Otherwise you just fuck your self....in the pocket book.

Democrats unanimously support raising the minimum wage and Republicans unanimously oppose it. Democrats in the House introduced a bill last year or earlier this year to raise the minimum wage, and the Republican-controlled House would not even allow a vote on the bill. Standard operating procedures for the Repug-controlled House.

That should tell you everything you need to know about which party will do more for the working man.

Because republicans stand for jobs... While you fascists stand for your plantation.....

Yeah, Repugs stand for jobs...just not a living wage. Good call, goober.

Funny how you bring up plantations...you Repugs want everyone except for the wealthiest 1% to be slaves on plantations. It's your peasant trailer trash duty to protect the wealth of your Repug feudal lords like Trump. After all, they are your intellectual and moral superiors and they know what's best for you. I understand, you have no choice in the matter.

Walk off the democrats plantation child....we tore the gates down decades ago....

Did you say something, lightweight?? Need I remind you that you have no facts, no game, and no intellect??? I don't debate Rush Limbaugh cartoon boys who simply don't know shit from shinola, so kindly go fuck yourself.