Zone1 I am stepping away from Judaism

[ding]

I'm not the one who called scientific voices who disagree with me "propaganda." That was you.

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”

J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Freidman. Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Publishers. 1974 Pages 17 and 23.

 

[ding]

I'm not the one who called scientific voices who disagree with me "propaganda." That was you.

T.W. Sadler, Langman’s Medical Embryology, 10th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2006. p. 11.

“Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the femal gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote.”

 

[rosends]

You have a hard eye.

Care to repeat that in English?

 

[rosends]

The genetically distinct human being lives on.

And all the cells die.

 

[ding]

Care to repeat that in English?

Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”

 

[Meriweather]

And denying puppies belly rubs.
Very sad.

The difference is that one can be sad for a time over puppy belly rubs. The grief caused by ending an life can go on for decades, affecting more than one person. (Notice I said 'can', not 'will'.) I speak from experiences with very close friends.

 

[ding]

And all the cells die.

Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization… is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”

 

[rosends]

Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

Zone1 - I am stepping away from Judaism

Ding equated us with Hitler? I didn’t see that. just look at #996 (the most recent time). Apparently, if we believe that there is a 40 day window, we are like Hitler.

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[ding]

Zone1 - I am stepping away from Judaism

Ding equated us with Hitler? I didn’t see that. just look at #996 (the most recent time). Apparently, if we believe that there is a 40 day window, we are like Hitler.

www.usmessageboard.com

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.”

Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

 

[Donald H]

Yes. And that is all I will share with you.

That's fair.
And it's also fair I think to say that I have doubts.

You are no different from anyone else who has faith that your god played a part in your life. There can never be anything more, can there?

 

[ding]

There can never be anything more, can there?

You'll never know.

 

[rosends]

The difference is that one can be sad for a time over puppy belly rubs. The grief caused by ending an life can go on for decades, affecting more than one person. (Notice I said 'can', not 'will'.) I speak from experiences with very close friends.

You underestimate who powerful the sadness of no belly rubs. I know dogs personally in this regard.

 

[Meriweather]

And it's also fair I think to say that I have doubts.

As Jesus remarked, A person could return from the dead and some will continue to doubt.

You are no different from anyone else who has faith that your god played a part in your life. There can never be anything more, can there?

Grin. You have to rephrase what I said into something else you can grasp. That's okay, but from time-to-time I still recommend reconsidering.

 

[Meriweather]

You underestimate who powerful the sadness of no belly rubs. I know dogs personally in this regard.

Did the loss of one belly rub affect the puppy's entire life? Or was that sadness eclipsed by pleasure of the next belly rub? I've had two friends perpetually sad/grieved over abortions. I've never seen that in a dog over the loss of one belly rub as a puppy.

The irony is that both friends went on to have more children...which made their grief over the lost child worse, not better. Every birthday, they could not help but remember the birthdays that never were. Among other things.

I am merely pointing out that for some, abortion causes great (and lasting) spiritual pain. My presence helped--but it did not comfort. Again, an example of two is not data worthy. My point is that abortion deserves so much more than being a political issue.

 

[ding]

Did the loss of one belly rub affect the puppy's entire life? Or was that sadness eclipsed by pleasure of the next belly rub? I've had two friends perpetually sad/grieved over abortions. I've never seen that in a dog over the loss of one belly rub as a puppy.

The irony is that both friends went on to have more children...which made their grief over the lost child worse, not better. Every birthday, they could not help but remember the birthdays that never were. Among other things.

I am merely pointing out that for some, abortion causes great (and lasting) spiritual pain. My presence helped--but it did not comfort. Again, an example of two is not data worthy. My point is that abortion deserves so much more than being a political issue.

It's probably surprising to you that I believe abortion should be a misdemeanor. It was for me.

 

[Donald H]

As Jesus remarked, A person could return from the dead and some will continue to doubt.

He would have to perform a supernatural miracle before I would believe somebody could rise from being dead. My faith in modern science is as strong as your faith, and maybe even stronger.

Grin. You have to rephrase what I said into something else you can grasp.

I'm not aware of rephrasing anything you've said. I wouldn't want to do that.

That's okay, but from time-to-time I still recommend reconsidering.

You recommend that I reconsider my opinion that the god and jesus don't exist?

Why would I do that based on nothing more than somebody else's faith. Is there something more than faith to make me question my decision?

My childhood indoctrination into believing failed. Yours succeeded very well. As well as any other member on this board at least.

Without having that I think that even the worst tragedy could overtake me and I still wouldn't bend a knee to the supernatural of religions.

 

[ding]

Without having that I think that even the worst tragedy could overtake me and I still wouldn't bend a knee to the supernatural of religions.

Maybe your mistake is thinking religions are God. Whether you realize it or not God is pruning you. He's pruning everyone. That you can't recognize it is not God's fault.

 

[rosends]

Did the loss of one belly rub affect the puppy's entire life? Or was that sadness eclipsed by pleasure of the next belly rub? I've had two friends perpetually sad/grieved over abortions. I've never seen that in a dog over the loss of one belly rub as a puppy.

then you are missing out.

My point is that abortion deserves so much more than being a political issue.

since it isn't a political issue for me, I can't comment on that.

 

[Donald H]

Maybe your mistake is thinking religions are God. Whether you realize it or not God is pruning you. He's pruning everyone. That you can't recognize it is not God's fault.

He had his chance to 'prune' me when I was an innocent child who would accept his bullshit, based on faith alone.

Meri hints at there's something stronger than faith. Any idea what she's talking about?

What's a boy to do when they can't even make up their minds on the big fish story being literally true or just more bullsh-t?

A third edition housecleaning is sorely needed.

And people like you need to stop lying about eggs and cum not being alive and having identifiable DNA.

It's people like you that are responsible for getting Mary accidentally knocked up.

 

[ding]

He had his chance to 'prune' me when I was an innocent child who would accept his bullshit, based on faith alone.

Meri hints at there's something stronger than faith. Any idea what she's talking about?

What's a boy to do when they can't even make up their minds on the big fish story being literally true or just more bullsh-t?

A third edition housecleaning is sorely needed.

And people like you need to stop lying about eggs and cum not being alive and having identifiable DNA.

Apparently you didn't hear me. You have been pruned by God, you are being pruned by God and you will continue to be pruned by God until you die. That you can't recognize it, isn't God's fault. Think of the universe as a single organism that you are a part of.