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[Lisa558]

Not answering for Ding...
...Again simply something to consider...

Can a human being exist without the first forty days of cellular growth? I'm noting something wonderful is happening in human creation those first 40 days. A life is being refused existence when abortion occurs.

Yes, that is true….and sad. But the 40-day limit is also based on compassion so that the termination, if it is to occur, happens in the zygote stage before it can feel pain.

How tragic that an embryo, just weeks away from birth and the start of a life of toys, and school, and friends, and first kisses, and high school activities, and then the excitement of college, one’s first apartment, and a career, and perhaps marriage, and children, and grandchildren, and enjoyable travel, and relaxing days at the beach, and beautiful music, etc., is not only robbed of all that - but dies in pain.

At the very least, we can limit the term to where pain isn’t felt or processed.

 

[Lisa558]

Zygote is a term for a newly conceived life after the sperm and the egg cell meet but before the embryo begins to divide.

From Landrum B. Shettles “Rites of Life: The Scientific Evidence for Life Before Birth” Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1983 p 40

The difference is abortion ends a human life. That should be acknowledged because that's what it does.

According to Jewish law, it ends a potential human life - and thus must be done in the first 40 days.

 

[Meriweather]

Yes, that is true….and sad. But the 40-day limit is also based on compassion so that the termination, if it is to occur, happens in the zygote stage before it can feel pain.

How tragic that an embryo, just weeks away from birth and the start of a life of toys, and school, and friends, and first kisses, and high school activities, and then the excitement of college, one’s first apartment, and a career, and perhaps marriage, and children, and grandchildren, and enjoyable travel, and relaxing days at the beach, and beautiful music, etc., is not only robbed of all that - but dies in pain.

At the very least, we can limit the term to where pain isn’t felt or processed.

For every complex problem, there's a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. After every solution, there's a new problem or new problems.

You shall not kill. Unless the human life has only grown for forty days? ... As someone who has been close to women who have had abortions, there are problems and grief (decades, life-long even) that come with this. I also understand that some can go through an abortion(s) without a second thought.

Someone close to me is a Dispatcher. Among them, one of the very worst calls to field is a dead baby (sudden infant death). Death of the young affects a wider circle than only the mother.

Earlier, someone noted in a post that abortion is too great to be taken on as a political issue. One of my relatives was extremely happy most of her life for choosing to remain a virgin over having a husband and children. However...the last twenty years of her life she mourned this decision. All the family loved her dearly, but even all of us were not enough for her overcome this regret. We were close...but we weren't her children.

The hurt of abortion to the new life, the mother, the family, even the outliers (like me) seems like it is never addressed. In fact, it seems that it is just waved away as if it were nothing but a political issue.

 

[rosends]

For every complex problem, there's a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. After every solution, there's a new problem or new problems.

You shall not kill. Unless the human life has only grown for forty days? ... As someone who has been close to women who have had abortions, there are problems and grief (decades, life-long even) that come with this. I also understand that some can go through an abortion(s) without a second thought.

Someone close to me is a Dispatcher. Among them, one of the very worst calls to field is a dead baby (sudden infant death). Death of the young affects a wider circle than only the mother.

Earlier, someone noted in a post that abortion is too great to be taken on as a political issue. One of my relatives was extremely happy most of her life for choosing to remain a virgin over having a husband and children. However...the last twenty years of her life she mourned this decision. All the family loved her dearly, but even all of us were not enough for her overcome this regret. We were close...but we weren't her children.

The hurt of abortion to the new life, the mother, the family, even the outliers (like me) seems like it is never addressed. In fact, it seems that it is just waved away as if it were nothing but a political issue.

Just to point out - the Hebrew reads "don't murder" not "kill."

 

[ding]

According to Jewish law, it ends a potential human life - and thus must be done in the first 40 days.

According to empirical scientific evidence it ends a living human life.

Jewish law can be changed.

 

[ding]

Just to point out - the Hebrew reads "don't murder" not "kill."

Is murder the intentional ending of a human life without just cause?

Of course according to you, abortion doesn't even kill, right?

 

[rosends]

Is murder the intentional ending of a human life without just cause?

Of course according to you, abortion doesn't even kill, right?

Actually murder is the unlawful or extra judicial taking of a life. Like killing cells, right? How's the carpool lane?

 

[rosends]

Jewish law can be changed.

Said the person ignorant of Jewish Law.

 

[ding]

Actually murder is the unlawful or extra judicial taking of a life. Like killing cells, right? How's the carpool lane?

You might want to investigate some of the pictures of those "clumps of cells."

 

[ding]

Said the person ignorant of Jewish Law.

So Jewish law has never been changed? Oy Vey!

 

[rosends]

You might want to investigate some of the pictures of those "clumps of cells."

Ok

 

[ding]

Like killing cells, right?

If you kill someone, all of their cells die. Same thing happens when you kill a human life in the womb.

 

[rosends]

So Jewish law has never been changed? Oy Vey!

Again, your ignorance is remarkable as it relates to Jewish law and why say "oy vey"? Do you generally use Yiddish?

 

[Meriweather]

Just to point out - the Hebrew reads "don't murder" not "kill."

Yes, but I did not want to bring 'murder' into the discussion. In fact 'my' atheist Jew (he who taught me so much about the Old Testament) told me that even above 'kill' and 'murder' the better picture is someone lying hidden in wait to ambush someone who was unaware. Ambushing an embryo is just too sad. So is murder.

 

[rosends]

If you kill someone, all of their cells die. Same thing happens when you kill a human life in the womb.

And if you take out an appendix.

 

[ding]

Ok
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Is that what you think is representative of abortions?

I think I'm beginning to see your problem here. You only look at the data that supports you and dismiss everything else.

 

[rosends]

Yes, but I did not want to bring 'murder' into the discussion. In fact 'my' atheist Jew (he who taught me so much about the Old Testament) told me that even above 'kill' and 'murder' the better picture is someone lying hidden in wait to ambush someone who was unaware. Ambushing an embryo is just too sad. So is murder.

And denying puppies belly rubs.
Very sad.

 

[ding]

And if you take out an appendix.

The genetically distinct human being lives on.

 

[ding]

And denying puppies belly rubs.
Very sad.

You have a hard eye.

 

[rosends]

Is that what you think is representative of abortions?

I think I'm beginning to see your problem here. You only look at the data that supports you and dismiss everything else.

I'm not the one who called scientific voices who disagree with me "propaganda." That was you.