Zone1 I am stepping away from Judaism

[ding]

And people like you need to stop lying about eggs and cum being alive and having identifiable DNA.

It's always nice when scientifically illiterate people gunk up science.

 

[Meriweather]

It's probably surprising to you that I believe abortion should be a misdemeanor. It was for me.

My belief is that the government's formal position should be against taking any innocent life. As for life in the womb, the government position should that it has no authority to bring about any criminal action, but that the government, as always, is against taking any innocent life. In other words, the decision to take an innocent life is solely on the shoulders of the woman and the medical professional who agrees to perform the procedure. The government can take the position that it would make it a misdemeanor to the medical professional to perform the procedure after six weeks unless the physical life of the mother was in danger.

 

[Meriweather]

then you are missing out.

So you know a puppy who was depressed his entire life because he missed one belly rub as a puppy. Yes, I did miss out on that and I've know many, many dogs.

 

[Meriweather]

My childhood indoctrination into believing failed. Yours succeeded very well. As well as any other member on this board at least.

The difference: I was never "indoctrinated". I was testing and researching God while still a toddler. While you were sitting down being indoctrinated (probably bored out of your mind), I was out seeking in every way possible. I was having fun.

It appears you are still waiting for some kind of miracle to drop into your lap. Don't hold your breath as that is precisely like sitting there waiting for a cherry tree to grow out of your ears because you swallowed a pit.

 

[Donald H]

The difference: I was never "indoctrinated". I was testing and researching God while still a toddler. While you were sitting down being indoctrinated (probably bored out of your mind), I was out seeking in every way possible. I was having fun.

I didn't spend sufficient time in the indoctrination process. If I had then they almost certainly wouldn't have failed. But I can say that I wasn't bored. I can't recall being scared, or any other feelings that I can remember.

It appears you are still waiting for some kind of miracle to drop into your lap.

As we've discussed earlier today, I'm not expecting a miracle and I wouldn't be easily convinced of something being a miracle, that isn't. Miracles don't happen my friend, but if they did then we would be hearing about them continuously, as opposed to Christians feeling embarrassment on suggesting a miracle.
No dead men walking, no getting pregnant off a toilet seat or a ghost!.

Don't hold your breath as that is precisely like sitting there waiting for a cherry tree to grow out of your ears because you swallowed a pit.

Ding being around is giving you courage to be rude with me. You can be yourself without him you know. Express your anger without fear.

I can only say that you lack the will to be obnoxious when you're thinking for yourself. And that leads me to believing that you certainly are still asking questions of yourself on reconsidering your beliefs on the god.

Fwiw, the rest of them are not bright enough to question their faith and so I find you worthy of my time and efforts.

 

[BreezeWood]

too bad the desert religions are so concerned w/ human life when that life is purposefully destroying all other life and habitat on planet earth.

- as they claim they are heavenly while persecuting their sabbath when jesus told them to keep it holy.

 

[Meriweather]

I can only say that you lack the will to be obnoxious when you're thinking for yourself. And that leads me to believing that you certainly are still asking questions of yourself on reconsidering your beliefs on the god.

Sigh. I was not being obnoxious, I was teasing you! Any of my siblings would have picked up on it when they read the comment about cherry trees, and laughing at my toddler self. Further, look at you telling me what I am "really" doing. No, I am not reconsidering. There is nothing to reconsider. Learning, exploring the vast beyond continues. If I was "reconsidering" I would give up on the exploration. By the way, people keep imagining my imagining my emotions, and no one has been right yet. A discussion forum is thought provoking, it's not an emotional release--at least not for me. In between posting I am usually doing something--water colors, cleaning out drawers and cupboards, photography, genealogy, and religious research and study.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. Bezukhov lxviii. : "Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: Isaiah 40:15 KJV. bzkhv 241201 Vcibaw00068

ii. Cougarbear lxvix. to 68. : I say, the U.S. was formed to house part of Israel to set up His Church again to restore the fulness of the gospel and restore true doctrine to the world. cgrbr 241201 Scibaw00069

iii. ding mxcvii. to 1096. : Whether you realize it or not God is pruning you. He's pruning everyone. dvng 241201 Siasaf01097

iv. Cougarbear v. to 4. : The reason that the colonies began to exist and eventually come together as a nation was for one reason only, to have a place where there was freedom of religion. That was the most important reason for God to inspire our Constitution in such a way that the Lord could come and call a prophet of God again to open up the last days and restore His Church again. Even then, it was a struggle. Imagine how impossible it would have been to establish a new Church patterned after the original Church Jesus built 2,000 years ago in any other country at that time. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is here again started by the heavens opening up to Joseph Smith in 1820 until the Church was formally by law constituted in 1830.

As far as the struggles you mentioned, slavery began before 1776. It took a long time to end slavery and 360,000 lives of white Americans to do it.

Plenty enough for equaling the reparations some want. Yes, people have always treated people different from themselves badly. Still goes on today.

Now, there is the attack on White people from the Left. Even those leftist who are White do it to themselves. They are called Democrats.

Democrats have always been racist and can't seem to get it out of their blood no matter what the color of their skin is.

Too bad that we've even turned away from the dream of MLK as well.

We are back to judging people based on their skin color and not the content of their character.

This coincides with the wokeness that has attacked Christians who reject the new Sodom and Gomorrah of the West. cgrbr 230530 Swwrao00005

v. Meriweather mxciii. to 1092. : As Jesus remarked, A person could return from the dead and some will continue to doubt. mrwthr 241201 Siasaf01093

vi. Donald H mxcvi : Without having that I think that even the worst tragedy could overtake me and I still wouldn't bend a knee to the supernatural of religions. #dnldh 241201 Viasaf01096

vii. ding mxcvii. to 1096. : Whether you realize it or not God is pruning you. He's pruning everyone. That you can't recognize it is not God's fault. dvng 241201 Siasaf01097

viii. Donald H mxcix to. 1097: He had his chance to 'prune' me when I was an innocent child who would accept his bullshit, based on faith alone. dnldh 241201 Viasaf01099

ix. ding mc to 1099. : Apparently you didn't hear me. You have been pruned by God, you are being pruned by God and you will continue to be pruned by God until you die. That you can't recognize it, isn't God's fault. dvng 241201 Siasaf 01100

x. Meriweather mcvii. to 1105. : In between posting I am usually doing something--water colors, cleaning out drawers and cupboards, photography, genealogy, and religious research and study. mrwthr 241201 Siasaf01107

xi. rosends mxx. to 1019 St Ding : is that the new term for "anyone who disagrees with you"? rsnds 241201 Siasaf01020

xii. NotfooledbyW mcviii. to civaw00069: To CougarBear: I have no reason to believe that which is written in paragraph ii. above, that “the U.S. was formed to house part of Israel to set up His Church again to restore the fulness of the gospel and restore true doctrine to the world” is TRUE DOCTRINE.

To Saint Ding, I have no reason to believe paragraphs iii. vii. and ix. were written by a soul that is closer to a super immaculate source of TRUTH about what it means to being human in the natural world than myself or Donald H, or Rosends or Bezukhov or Thomases Jefferson and Paine.

I have no reason to believe that whatever “TRUTH” Saint Meriweather finds in her time researching Catholic dogma and the church’s combat against original sin sand eternal salvation, will have on human progress and the hope for betterment of individual experience in a harsh and cruel, yet beautiful and exciting world.

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[BreezeWood]

Sigh. I was not being obnoxious, I was teasing you!

to each their own - one as the other ... to know is to behold.

 

[Lisa558]

Sigh. I was not being obnoxious, I was teasing you! Any of my siblings would have picked up on it when they read the comment about cherry trees, and laughing at my toddler self. Further, look at you telling me what I am "really" doing. No, I am not reconsidering. There is nothing to reconsider. Learning, exploring the vast beyond continues. If I was "reconsidering" I would give up on the exploration. By the way, people keep imagining my imagining my emotions, and no one has been right yet. A discussion forum is thought provoking, it's not an emotional release--at least not for me. In between posting I am usually doing something--water colors, cleaning out drawers and cupboards, photography, genealogy, and religious research and study.

To Donald H, to “reconsider your position” (as he says you should do) is to reconsider it and decide you agree with him. Sounds like an intolerant leftist to me - his way or the highway.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. ding mxcvii. to 1096. : Maybe your mistake is thinking religions are God. Whether you realize it or not God is pruning you. He's pruning everyone. That you can't recognize it is not God's fault. dvng 241201 Siasaf01097

ii. yidnar ii. to OP 1. MAGA tribal christian authoritarian victim of the godless left says: the left is starting to ramp up attacks on those who represent the biggest obstacle to their overturning of individual rights .. Christians .. ydnr 240330 Scibaw00002

iii. NotfooledbyW mcxi. to 1097 : Tell us, Saint Ding since you know all there is to know about the Biblical World’s God of Abraham and his divine pruning skills; …… is Saint Yidnar in paragraph ii. above “pruned” to godly perfection as well as your blessed and godly self can know? nfbw 241202 Viasaf01111

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. ding mxcvii. to 1096. : Maybe your mistake is thinking religions are God. Whether you realize it or not God is pruning you. He's pruning everyone. That you can't recognize it is not God's fault. dvng 241201 Siasaf01097

ii. Lisa558 mcx. to 1107. a well pruned white Christian victim of the intolerant left says: To Donald H, to “reconsider your position” (as he says you should do) is to reconsider it and decide you agree with him. Sounds like an intolerant leftist to me - his way or the highway. lvsvN 241202 Siasaf01110

iii. NotfooledbyW mcxii to 1097: Tell us, Saint Ding since you know all there is to know about the Biblical World’s God of Abraham and his divine pruning skills; …… is Saint Lisa.558 in paragraph ii. above “pruned” to godly perfection as well as your blessed and godly self can know? nfbw 241202 Viasaf01112

 

[Meriweather]

To Donald H, to “reconsider your position” (as he says you should do) is to reconsider it and decide you agree with him. Sounds like an intolerant leftist to me - his way or the highway.

He condescendingly believes I was "indoctrinated" (or brainwashed) into believing--i.e., accepting a set of beliefs uncritically, without testing them. Whenever someone attaches that label to me, I can't help but bursting in laughter, shaking my head--and realizing they will never have any awareness of who I am, never comprehend the journey, the study, the research, the testing, the assessing of both experiences and written material.

The problem with being critical is that it is similar to a rock slide where one can assume that way is blocked. For a number of years I had that difficulty with the Old Testament. I was puzzled by it because it did not align with what I had learned of God (some of it from the Old Testament) and my own experience of God. I had the good fortune to meet an atheist Jew whose first language was Hebrew. That language and his teaching parted that rock slide and opened up an understanding as broad as the sky--and also a side interest in etymology, plus a better understanding of the New Testament.

Imagine, an atheist Jew and a Catholic spending years on this and in the end, he remained an atheist Jews and I was still a faithful Catholic! Horizons are like that because there is so much to explore and investigate. I often compare the whole of it to a puzzle, where each one of us holds a piece that will one day complete the entire story/picture and thus understanding for all becomes complete as well. Anticipation! In the meantime, comes the awareness we all hold a piece--and therefore should be very cautious before (if ever) telling anyone to abandon the piece(s) they hold.

 

[Lisa558]

He condescendingly believes I was "indoctrinated" (or brainwashed) into believing--i.e., accepting a set of beliefs uncritically, without testing them. Whenever someone attaches that label to me, I can't help but bursting in laughter, shaking my head--and realizing they will never have any awareness of who I am, never comprehend the journey, the study, the research, the testing, the assessing of both experiences and written material.

The problem with being critical is that it is similar to a rock slide where one can assume that way is blocked. For a number of years I had that difficulty with the Old Testament. I was puzzled by it because it did not align with what I had learned of God (some of it from the Old Testament) and my own experience of God. I had the good fortune to meet an atheist Jew whose first language was Hebrew. That language and his teaching parted that rock slide and opened up an understanding as broad as the sky--and also a side interest in etymology, plus a better understanding of the New Testament.

Imagine, an atheist Jew and a Catholic spending years on this and in the end, he remained an atheist Jews and I was still a faithful Catholic! Horizons are like that because there is so much to explore and investigate. I often compare the whole of it to a puzzle, where each one of us holds a piece that will one day complete the entire story/picture and thus understanding for all becomes complete as well. Anticipation! In the meantime, comes the awareness we all hold a piece--and therefore should be very cautious before (if ever) telling anyone to abandon the piece(s) they hold.

A point in particular that I’d like to draw out: one can indeed be a Jew, and a rather observant one at that, and still be an atheist. I know families who keep a strictly kosher home, go to Shabbat services (almost weekly), and do not believe in - or perhaps question the existence of - Gd. To them, it is our heritage and community which ties them to the Jewish people, and they have a strong identity as a Jew.

On the flip side, can one be considered a Catholic and not believe in Jesus? My sense is that one cannot, but I’m not certain.

 

[Meriweather]

A point in particular that I’d like to draw out: one can indeed be a Jew, and a rather observant one at that, and still be an atheist. I know families who keep a strictly kosher home, go to Shabbat services (almost weekly), and do not believe in - or perhaps question the existence of - Gd. To them, it is our heritage and community which ties them to the Jewish people, and they have a strong identity as a Jew.

On the flip side, can one be considered a Catholic and not believe in Jesus? My sense is that one cannot, but I’m not certain.

The core belief of the Catholic faith is there is One God, three inseparable persons, Father (Creator); Son (Word); and Holy Spirit. With God, His Word can go forth on its own and so can His Spirit. In these ways His existence is different and far greater than any human person. (We have to be present to speak our word; we can say, "I'll be with you in spirit" but our spirit remains within us.)

My grandfather and husband are both atheists; both have been in church on occasion. Neither are Catholic. I have heard former Catholics say they are Catholic atheists--but this was more in jest. For example, there is a common saying, "Once a Catholic always a Catholic, so now that they are atheists, they are Catholic atheists! (Who usually don't attend church.) Then there is the alternate view of, they may have been baptized Catholic, but now their atheism includes having no belief in Catholicism.

The best answer to your question probably is, not in the same way a Jew who is atheist is viewed.

 

[Donald H]

Sigh. I was not being obnoxious, I was teasing you! Any of my siblings would have picked up on it when they read the comment about cherry trees, and laughing at my toddler self. Further, look at you telling me what I am "really" doing. No, I am not reconsidering. There is nothing to reconsider. Learning, exploring the vast beyond continues. If I was "reconsidering" I would give up on the exploration. By the way, people keep imagining my imagining my emotions, and no one has been right yet. A discussion forum is thought provoking, it's not an emotional release--at least not for me. In between posting I am usually doing something--water colors, cleaning out drawers and cupboards, photography, genealogy, and religious research and study.

I got your point about the 'cherry tree'. It was your way of comparing and demeaning my childhood compared to yours. Now that you bring the cherry tree up again, I've paid closer attention to it and understand your purpose. It's out of character for you. Hence, Ding being close by.

I'm perceiving that you of all the other Christians on this board, are still intelligent enough to continue to ask questions on the matter of the god being real. That's the attraction you bring for me, and Ding too but a lesser amount.

Take that as meaning no more than what I've said, as my feelings on your polite behaviour. Not something to do with me imagining your emotions.
I'm pleased to hear that you are still learning and exploring the vast beyond. That's exactly what I hope you will do.

 

[Donald H]

The difference: I was never "indoctrinated". I was testing and researching God while still a toddler.

May I ask you who introduced you to god, and at what age?

Or was it more like god just coming into your toddler's mind because of some outside influence other than your parents?

 

[Donald H]

He condescendingly believes I was "indoctrinated" (or brainwashed) into believing--i.e., accepting a set of beliefs uncritically, without testing them.

Not at all true! You were every bit as critical as you toddler mind could have been, on what you were told. I've always commended your ability to think and reason.

Whenever someone attaches that label to me, I can't help but bursting in laughter, shaking my head--and realizing they will never have any awareness of who I am, never comprehend the journey, the study, the research, the testing, the assessing of both experiences and written material.

You've suggested that you became a believer at a very young age. As a 'toddler', you suggest that you knew your god. Now we all know something more about you.

The problem with being critical is that it is similar to a rock slide where one can assume that way is blocked. For a number of years I had that difficulty with the Old Testament. I was puzzled by it because it did not align with what I had learned of God (some of it from the Old Testament) and my own experience of God. I had the good fortune to meet an atheist Jew whose first language was Hebrew. That language and his teaching parted that rock slide and opened up an understanding as broad as the sky--and also a side interest in etymology, plus a better understanding of the New Testament.

Imagine, an atheist Jew and a Catholic spending years on this and in the end, he remained an atheist Jews and I was still a faithful Catholic! Horizons are like that because there is so much to explore and investigate. I often compare the whole of it to a puzzle, where each one of us holds a piece that will one day complete the entire story/picture and thus understanding for all becomes complete as well. Anticipation! In the meantime, comes the awareness we all hold a piece--and therefore should be very cautious before (if ever) telling anyone to abandon the piece(s) they hold.

I think you should expect to be able to hold all the pieces to the puzzle. Doesn't anybody understand completely? I think that if you don't then there's little hope for anyone else on this board understanding!

So yes, I agree that it's a puzzle. The Catholic church has only added to the confusion you're facing, by introducing new interpretations of the bibles, that lack unanimous agreement among Catholics themselves.

There has to be a wise bible scholar somewhere who can clarify all the truths and dispense with all the debating and misunderstanding.

And so, I once again return to the 'big fish' story, but it could be any bible story. Who are you to say that your version is correct when the majority of Catholics through the ages agree on it being a literally true story?

In my opinion my friend, you were as close to the truth as a toddler as you will ever be.

I hold all the pieces to your puzzle! I want to share what I know!

 

[hobelim]

So everyone should convert to Judaism?

What other people do for their religious expressions of faith is not my business. I could'nt care less whatever people do with what they call faith. That being said, you are openly and brazenly an idolator by choice. I have no problem with you throwing your life in the trash seeking eternal life by doing exactly what God has forbidden under penalty of death. You claiming that you are not an idolator and that your religious practice of seeking spiritual life from bread made by human hands does not result in death, contradicts every bible written in every language on this planet.

Your lie requires correction lest you deceive someone sincerely trying to understand and find God

Think of it as a public service announcement.

Does that help?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. jackflash lxx to OP i. says that his “Maker” is ready to pull his flock: out of this current existence. I am wired to the hilt about being cleared from this existence like this place we are stuck in @ current literally appears to me as going ever more to hell by the day. Pres. Trump & his administration 'may' be the last call before the believers are mercifully evacuated. jckflsh 241202 Scibaw00070

ii. ding mc to 1099. : Apparently you didn't hear me. You have been pruned by God, you are being pruned by God and you will continue to be pruned by God until you die. dvng 241201 Siasaf 01100

Iii. NotfooledbyW mcxx: I have a request for Saint Ding regarding his fellow in the MAGA Sainthood, (St, Jackflash) who says he is eager to float up into the sky and meet his Maker’ real soon.

Sounds to me like St. Jackflash is well pruned and ready to be evacuated from the earthly realm ASAP.

So St. Ding could do western liberal democracy a huge favor by speaking to the Pruner in Chief to get the Rapture over with before Trump can be inaugurated in January. That will take Trump Vance and his six Catholics on the Supreme Court, Speaker Johnson, Tommy Tubberville and 2/3 of Republicans in Congress and State Houses across Americas to be with their Lord and Savior in eternal life.

And Putin won’t have any Americans pulling for him to destroy western liberal democracy any more.

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