I admit i was wrong.

[BULLDOG]

I at one time thought the supreme court was right in Citizens United by letting billionaire super pacs run wild. I now see how that has allowed a few bilionaires to control the political system and buy puppets like rubio to do what they are told. 2016 is the year we can tell the rubio feces eaters to GO TO HELL.


And stay there

I usually disagree with most of what you post, but in this case, I commend your integrity in admitting you were wrong.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Citizen united was a huge fucking mistake as it allows the super rich to buy the entire process. It appears that the rich this election wants tiny government that deregulates everything so they can take the workers to the fucking cleaners.

1890's all over again.

 

[BULLDOG]

I at one time thought the supreme court was right in Citizens United by letting billionaire super pacs run wild. I now see how that has allowed a few bilionaires to control the political system and buy puppets like rubio to do what they are told. 2016 is the year we can tell the rubio feces eaters to GO TO HELL.


And stay there

I do have one question. If your personal political favorite wasn't hurt by Citizens United, would you have ever even considered that that ruling was wrong?

 

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Citizen's United wiped out 100 years of precedence.

CRS Annotated Constitution

[...]
Another chapter was begun in 1907 when Congress passed the Tillman Act, prohibiting national banks and corporations from making contributions in federal elections.333The Corrupt Practices Act, first enacted in 1910 and replaced by another law in 1925, extended federal regulation of campaign contributions and expenditures in federal elections334 and other acts have similarly provided other regulations.335
[...]

CRS/LII Annotated Constitution Article I

Next time, try reading the decision before commenting on it:

I have. I've read & posted these In the past. That's why Citizen's United has opened up the flood gates:

12 ways 'Citizens United' has changed politics
Center for Public Integrity investigations illuminate political 'dark money'
By Michael Beckel
5:00 am, January 21, 2015 Updated: 5:00 am, January 21, 2015



An American flag flies in front of the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington, D.C.

J. Scott Applewhite/AP

Five years ago today, in a 5-4 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled corporations and unions could spend unlimited amounts of money to advocate for or against political candidates.

The court declared that spending by labor unions and companies — including certain types of nonprofit corporations — did “not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption” so long as it was not done in concert or coordination with a political candidate’s own campaign.

While it is still illegal for corporations and labor unions to give money directly to candidates for federal office, that ruling, known as Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, has dramatically reshaped the political landscape for federal and state elections.

Among the most significant developments: a surge of political “dark money” — secret cash that opaque nonprofit organizations funnel into U.S. elections. Such groups do not publicly disclose their donors..."

publicintegrity.org/2015/01/21/16626/12-ways-citizens-united-has-changed-politics

The ‘Citizens United’ decision and why it matters
Nonprofits or political parties?
By John Dunbaremail
6:12 pm, October 18, 2012 Updated: 5:18 pm, January 9, 2015

By now most folks know that the U.S. Supreme Court did something that changed how money can be spent in elections and by whom, but what happened and why should you care?

The Citizens United ruling, released in January 2010, tossed out the corporate and union ban on making independent expenditures and financing electioneering communications. It gave corporations and unions the green light to spend unlimited sums on ads and other political tools, calling for the election or defeat of individual candidates.

In a nutshell, the high court’s 5-4 decision said that it is OK for corporations and labor unions to spend as much as they want to convince people to vote for or against a candidate.

The decision did not affect contributions. It is still illegal for companies and labor unions to give money directly to candidates for federal office. The court said that because these funds were not being spent in coordination with a campaign, they “do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.”

So if the decision was about spending, why has so much been written about contributions? Like seven and eight-figure donations from people like casino magnate and billionaire Sheldon Adelson who, with his family, has given about $40 million to so-called “super PACs,” formed in the wake of the decision?

For that, we need to look at another court case — SpeechNow.org v. FEC. The lower-court case used the Citizens United case as precedent when it said that limits on contributions to groups that make independent expenditures are unconstitutional.

And that’s what led to the creation of the super PACs, which act as shadow political parties. They accept unlimited donations from billionaires, corporations and unions and use it to buy advertising, most of it negative.

The Supreme Court kept limits on disclosure in place, and super PACs are required to report regularly on who their donors are. The same can’t be said for “social welfare” groups and some other nonprofits, like business leagues.

These groups can function the same way as super PACs, so long as election activity is not their primary activity. But unlike the super PACs, nonprofits do not report who funds them. That’s disturbing to those who favor transparency in elections. An attempt by Congress to pass a law requiring disclosure was blocked by Republican lawmakers.

The Citizens United decision was surprising given the sensitivity regarding corporate and union money being used to influence a federal election. Congress first banned corporations from funding federal campaigns in 1907 with the Tillman Act. In 1947, the Taft-Hartley Act extended the ban to labor unions. But the laws were weak and tough to enforce.

It wasn’t until 1971 that Congress got serious and passed the Federal Election Campaign Act, which required the full reporting of campaign contributions and expenditures. It limited spending on media advertisements. But that portion of the law was ruled unconstitutional — and that actually opened the door for the Citizens United decision.

Spending is speech, and is therefore protected by the Constitution — even if the speaker is a corporation.

So far in the 2011-2012 election cycle, super PACs have spent $378 million, while non-disclosing nonprofits have spent $171 million, at times praising, but mostly badmouthing candidates, according to figures compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

The ‘Citizens United’ decision and why it matters

 

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LOL... that little blurb out of context never did get off the ground now did it? Care to discuss Trump's attitude toward women?

LOL.

How about hilary's....and how she led the team to silence the women bill raped and sexually assaulted...she didn't write books or fantasize...she helped in a criminal conspiracy....

Bill isn't running. Nor was he ever convicted of such a heinous crime.

STRAWMAN FAIL.

 

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I'm not sure if this would work, but how about each candidate has the same maximum amount of money to carry a campaign, whether it is self funded or donations. Maybe a $50 million cap. So each campaign has to decide where their money goes: travel to speech sites, commercial ads, luxury hotels, staff workers, etc.

There should be a fund and distributed evenly among the candidates.

Wrong.....I do not want any more tax money going to greedy politicians who now want us to subsidize their greed and corruption so they don't even have to fund their own campaigns...why is that such a hard concept for people to understand?

The issues of present day campaign finance can ALL be traced back to the Campaign Finance Act of 1974 which was passed by a Democrat Congress over Gerald Ford's veto. Yes that was caused by the Nixon 72 campaign abuses but as we have seen the Democrats as usual took a bad problem and made it worse.

Why isn't reform getting any traction now? Are you going to say it's all & only Democrats blocking such an endeavor?

 

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Do you know what is the worst part about these campaign finance laws? They are used by politician to punish their rivals for the same thing they do themselves. This makes it difficult for any young upstart to get anywhere because if they make a mistake they can do serious jail time. The whole thing should not be regulated.

Not Bernie. He has intro'd legislature no less than 3x to overturn Citizen's United & will make it a litmus test for any SC nominees.

 

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All memes & no substance. make a cogent argument with facts & maybe you'll come across as more than a troll with nothing to bring to the debate table.

LOL.

 

[Rustic]

All memes & no substance. make a cogent argument with facts & maybe you'll come across as more than a troll with nothing to bring to the debate table.

LOL.

Ok, Socialism has never worked in the history of the planet...

 

[Jackson]

Do you know what is the worst part about these campaign finance laws? They are used by politician to punish their rivals for the same thing they do themselves. This makes it difficult for any young upstart to get anywhere because if they make a mistake they can do serious jail time. The whole thing should not be regulated.

Not Bernie. He has intro'd legislature no less than 3x to overturn Citizen's United & will make it a litmus test for any SC nominees.

"has...will"... he can't get his colleagues to vote for such a good bill?

 

[Rustic]

LOL... that little blurb out of context never did get off the ground now did it? Care to discuss Trump's attitude toward women?

LOL.

How about hilary's....and how she led the team to silence the women bill raped and sexually assaulted...she didn't write books or fantasize...she helped in a criminal conspiracy....

Bill isn't running. Nor was he ever convicted of such a heinous crime.

STRAWMAN FAIL.

They don't call him slick willy for nothing...
Lol

 

[Theowl32]

just sayin'.

I have to agree. Now we have feces eaters like rubio owned by billionaires.

Don't forget the Clintons

With the exception here that they are not only owned by corporate cronies, but also by FUCKING COUNTRIES!!!

Your statement about Rubio is of course true. You think that Bernie who is admitted socialist is on the side of the poor?

Here, is what those types want.

I am no Rubio fan, but I am a much bigger than of his than I am of ANY fucking democrat.

 

[Rustic]

just sayin'.

I have to agree. Now we have feces eaters like rubio owned by billionaires.

Don't forget the Clintons

With the exception here that they are not only owned by corporate cronies, but also by FUCKING COUNTRIES!!!

Your statement about Rubio is of course true. You think that Bernie who is admitted socialist is on the side of the poor?

Here, is what those types want.

I am no Rubio fan, but I am a much bigger than of his than I am of ANY fucking democrat.

 

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All memes & no substance. make a cogent argument with facts & maybe you'll come across as more than a troll with nothing to bring to the debate table.

LOL.

Ok, Socialism has never worked in the history of the planet...

LOL. That's why all those citizens from 'socialist' countries are beating down the door to come here.

LOL.

another fail on your part.

 

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Do you know what is the worst part about these campaign finance laws? They are used by politician to punish their rivals for the same thing they do themselves. This makes it difficult for any young upstart to get anywhere because if they make a mistake they can do serious jail time. The whole thing should not be regulated.

Not Bernie. He has intro'd legislature no less than 3x to overturn Citizen's United & will make it a litmus test for any SC nominees.

"has...will"... he can't get his colleagues to vote for such a good bill?

You do realize, that his 'colleagues' need to come from both sides of the aisle & pretty much all of Congress are whores that are willing to sell themselves out. Do you remember in 2012 when several of the (R) candidates had a meeting with Sheldon Addelson & competed with each other as to who would bend over & grab their ankles the most to get his $$$? I do.

 

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just sayin'.

I have to agree. Now we have feces eaters like rubio owned by billionaires.

Don't forget the Clintons

With the exception here that they are not only owned by corporate cronies, but also by FUCKING COUNTRIES!!!

Your statement about Rubio is of course true. You think that Bernie who is admitted socialist is on the side of the poor?

Here, is what those types want.

I am no Rubio fan, but I am a much bigger than of his than I am of ANY fucking democrat.

Now find a verifiable link that Bernie has ever said anything close to that. Oh that's right... you cannot. But I did enjoy your futile attempt at trying to link him to that.

 

[Theowl32]

just sayin'.

I have to agree. Now we have feces eaters like rubio owned by billionaires.

Don't forget the Clintons

With the exception here that they are not only owned by corporate cronies, but also by FUCKING COUNTRIES!!!

Your statement about Rubio is of course true. You think that Bernie who is admitted socialist is on the side of the poor?

Here, is what those types want.

I am no Rubio fan, but I am a much bigger than of his than I am of ANY fucking democrat.

Now find a verifiable link that Bernie has ever said anything close to that. Oh that's right... you cannot. But I did enjoy your futile attempt at trying to link him to that.

Oh, you think he is going to say that, you stupid fuckstick?

What, the goals of the socialists are too hard for you to handle? You fucking loser. You are a fucking moron. Yeah Bernie Sanders sure cares about the fucking poor.

You fucking morons are too stupid to even try to educate.

Duuuuuuuhhhhh, Bernie never said that. Uuuuuuuhhhhh, duuuuuuuuuh, I am a stupid moron left winger. Uuuuuuuuhhhh, dirrrrrrp, I am believe in a utopia. Errrrrrr, uhhhhhh, duuuuuuhhh, steal from the rich man. Give to the poor maaaaaan.


Fucking left wing morons folks.

 

[Rustic]

All memes & no substance. make a cogent argument with facts & maybe you'll come across as more than a troll with nothing to bring to the debate table.

LOL.

Ok, Socialism has never worked in the history of the planet...

LOL. That's why all those citizens from 'socialist' countries are beating down the door to come here.

LOL.

another fail on your part.

Show me long term where socialism has worked in history?? Dictators have always risen from the ashes of socialism, all of them.

Socialism has always been a pseudo solution young naïve do gooders, Who never think long term.

 

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just sayin'.

I have to agree. Now we have feces eaters like rubio owned by billionaires.

Don't forget the Clintons

With the exception here that they are not only owned by corporate cronies, but also by FUCKING COUNTRIES!!!

Your statement about Rubio is of course true. You think that Bernie who is admitted socialist is on the side of the poor?

Here, is what those types want.

I am no Rubio fan, but I am a much bigger than of his than I am of ANY fucking democrat.

Now find a verifiable link that Bernie has ever said anything close to that. Oh that's right... you cannot. But I did enjoy your futile attempt at trying to link him to that.

Oh, you think he is going to say that, you stupid fuckstick?

What, the goals of the socialists are too hard for you to handle? You fucking loser. You are a fucking moron. Yeah Bernie Sanders sure cares about the fucking poor.

You fucking morons are too stupid to even try to educate.

Duuuuuuuhhhhh, Bernie never said that. Uuuuuuuhhhhh, duuuuuuuuuh, I am a stupid moron left winger. Uuuuuuuuhhhh, dirrrrrrp, I am believe in a utopia. Errrrrrr, uhhhhhh, duuuuuuhhh, steal from the rich man. Give to the poor maaaaaan.


Fucking left wing morons folks.

You just left all credibility at the end of your fingertips little one. Give me facts... not pulling bullshit from your tail feathers.

LOL.

 

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All memes & no substance. make a cogent argument with facts & maybe you'll come across as more than a troll with nothing to bring to the debate table.

LOL.

Ok, Socialism has never worked in the history of the planet...

LOL. That's why all those citizens from 'socialist' countries are beating down the door to come here.

LOL.

another fail on your part.

Show me long term where socialism has worked in history?? Dictators have always risen from the ashes of socialism, all of them.

Socialism has always been a pseudo solution young naïve do gooders, Who never think long term.

we are only a couple hundred years old as a nation & all those 'socialist' countries that are much older by far are still standing, deary.


and they still ain't coming here.