Zone1 I am stepping away from Judaism

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Ding equated us with Hitler? I didn’t see that.

just look at #996 (the most recent time). Apparently, if we believe that there is a 40 day window, we are like Hitler.

 

[ding]

Feel free to hitch your wagon to people who break rules.

Back in slave times there were people who thought slavery was wrong. People like you would have called them rule breakers. I call them truth seekers.

Abortion is literally designed to end the life of a human being in the womb. That's what it is. My only involvement here is to make people like you acknowledge what abortion is designed to do.

 

[rosends]

I didn’t establish the 40-day window. I am telling you that Judaism established that limit, for the sake of compassion.

and because the fetus is still not a viable and independent life. It is considered a limb of the mother.

 

[rosends]

Back in slave times there were people who thought slavery was wrong. People like you would have called them rule breakers. I call them truth seekers.

Abortion is literally designed to end the life of a human being in the womb. That's what it is.

actually, in slave times, I as a Jew would specifically have been against slavery because Judaism doesn't look kindly on it. (same set of laws that have an position on abortion).

Abortion is literally designed to abort a fetus. That's what it is.

 

[ding]

Jews are.

Because they know they are ending a human life. Why don't you?

 

[Lisa558]

No. It's that people like you will do anything to deny that human life begins at conception.

Ah, now that is the question. We have some liberals who would insist that there is no life until the head pokes out, and other people who say at conception.

I like Judaism’s take at 40 days’ limit. That is close to the six-week limit in Florida.

Figure: by the time you miss your period, you’re about 2 weeks pregnant. Delay for another week hoping you’re just late, and if no period, then you’re at three weeks. You still have three weeks to book and do the deed.

 

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Because they know they are ending a human life. Why don't you?

Um, no. When a life ends, Jews are sad. When a potential life is lost, Jews are sad. But we only sit shiva in one of those cases. Guess why.

oh yeah...your explanation will invoke Hitler again.

 

[ding]

and because the fetus is still not a viable and independent life. It is considered a limb of the mother.

Viability is a different argument. Right now I'm just trying to get you to acknowledge what the science says which is at conception a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. That is reality. That is the science.

And that abortion is designed to end that human life. Own it. Stop denying reality. Confront reality.

 

[ding]

Um, no. When a life ends, Jews are sad. When a potential life is lost, Jews are sad. But we only sit shiva in one of those cases. Guess why.

oh yeah...your explanation will invoke Hitler again.

It's not a potential life. It is literally alive and it is literally a human being. That's the science.

You deny the science because you can't face the reality of it.

 

[rosends]

Viability is a different argument. Right now I'm just trying to get you to acknowledge what the science says which is at conception a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. That is reality. That is the science.

a distinct genetic construct is not the same as a human being. You would know this if you tried to answer any of the questions I have asked. But you won't because they undermine your position.

And that abortion is designed to end that human life. Own it. Stop denying reality. Confront reality.

To end the existence of the fetus. Stop stamping your feet and trying to make your feelings into some version of reality. Wake up.

 

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It's not a potential life. It is literally alive and it is literally a human being. That's the science.

It is alive life a limb is alive. It is an extension of the mother. That's Jewish law.

You deny the science because you can't face the reality of it.

I cited scientists but I note you didn't deal with that. I guess countering facts are not important to you.

 

[Lisa558]

Read what I wrote. Your dehumanization of human life is the same as Hitler's dehumanization of human life.

Not all Jews - orthodox or otherwise - dehumanize human life like you do.

Jews value life above all other laws. Even a Hasid will drive someone to the hospital on Shabbos, or call 911, if someone’s life is at stake. If your health is suck that fasting on Yom Kippur is risky, then you eat. Life supersedes all else.

 

[Lisa558]

a distinct genetic construct is not the same as a human being. You would know this if you tried to answer any of the questions I have asked. But you won't because they undermine your position.

To end the existence of the fetus. Stop stamping your feet and trying to make your feelings into some version of reality. Wake up.

40 days, according to Jewish law, unless the life of the mother is at risk.

 

[ding]

Ah, now that is the question. We have some liberals who would insist that there is no life until the head pokes out, and other people who say at conception.

I like Judaism’s take at 40 days’ limit. That is close to the six-week limit in Florida.

Figure: by the time you miss your period, you’re about 2 weeks pregnant. Delay for another week hoping you’re just late, and if no period, then you’re at three weeks. You still have three weeks to book and do the deed.

I'm not even discussing that. I'm only trying to get people to acknowledge what the science says and what abortion is designed to do. If they say to me that they know abortion is ending a human life and they are fine with that, then I'd be fine with them being fine.

But I'm not going to tolerate an argument that says abortion isn't ending a human life. I'm not going to accept people dehumanizing those lives.

 

[ding]

a distinct genetic construct is not the same as a human being. You would know this if you tried to answer any of the questions I have asked. But you won't because they undermine your position.

To end the existence of the fetus. Stop stamping your feet and trying to make your feelings into some version of reality. Wake up.

Look at the mental masturbations you are doing to avoid speaking the truth.

Abortion ends human lives. That's what abortion is. Apparently you can't support abortion unless it is removing unwanted tissue.

You're halfway to becoming a monster.

 

[ding]

To end the existence of the fetus. Stop stamping your feet and trying to make your feelings into some version of reality. Wake up.

A human life. Abortion is designed to end the life of a human being. Own it.

 

[rosends]

Look at the mental masturbations you are doing to avoid speaking the truth.

Abortion ends human lives. That's what abortion is. Apparently you can't support abortion unless it is removing unwanted tissue.

You're halfway to becoming a monster.

and you are all the way there, equating people with Hitler, calling all Orthodox Jews morons and political animals.

 

[rosends]

A human life. Abortion is designed to end the life of a human being. Own it.

saying the same thing over and over doesn't change reality. Deal with it.

 

[ding]

I cited scientists but I note you didn't deal with that.

You quoted propagandists.

 

[rosends]

You quoted propagandists.

is that the new term for "anyone who disagrees with you"?